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April 16, 2014, 10:43:51 AM
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IMHO after cracking the banking monopoly with Bitcoin, the next most important thing to do is the energy sector:

"In a world of problems and solutions, few ideas spur both immediate hope and skepticism as the idea of free energy, and, on the brink of ecological disaster, nothing may be of greater importance to the human race.

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In March of 2014, a small group of independent engineers and developers released to the public open-source plans for a continuously running fuel-less electricity generator based on a patent by Nikola Tesla, and re-designed by inventor James Robitaille. Calling it the Quantum Energy Generator, or QEG, the portable device is supposedly capable of producing enough electricity to power a modern home, and is about the size and weight of a home gas generator.

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This means that the public now has access to the technical designs for this free-energy device, and if it works, and if it proves to be a viable option for creating electrical energy, then we may finally have the opportunity to bypass the energy monopoly and spread the technology of free energy to the world. In addition to downloading the publicly available open-source plans, people may also be able to purchase a pre-manufactured unit from an affiliated firm, so the race is now on for independent engineers and citizens to verify the efficacy of this declared revolution in energy."

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/04/14/open-source-plans-modern-tesla-free-energy-generator-released/

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April 16, 2014, 11:56:18 AM
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Many videos/articles like these have been posted up before, often they are scams or the people posting them up have no idea what they're talking about, if it was real, the media would be going ballistic like they did with Bitcoin.

Yeah, looks dodgy to me, the only real attempt I've seen to fix the world's problems is through websites like http://opensourceecology.org/ the PDF file was just filled with rants against the electricity industry and didn't really seem to contain any useful information.
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April 16, 2014, 12:03:53 PM
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p.s. We've already got it covered through carbon dioxide/sunlight absorbing bacteria ( yes it's real ) and hydrogen fuel cells.
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April 16, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
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Other 'technology' projects listed on the FixTheWorld site:

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Ancient Alchemy

Alchemical processes are designed to benefit the spiritual growth of the alchemist. Though certain alchemical products can be used to help others, they are not thought by alchemists to be appropriate for general dissemination.

GGT Biotech conducts research into ancient alchemical processes which can be used to increase human health, consciousness, and spirituality. Our current interest is Orbitally Rearranged Monatomic Elements(ORMES), a unique state of matter discovered by David Hudson of Arizona, and also called White Powder Gold and Ormus, and thought to be the same as the “Manna” of the Bible and the “Shewbread” of the Hebrews and Egyptians.

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ELECTROMAGNETIC DRIVE SYSTEM

The project is an extremely efficient motor-generator set that is a major improvement over today’s electric vehicle design. Currently, electric cars rely on massive battery banks for power. With our technology, we generate electricity on board and in real time. No plugging into an AC line. Our drive system is used in tandem with existing hub motors. These motors fit completely within the rim of the car’s wheel, and leaves the engine compartment vacant to house the motor-generator set.

Our technology will supply energy to the hub motors. A unique drive-circuit powers the pulsed capacitor electromagnetic motor and can sustain operation for 7 hours on the energy stored in just one 12 volt, 450 amp hour, deep-cycle, lead acid battery. The force of the rotor comes from simultaneously energizing two of the juxtaposed electromagnets, inside the electric motor. Once energized, the coils create very powerful magnetic fields which repel each other and drive the moveable magnet away from the stationary one. The nature of the electromagnets is such that once energy input is halted, the magnetic field dissipates and all the energy held within the coil flows retrograde into a second deep-cycle storage battery. Please note almost all the energy used to drive the rotor is returned from the coil and preserved within the second storage battery. There is very little loss from hysteresis.

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Electromagnetic Motors

Motors run solely by the effects of permanent magnets have been developed in many countries.  This revolutionary drive system utilizes an overly efficient electromagnetic motor, and combines it with a patent pending toroidal dynamo. This Motor design can be used to build an unlimited range electric vehicle and several lines of scalable generators to service the wide scope of residential and commercial electrical needs using patent pending technology.

The drive motor and dynamo combination will be capable of generating over 33kW of electricity to power purchased electric hub motors placed within the wheels of our vehicle. The motor generator set produces enough electricity to power the hub motors that drive the vehicle and enough surplus energy to fully recharge a reserve fuel cell before the main cell needs recharging.. We don’t need massive battery storage, we generate electricity as needed. There is no maximum range.

