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April 17, 2014, 05:55:33 AM
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Only 3% of the US dollar is in tangible form (it's claimed) - so 97% of this currency is "fake" (i.e. just 0' and 1's in banking computers)

Also, ask them if they think software is fake, since it's an intangible asset.

If they says no, ask why not and go from there ...
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April 17, 2014, 08:26:15 AM
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Those who doesnt believe in bitcoin should firstly gather enough information about it and only then make implication about it if it's good or bad with arguments. And i think they couldnt prove that it's bad..
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April 17, 2014, 08:56:46 AM
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Usually its a lot easier if u send them a few and tell them how to change it to cash

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April 17, 2014, 01:45:58 PM
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You can show the transaction history from your bank account...then they will see how baller you are...or are not haha. Not advised if you have overdraft fees lol

More like not a baller xD

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April 17, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
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Ultimately, I think the hardest thing for older generations to wrap their heads around is the fact that you can't actually put your hands on a  physical item (unless it has been moved to a physical coin or card).
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April 17, 2014, 04:39:26 PM
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It is kind of interesting that such a big deal is made of the "tangibility" of bitcoin. How tangible are credit card funds? Can you physically manifest the credit limit on a $50,000 Chase card? No. But you can go out and buy $50,000 worth of stuff with it just the same.

Did this guy stop believing in stock the day they stopped issuing paper stock certificates?
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April 17, 2014, 04:40:03 PM
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What is the best way to explain that bitcoin isnt "fake" or "imaginary" to one who is ignorant about bitcoin and very close-minded? Yes I know it is sort of "imaginary", but there has to be some argument for it.

Simple.  I open my blockchain app, send some BTC to my bitpay address, and then show the other person the text message I receive seconds later indicating the amount of USD credited to my bank account.  That usually grabs their attention.

So you're willing to pay fees just to demonstrate someone that Bitcoin isn't fake?

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April 17, 2014, 04:41:55 PM
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Show a transaction with which you bought something physical..

Or sell a small part of BTC and show them the USD / EUR/ whatever you earned and they'll see it's "real" Cheesy

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April 17, 2014, 04:42:20 PM
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What is the best way to explain that bitcoin isnt "fake" or "imaginary" to one who is ignorant about bitcoin and very close-minded? Yes I know it is sort of "imaginary", but there has to be some argument for it.

Simple.  I open my blockchain app, send some BTC to my bitpay address, and then show the other person the text message I receive seconds later indicating the amount of USD credited to my bank account.  That usually grabs their attention.

So you're willing to pay fees just to demonstrate someone that Bitcoin isn't fake?

The fees are extremely low. If you actually care about them just for the sake of demonstration, you are extremely greedy and selfish.
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April 17, 2014, 05:50:09 PM
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What is the best way to explain that bitcoin isnt "fake" or "imaginary" to one who is ignorant about bitcoin and very close-minded? Yes I know it is sort of "imaginary", but there has to be some argument for it.

Simple.  I open my blockchain app, send some BTC to my bitpay address, and then show the other person the text message I receive seconds later indicating the amount of USD credited to my bank account.  That usually grabs their attention.

So you're willing to pay fees just to demonstrate someone that Bitcoin isn't fake?

The fees are extremely low. If you actually care about them just for the sake of demonstration, you are extremely greedy and selfish.

If I were to send, for example, $1 in BTC to my BitPay address, the fees would be less than the money you spend on the amount of fuel used to start your car in the morning.
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April 17, 2014, 09:24:31 PM
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What is the best way to explain that bitcoin isnt "fake" or "imaginary" to one who is ignorant about bitcoin and very close-minded? Yes I know it is sort of "imaginary", but there has to be some argument for it.
As others have said, many things of real value are imaginary. (Although "virtual" might be a better word.)

Bitcoins are valuable for the same reasons that gold is valuable: both are rare, difficult to forge, and enable trade. Depending on how ignorant the person is, you might need to explain how the block-chain acts as a public ledger, recording ownership; some people think of coins as magic numbers and don't understand that the ledger saying who owns what is crucial. It's no more imaginary than a bank account.

Then explain how anyone can update the ledger, but only by following a protocol using digital signatures, making it impossible to cheat and spend other people's coins. The really clever bit is in how two valid but conflicting updates get reconciled, but frankly that's so esoteric you may not need to mention it unless they ask.

Then go back to how there is value in trade. If you bake 10 loaves of bread, you've created some value, but they'll go stale before you can eat them all, so you create more value if you sell some of them. So markets help create value. The internet is a marketplace par excellence, but it needs a currency which is global, efficient, open, and free. Credit cards don't quite hack it. You might want to explain about "permissionless innovation" if you think they might be receptive to it, and how other protocols can be layered on top of bitcoin's definition of ownership much like HTTP is a layer on top of TCP/IP. Currency is merely the first application.

Ultimately the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The fact that bitcoin still hasn't crashed, despite all the recent bad PR, shows that a lot of people believe it has enduring value.

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April 17, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
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Open any exchange site, show them that there's a value?

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April 17, 2014, 11:34:46 PM
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Best way to explain bitcoin isnt "fake"?
People have spent great amounts of time and effort in order to steal BTC;
No one would want to steal "fake money" so it must be real.

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April 17, 2014, 11:55:11 PM
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Where do u live? Just find some bar, or store that accepts it and pay with it. Just like u would do with fake $ on ur visa or mastercard Cheesy

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April 18, 2014, 12:04:39 AM
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April 18, 2014, 12:12:53 AM
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April 18, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
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I think the best way is to send them Satoshi's white paper; let them learn for themselves from the Words of the Creator Wink
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April 18, 2014, 12:23:44 AM
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Sharing this around will probably help.



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April 18, 2014, 03:53:11 AM
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It is kind of interesting that such a big deal is made of the "tangibility" of bitcoin. How tangible are credit card funds? Can you physically manifest the credit limit on a $50,000 Chase card? No. But you can go out and buy $50,000 worth of stuff with it just the same.

Did this guy stop believing in stock the day they stopped issuing paper stock certificates?

I am too young to remember the start of credit cards...not sure if it was before I was born...but I'm sure there was the same reluctance in the first years of their inception also
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April 18, 2014, 03:54:26 AM
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I think the best way is to send them Satoshi's white paper; let them learn for themselves from the Words of the Creator Wink

You have to be pretty intelligent to understand that white paper...it would be gibberish for a lot of people and probably scare them away from bitcoin even more...

The moment they see diagrams with "hash" and stuff like that...it would be like trying to read wing dings for most
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