In the automotive sector, the revolutionary drive system can be sold as a component part to vehicle manufacturers.  In the home energy sector, generators will be commercially available to the public through retail outlets across the world in a range of current outputs and portability characteristics that will service personal, home and industrial applications.

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ROTOVERTER

This is a proven technology which modifies an electric motor to produce much more power than the motor’s rating, while using less power than normal. As a result, energy savings of 90% or even more are common.

In addition, the modifications can be applied to generators, producing much more electrical power from much less input power. This can make mini-hydroelectric and wind-power much more economically feasible.

Application of RotoVerter principles to both the motor and generator, and then coupling them together, has been shown to generate more electrical power than is required to run it.

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SUPERGREEN

Quantum Light Energy presents Far Infrared light and quartz crystals to heat home and water.

SuperGreen is a water heater and home heating device that uses Far Infrared light and quartz crystals, with Nano technology to generate 50% cost reduction in home heating and hot water needs.  After several years of research and in-the-world testing, several products in a range of sizes are now available.  Due to the unique qualities of Far Infrared Light this technology also softens the water and kills bacteria and fungi at the same time.  All of this for 50% less carbon footprint than any other technology available today!  Portable units offer hot water anywhere, anytime, with a simple garden hose and regular wall outlet power. They can even be used with small generators for emergency situations, RV living, etc.  Home units can be used for both hot water and any FHW home heating situation.

(Not even mentioning the flying car!)

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April 16, 2014, 12:40:11 PM
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Many videos/articles like these have been posted up before, often they are scams or the people posting them up have no idea what they're talking about, if it was real, the media would be going ballistic like they did with Bitcoin.

I disagree. The mass media (at least in the west) is controlled by a small group of people who have a vested interest in keeping news such as this away from the public.

Even with Bitcoin it took several years before they started reporting accurately about Bitcoin.

The second law of thermodynamics is a theoretical idea that does not exist in reality because in reality there is no such thing as a closed system. Eveything is connected to the quantum vacume. You cannot isolate a system from the quantum vacume. Therefore there is always a possibility of extracting energy from there.

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April 16, 2014, 12:54:54 PM
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And there will always be suckers ready to pay money for fake perpetual motion machines and similar scams.

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April 16, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
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If you actually read Tesla's original patent, it isn't for any sort of perpetual motion nonsense, it is for producing a steady electrical current from variable input power (steam).
It is just there to make the quantum generation rubbish sound more believable.
Obvious scam is obvious.

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April 16, 2014, 11:16:17 PM
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I don't think the fact that the media doesn't cover a story means it's this isn't credible.  In fact in many ways I think it is more of a badge of honor.  I've heard rumblings about this in the past but with very little or no verification.
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April 17, 2014, 11:12:59 AM
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Fuel-less electricity generator? WTF? How can electricity be generated without any fuel (gasoline, gas, sunlight or even wind)? This will turnout to be another hoax, like the time machine.
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April 17, 2014, 11:33:15 AM
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Fuel-less electricity generator? WTF? How can electricity be generated without any fuel (gasoline, gas, sunlight or even wind)? This will turnout to be another hoax, like the time machine.

You don't need fuel. You just need an energy source. Geothermal energy, for example, does not use any fuel.

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April 17, 2014, 11:56:22 AM
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You just need an energy source.

This is clearly what he meant by fuel - he mentioned wind and sunlight.

Do tell us some more about the quantum vacuum as your energy source though Grin

It is also known as "zero point energy". The energy level of space cannot be exactly zero due to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Even if it is very slightly above zero though it is still a lot of energy. This is because space is very large in comparison to matter.

Theoretical estimates give about 10^80 Joules of energy contained per cubic centimeter. We currently use about 10^19 Joules per year globally.

The main controversy is if this energy is technically usable, not whether it exists or not.

"A document released by the NGIC shows there is ongoing worldwide research into zero-point energy, particular in China, Germany, Russia and Brazil. An analyst of the DIA has indicated that research into successfully harnessing zero-point energy for energy generation purposes is a serious concern inside the intelligence community."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-point_energy

A Physics professor from Germany has written papers on how to harvest this energy.
http://www.ostfalia.de/cms/de/pws/turtur/FundE/English/

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April 17, 2014, 12:47:53 PM
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You misunderstand me. Yes, vacuum energy is well known, and I didn't ask you to prove that it exists - I asked you to tell me more about how it is used as the energy source for a machine, apparently designed by Tesla, which has somehow failed to revolutionise energy provision for the human race.

You can find that explanation in the papers by Professor Turtur from Germany whose link I posted above.

The reason such machines have failed to revolutionize energy production is not because such a machine it not possible. There have indeed been many working machines built by many inventors over the past 100 years. The reason they have failed to appear on a large scale is that the governments and energy companines have actively surpressed them to maintain their power.

The main method in the USA has been to seize and gag such patents under a National Security Order. Currently there are about 5000 secrecy orders in effect. You can see a list of the number of secrecy orders orders here:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

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In addition, the notion that utilising the zero point as an energy source is "free" energy is misleading.

It is not misleading because it is very economical to use this energy source as you don't have running costs for fuel anymore, only for the devices, which are relatively simple. Also they can be used anywhere and there no negative side effects such as pollution. The estimated cost is 0.1 cent per kWh, which is about 1% of the usual price and thus practically free.

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The reason such machines have failed to revolutionize energy production is not because such a machine it not possible. There have indeed been many working machines built by many inventors over the past 100 years. The reason they have failed to appear on a large scale is that the governments and energy companines have actively surpressed them to maintain their power.

Bollocks.
All it would take is for one person to build it, anywhere in the world, and demonstrate it working. It would go viral on the internet and be unblockable.
The machines don't exist because they don't work.
They are on the same scale of unbelief as unicorns, magical healing crystals and personal angels.

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The reason such machines have failed to revolutionize energy production is not because such a machine it not possible. There have indeed been many working machines built by many inventors over the past 100 years. The reason they have failed to appear on a large scale is that the governments and energy companines have actively surpressed them to maintain their power.

Bollocks.
All it would take is for one person to build it, anywhere in the world, and demonstrate it working. It would go viral on the internet and be unblockable.
The machines don't exist because they don't work.
They are on the same scale of unbelief as unicorns, magical healing crystals and personal angels.

This is exactly what is starting to happen now.
People did not have enough awareness and the technological means until now to "open source" the plans.

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April 17, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
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What do you guys think of http://www.free-energy-info.com/ ?

There are a few dozens of PDFs, with 100+ designs and patents.

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April 17, 2014, 10:57:15 PM
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I wonder how long it will take for the truism that there is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine be as widely known as that the Earth is not flat or that the stars don't revolve around it.

You don't need to go into the details of second law of thermodynamics to see this, it's obvious simply from the principle of energy conservation.
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What do you guys think of http://www.free-energy-info.com/ ?

I think their tinfoil-hattedness is neatly summed up by these gems:
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Without your knowledge, you were stolen from your parents at birth and automatically became the judicial property
of a commercial company pretending to be your government.
[...]
In order to do this, they have to persuade the human to enter into a contract with them, agreeing to pay them
money, essentially, for nothing in return. Their main trick is creating a fictitious legal identity using the name of the
human. This is done by creating a “Birth Certificate” in the same name.
[...]
In spite of their mistake, the fictitious legal “person” produced by creating the Birth Certificate document, the
human who has the same first and last names as those recorded on the birth certificate, has no actual link to that
document unless he can be tricked into agreeing to be linked to it.
[...]
Deception of the Name: If you go to a Court (which is a Corporate place of Business) as the Accused, you will
be asked to confirm your Name, quoting the full name shown on your birth certificate, which is the LEGAL
PERSONALITY. Titles such as Mr, Dr, Lord, PC, QC, or whatever are not asked for as they are not required. The
“Accused” is actually the LEGAL PERSONALITY which is the name on the birth certificate, so when they ask for
the person’s NAME, they are talking to the LEGAL PERSONALITY and not the human. This is because a human
cannot exist in the legal world - only pieces of paper can, and that is something which they are very careful not to
tell you.
 
This is a really key issue. Natural Law and Common Law are the only laws which apply to humans and they deal
only with harming other people or causing them loss, and outside of those restrictions, a human has free and
unlimited entitlement to do anything he chooses which complies with these principles. As opposed to this, Acts of
Parliament, “Statutes” and Statutory Instruments “Contracts” do not apply to the human but only to the piece of
paper which is the LEGAL PERSONALITY and which has no reality. As the legal fiction of the LEGAL
PERSONALITY was created by the company called “the United Kingdom Corporation”, it is that company which
gets to say what the rights and duties are for that piece of paper.
[...]
At this time, America does not have a government because “The UNITED STATES” is a commercial company.
The term “United States” means a Federal corporation. The US President is the President of a commercial
corporation and American citizens are, in effect, the employees of that Corporation. This present situation was
sneaked in by the covert actions of the Americans who organised and ran the civil war with the intention of taking
lands and assets from people who lived in the South. Most people imagine that, say, Virginia, is a part of the
American nation under the American government. However, this is not true as every one of the “States” is
actually set up as a commercial, for-profit, company, under the parent company “The United States of America”.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

One thing that is amusing is that they have a section for 'Doubtful Devices'. Things so silly even they can't stomach them.

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What do you guys think of http://www.free-energy-info.com/ ?

I think their tinfoil-hattedness is neatly summed up by these gems:
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Without your knowledge, you were stolen from your parents at birth and automatically became the judicial property
of a commercial company pretending to be your government.
[...]
In order to do this, they have to persuade the human to enter into a contract with them, agreeing to pay them
money, essentially, for nothing in return. Their main trick is creating a fictitious legal identity using the name of the
human. This is done by creating a “Birth Certificate” in the same name.
[...]
In spite of their mistake, the fictitious legal “person” produced by creating the Birth Certificate document, the
human who has the same first and last names as those recorded on the birth certificate, has no actual link to that
document unless he can be tricked into agreeing to be linked to it.
[...]
Deception of the Name: If you go to a Court (which is a Corporate place of Business) as the Accused, you will
be asked to confirm your Name, quoting the full name shown on your birth certificate, which is the LEGAL
PERSONALITY. Titles such as Mr, Dr, Lord, PC, QC, or whatever are not asked for as they are not required. The
“Accused” is actually the LEGAL PERSONALITY which is the name on the birth certificate, so when they ask for
the person’s NAME, they are talking to the LEGAL PERSONALITY and not the human. This is because a human
cannot exist in the legal world - only pieces of paper can, and that is something which they are very careful not to
tell you.
 
This is a really key issue. Natural Law and Common Law are the only laws which apply to humans and they deal
only with harming other people or causing them loss, and outside of those restrictions, a human has free and
unlimited entitlement to do anything he chooses which complies with these principles. As opposed to this, Acts of
Parliament, “Statutes” and Statutory Instruments “Contracts” do not apply to the human but only to the piece of
paper which is the LEGAL PERSONALITY and which has no reality. As the legal fiction of the LEGAL
PERSONALITY was created by the company called “the United Kingdom Corporation”, it is that company which
gets to say what the rights and duties are for that piece of paper.
[...]
At this time, America does not have a government because “The UNITED STATES” is a commercial company.
The term “United States” means a Federal corporation. The US President is the President of a commercial
corporation and American citizens are, in effect, the employees of that Corporation. This present situation was
sneaked in by the covert actions of the Americans who organised and ran the civil war with the intention of taking
lands and assets from people who lived in the South. Most people imagine that, say, Virginia, is a part of the
American nation under the American government. However, this is not true as every one of the “States” is
actually set up as a commercial, for-profit, company, under the parent company “The United States of America”.

And so on, and so on, and so on.

One thing that is amusing is that they have a section for 'Doubtful Devices'. Things so silly even they can't stomach them.
I don't care about the obscure Anglo-centric political views of the site owners. I'm asking about the devices designed around the world in the present and past, by people non-associated at all with politics, collected on those PDFs.

I've read the PDFs and rarely found something plausible. tbh, I don't know what to think ...

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April 18, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
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One questions for those who believe that all these devices work.

Your government can't run a website correctly.
Oil firms can't operate drilling platforms without the risks of massive oil leaks.
Car companies can't build cars that don't have to be recalled for faulty brakes.

Yet somehow they can get together and suppress, with 100% effectiveness, all of these dozens of working devices, so perfectly that no one has even seen the successful output.
Does that really seem plausible?

All it would take is for one person to build it, anywhere in the world, and demonstrate it working. It would go viral on the internet and be unblockable.

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One questions for those who believe that all these devices work.

Your government can't run a website correctly.
Oil firms can't operate drilling platforms without the risks of massive oil leaks.
Car companies can't build cars that don't have to be recalled for faulty brakes.

Yet somehow they can get together and suppress, with 100% effectiveness, all of these dozens of working devices, so perfectly that no one has even seen the successful output.
Does that really seem plausible?

All it would take is for one person to build it, anywhere in the world, and demonstrate it working. It would go viral on the internet and be unblockable.

The government can be very ineffective at things of little importance to its survival such as a health care website, but in things regardings secrecy, control and national security they can be very effective.

The way control works is that you do not need to control everybody 100%. All they needed to do was implant the idea that such a machine is impossible and the population does the rest, by controlling each other. This results in people simply by not believing it when somebody actually presents such a device.

If an inventor actually managed to present such a device convincingly despite this, the next problem for the inventor was to not succumb to bribery and not die afterwards, let alone bring it into mass production.

If you look on Youtube you see plenty of such demonstrations of working devices. So why don't they go viral? Because people are so skeptical now that a simple demonstration is not enough. Many people will probably refuse to believe it's true until it's mass-produced.

The mistake many inventors made in the past, was to keep their plans secret (or patent them). This is understandable from the viewpoint of the inventor because he wants to profit from his work. Unfortunately this makes his discovery very easy to cover up. It's only now with the technological means (Internet) to spread such ideas easily and the awareness that such a discovery needs to given freely to the world, that we have a chance of avoiding this problem.

So now such a device is hopefully going viral on the Internet (see "QEG" in my original post) now that the plans have been open-sourced.

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I was hoping to see actual plans for this "QEG". Unfortunately the linked PDF contains no plans, just a bunch of new-age pseudoscience. It even contains a section which explains how bumblebees can fly (you remember the old, disproven myth that bumblebees break the laws of physics  Roll Eyes)

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Next to the larynx in the bumblebees throat, there is a tiny hollow tube that acts as a resonance cavity that accumulates frequency. When the bee starts beating its wings, it does this to accumulate frequency which bounces back and forth in the resonator cavity until it reaches the same frequency of the earth, known as the Schumann frequency.

Once the bee reaches the same frequency as its surroundings it evens out into what is known as zero point. When anything reaches zero point you can then change the energy. The bee is now free from the gravitational influence around it, creates its own little magnetic bubble and hovers around.

"accumulating frequency", "evens out into zero-point" haha great stuff  Cheesy Cheesy
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Any bitcoiners tried this and got a working version?

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One questions for those who believe that all these devices work.

Your government can't run a website correctly.
Oil firms can't operate drilling platforms without the risks of massive oil leaks.
Car companies can't build cars that don't have to be recalled for faulty brakes.

Yet somehow they can get together and suppress, with 100% effectiveness, all of these dozens of working devices, so perfectly that no one has even seen the successful output.
Does that really seem plausible?

All it would take is for one person to build it, anywhere in the world, and demonstrate it working. It would go viral on the internet and be unblockable.

The government can be very ineffective at things of little importance to its survival such as a health care website, but in things regardings secrecy, control and national security they can be very effective.

Counterargument: Snowden.

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April 20, 2014, 04:28:32 AM
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Yeah, the nutters out there like to pretend that the American government and others are these 'all powerful' entities that are completely unstoppable and you need to buy their shit ( surprise surprise ) in order to escape it, but really these people are human beings as well and as we've seen they can be pretty incompetent at times.
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You can find that explanation in the papers by Professor Turtur from Germany whose link I posted above.

Could you explain them in your own words?

The reason such machines have failed to revolutionize energy production is not because such a machine it not possible. There have indeed been many working machines built by many inventors over the past 100 years. The reason they have failed to appear on a large scale is that the governments and energy companines have actively surpressed them to maintain their power.

Uh huh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories#Suppression_of_technologies

It is not misleading because it is very economical to use this energy source.

Then call it "cheap" - this is not just a semantic issue, "free" means something very specific in thermodynamic terms.

I think so
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In addition, the notion that utilising the zero point as an energy source is "free" energy is misleading.

It is not misleading because it is very economical to use this energy source as you don't have running costs for fuel anymore, only for the devices, which are relatively simple. Also they can be used anywhere and there no negative side effects such as pollution. The estimated cost is 0.1 cent per kWh, which is about 1% of the usual price and thus practically free.
Let us say for the sake of argument that you are right, the  big oil/gas and car companies have suppressed all the little inventors that made these machines, which were NOT based on Tesla designs.

Well, we have 3d printers now.  So we (I) don't need anyone telling me about zero point and quantum foam and active invention suppression.  I can download designs and make things.  Yes with some materials limitations.

Okay, how about it?  Let's have those designs.  Public domain those bad boys.  We ready.
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I was hoping to see actual plans for this "QEG". Unfortunately the linked PDF contains no plans, just a bunch of new-age pseudoscience. It even contains a section which explains how bumblebees can fly (you remember the old, disproven myth that bumblebees break the laws of physics  Roll Eyes)

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Next to the larynx in the bumblebees throat, there is a tiny hollow tube that acts as a resonance cavity that accumulates frequency. When the bee starts beating its wings, it does this to accumulate frequency which bounces back and forth in the resonator cavity until it reaches the same frequency of the earth, known as the Schumann frequency. ....

"accumulating frequency", "evens out into zero-point" haha great stuff  Cheesy Cheesy

Hey, that cool.  So I'm going to make an automatic bumblebee dissection robot, and extract about 400 tiny hollow tubes that act as resonance cavities per day.  Three years, four at the max, I'll have enough to levitate. 

Wait....If I make a couple of these AutoBumDisRobs, I can be in outer space in a year.

So....what's the resonate frequency of Mars?
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In addition, the notion that utilising the zero point as an energy source is "free" energy is misleading.

It is not misleading because it is very economical to use this energy source as you don't have running costs for fuel anymore, only for the devices, which are relatively simple. Also they can be used anywhere and there no negative side effects such as pollution. The estimated cost is 0.1 cent per kWh, which is about 1% of the usual price and thus practically free.
Let us say for the sake of argument that you are right, the  big oil/gas and car companies have suppressed all the little inventors that made these machines, which were NOT based on Tesla designs.

Well, we have 3d printers now.  So we (I) don't need anyone telling me about zero point and quantum foam and active invention suppression.  I can download designs and make things.  Yes with some materials limitations.

Okay, how about it?  Let's have those designs.  Public domain those bad boys.  We ready.
Unfortunately the OP article and site (which I didn't bother to read much into), is peppered with pseudo-scientific and spiritual bullshit. I should haven't even bothered to post that link in the middle of such a dumb thread. But since you requested designs, here are the links, the bad boys on public domain. Now, more direct, so that there's no way to deflect or distract with political or sociological nonsense.  

Am I claiming they work? No, I am not. But I also don't buy the meme "oh it is impossible to suppress the little inventors". Even if 99% are failed designs and only a few work, you underestimate the motivation to suppress them, e.g. to protect profits or the petrodollar status-quo. A mix of ridicule (as this thread illustrates) and some "action" upon the inventors, would work well.

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January 18, 2015, 07:57:49 AM
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what do you think about this instead?
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Free energy is social term, not techincal or economic. Free energy means energy source free from monopolists.. independent energy sources.. it does not mean ecological or clean..

Problem with that energy sources is that selfeducated inovators is not understanded well by scientists, so scientists call them crackpots.. which is IMO very arrogant. Thats why i dont like that so called scientists with lack of vision..

btw, nice site with lot of resources is rexresearch.com. But, beware, documents are not complete, and there is about 90% of useless stuff, so it need to be filtered..
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In addition, the notion that utilising the zero point as an energy source is "free" energy is misleading.

It is not misleading because it is very economical to use this energy source as you don't have running costs for fuel anymore, only for the devices, which are relatively simple. Also they can be used anywhere and there no negative side effects such as pollution. The estimated cost is 0.1 cent per kWh, which is about 1% of the usual price and thus practically free.

First, Tesla was a hard line pragmatic inventor.  He did not design and patent perpetual motion machines. 

Second, nobody is suppressing knowledge of magical free energy inventions.

Third, useful work is performed by machines deriving power from a local environment where there is a difference in energy between two locations.    The random and spontaenous nature of quantum effects does not lead to any method to concentrate them in one point as opposed to another.
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How can anything with a mass, no matter how small, have a perpetual movement?



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How can anything with a mass, no matter how small, have a perpetual movement?





An object in motion remains in motion. 
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hopefully this can alleviate the coming fuel crisis

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What do you guys think of http://www.free-energy-info.com/ ?

There are a few dozens of PDFs, with 100+ designs and patents.
Just pick an invention that dosent cost to much to build, one of those you find most promising and likely to work & produce such devise, if it works great then you can produce energy "free" or at least much cheaper than the current marketprice, if it dosent work then you havent spend to much on it & you could try another thing instead, you only need one invention to work to make a difference...

There is no doubt that energy can be produced in a more environmentally friendly way & much cheper then what the electric companys/cartells currently charge the avg joe around the world for it. The question is not if but rather how much cheeper it can be produced & distrubuted to people.

What does the electric companys & the government charge you for the electricity where you live ? 0.05$/kwh...0.10$/kwh...0.15$/kwh...0.20$/kwh.... if they do charge you 0.05$/kwh or more including taxes why do they charge you such a high premium(500%-2000%+ of the price it could be produced for) for it ?

Can electricity be produced for:
...0.01$/kwh.....  Yes certainly, for example wind power could probably get you around this level or a cheep solar panel in the optimal angle towards the sun would get you electricity at this cost even at 60 degree latitude seen over its lifetime & wave power can get you even lower cost.
...0.005$/kwh..... No problem either, in Sweden for example the avg production price for the water power from water dams is at about 0.0035$/kwh
...0.001$/kwh..... Probably
...0.0001$/kwh.... Maby
...0.00001$/kwh.... Impossible or not, well who knows ? If any of the "free energy" devises works we are probably here or lower i guess.

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How can anything with a mass, no matter how small, have a perpetual movement?





An object in motion remains in motion. 


Where in the universe is that possible? Is the vacuum of space truly a void with nothing in it?  (my reply was in perpetual motion in my head until it slowed down, that is why I am asking the follow up question now...)

Not directly related but interesting read:
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/jan/22/structured-photons-slow-down-in-a-vacuum



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Hello people :

Was searching new info about RV replications & hit your forum , I am  :Hector: Perez-Torres  inventor of the RV  Rotoverter
its workings are simple and its designed to be a low energy waste & usage primemover to GENERATORS alike QEG , & Others
will post a new topic on it ...

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Hello people :

Was searching new info about RV replications & hit your forum , I am  :Hector: Perez-Torres  inventor of the RV  Rotoverter
its workings are simple and its designed to be a low energy waste & usage primemover to GENERATORS alike QEG , & Others
will post a new topic on it ...

Thanks  Cool   


Do you have a website Hector?


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How can anything with a mass, no matter how small, have a perpetual movement?





Are you claiming that atomic particles have no mass?

Or are you claiming that protons, neutrons and electrons (and beyond) are not in a state of perpetual motion?   Huh Huh

Is it not amazing? That in the sub-micro world of the atom, quantum physics requires the perpetual motion of particles with both spin and orbital motions.
 
 Yet in the macro world, mainstream science is based upon the law that a perpetual motion machine is absolutely impossible!

 This is the embarrassing state of today's science...
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This would be one of the biggest benefits to humanity. Glad this was bumped, as I've never heard of it before, and it sure as hell is not going to hit any mainstream news. So it should always be bumped.
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Simple electric motors are rather simple for anyone to build, especially now that wire and iron and milling machines are in abundance. With a little more difficulty, a person can build a gasoline engine, as well. Therefore, perpetual motion, or overunity, or tapping the galactic core energy, or whatever you want to call it, should be relatively easy for anyone to build once the information is out there. But it isn't, or we would have it all over the place by now.

This leads one to think that the whole free energy thing is a scam.

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Renewable energy is also free.The important point is free base load energy generator.There is a huge difference.
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IMHO after cracking the banking monopoly with Bitcoin, the next most important thing to do is the energy sector:

"In a world of problems and solutions, few ideas spur both immediate hope and skepticism as the idea of free energy, and, on the brink of ecological disaster, nothing may be of greater importance to the human race.

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In March of 2014, a small group of independent engineers and developers released to the public open-source plans for a continuously running fuel-less electricity generator based on a patent by Nikola Tesla, and re-designed by inventor James Robitaille. Calling it the Quantum Energy Generator, or QEG, the portable device is supposedly capable of producing enough electricity to power a modern home, and is about the size and weight of a home gas generator.

...

This means that the public now has access to the technical designs for this free-energy device, and if it works, and if it proves to be a viable option for creating electrical energy, then we may finally have the opportunity to bypass the energy monopoly and spread the technology of free energy to the world. In addition to downloading the publicly available open-source plans, people may also be able to purchase a pre-manufactured unit from an affiliated firm, so the race is now on for independent engineers and citizens to verify the efficacy of this declared revolution in energy."

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2014/04/14/open-source-plans-modern-tesla-free-energy-generator-released/

I think it's a scam. Where drawings and model running generator? Show something. Only words.
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September 26, 2016, 10:08:30 PM
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Essentially, a river is perpetual motion. It keeps on flowing even though untold numbers of gallons flow doen it. If you add a penstock and a turbine - even a simple one - you have something you can hook a generator to for producing electrical energy.

There are perpetual motion sources all over the place. After all, it will rain again sometime. Solar is perpetual because daylight comes back again tomorrow.

All this secret perpetual energy stuff is probably set up by the power companies to keep naive people looking in the wrong place.

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You misunderstand me. Yes, vacuum energy is well known, and I didn't ask you to prove that it exists - I asked you to tell me more about how it is used as the energy source for a machine, apparently designed by Tesla, which has somehow failed to revolutionise energy provision for the human race.

You can find that explanation in the papers by Professor Turtur from Germany whose link I posted above.

The reason such machines have failed to revolutionize energy production is not because such a machine it not possible. There have indeed been many working machines built by many inventors over the past 100 years. The reason they have failed to appear on a large scale is that the governments and energy companines have actively surpressed them to maintain their power.

The main method in the USA has been to seize and gag such patents under a National Security Order. Currently there are about 5000 secrecy orders in effect. You can see a list of the number of secrecy orders orders here:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html

The seizing of patents is done for national security.  These are concepts which are deemed to have (usually) a miiltary significance.  A new rocket motor for small missiles would be an example.

But I am comfortable that if it is worth knowing about, Wikileaks will have it.

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I don't understand - why is it needed to construct generators and other stuff, if you can buy it? It's boring, affords a lot of money and takes much time.

Excellent question.

Because it does not work.
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as soon as i read the first post whre they called it 'quantum' i instantly knew it was fake
too many people do not understand what quantum really is. and so treat it as mystical energy and stuff(which its not)
sorry guys quantum is just a buzzword people use to sould techno savvi but without revealing the truth

putting it short.
quantum computers is not some other transdimensional void where you can meet a doppleganger of yourself that made a slightly diffrent choice in life that lead to a diffrent path.

its not about alternative realities
quantum computers super position is just instead of binary of 0 1
where 0 is 0 volts of electric and 1 is 1 volt of electric
a qubit is simple
0v 0.33v 0.66v and 1v
thus mor than 2 options.
its then programmed where those extra options can mean other things.
eg 0v      = off
eg 0.33v = off and on
eg 0.66v = on and off
eg 1v      = on
its not alternative universe' dimension'. but instead its 2s to 3d (square to cube) width/height to width height/depth
for of dimension

there is nothing special about it
its like starting with a language of math of 10 characters. and expanding it to alphanumerics of 36 characters
basically just getting out the limited dimension of just yes and no/true or false/on or off

so thats it.
quantum energy is just buzzwords.
like throwing blockchain infront of anything like a 'blockchain coffee' thats simply unfiltered coffee that contains bits of coffee bean in it.

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November 13, 2019, 05:56:00 AM
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quantum energy is just buzzwords.
like throwing blockchain infront of anything like a 'blockchain coffee' thats simply unfiltered coffee that contains bits of coffee bean in it.

Finally I've found a thread where I agree with you!
Yes, people do throw around the word quantum just as they do blockchain, to try to look cool and futuristic, and to try to mislead people into thinking they genuinely have something of merit.

'Quantum energy' is more accurately termed 'energy'. Or in this instance 'nonsense'.
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called White Powder Gold and Ormus
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as soon as i read the first post whre they called it 'quantum' i instantly knew it was fake
too many people do not understand what quantum really is. and so treat it as mystical energy and stuff(which its not).....

Wait, you mean when my Tesla Cybertruck comes in, it won't have a magical Tesla quantum engine?
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