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April 19, 2014, 04:13:00 AM
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Dear all,

I've read recent articles pointing that linguistically that Nick Szabo is likely Satoshi who either singly created the original Bitcoin whitepaper or had some assistance.  Apparently, this is his website and this is his blog.  The email listed prominently is nszabo@law.gwu.edu in those places.  However, I cannot find Nick Szabo at George Washington University.  I found a couple of other Szabos.  I could not find any Szabo Econ Professor here, or elsewhere.

So this naturally leads me to a couple of questions.

1. What does Nick Szabo actually look like?  All the articles that reference him somehow lack a picture of him.  This is unusual because universities very often post public pictures of their professors.

2. How do we know that Szabo actually worked at George Washington University or was ever an Econ Professor there?  An email address is not absolute proof.

3. How do we know that Nick Szabo or Nicholas Szabo is his real name?  I have seen proof from his Wikipedia page that Nicholas was ever confirmed anywhere.

4. Where is Nick Szabo now?  He hasn't posted since November 2013 and this was before the first string of articles around December 2013 came out suggesting that he was Satoshi.

Any help would be appreciated.


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April 19, 2014, 04:28:54 AM
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whats the response from that email id  ?  bounced , no reply

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April 19, 2014, 04:33:51 AM
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I'm pretty sure Ronald Reagan wouldn't create Bitcoin. Therefor, someone with a WWRD wristband would probably not create Bitcoin.
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April 19, 2014, 05:23:30 AM
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Who is Satoshi Nakamato? ==> Who is Nick Szabo? ==> Who is ___ ?

How far are you prepared to go down that rabbit hole? I think a common level of protection is 7 abstraction layers of proxies. Good luck Alice.

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April 19, 2014, 05:35:06 AM
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This is the official website of Nick Szabo. Don't know whether it is updated regularly or not.

http://szabo.best.vwh.net/

And this is his blog:

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com
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April 19, 2014, 11:24:15 AM
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Anybody can edit an article on blogger after the fact to make it look like it was prophetic, but reading this, I can't think how anybody can't make the connection between bit gold and bitcoin. 

http://unenumerated.blogspot.kr/2005/12/bit-gold.html


Bit gold by NICK SZABO

A long time ago I hit upon the idea of bit gold. The problem, in a nutshell, is that our money currently depends on trust in a third party for its value. As many inflationary and hyperinflationary episodes during the 20th century demonstrated, this is not an ideal state of affairs. Similarly, private bank note issue, while it had various advantages as well as disadvantages, similarly depended on a trusted third party.

Precious metals and collectibles have an unforgeable scarcity due to the costliness of their creation. This once provided money the value of which was largely independent of any trusted third party. Precious metals have problems, however. It's too costly to assay metals repeatedly for common transactions. Thus a trusted third party (usually associated with a tax collector who accepted the coins as payment) was invoked to stamp a standard amount of the metal into a coin. Transporting large values of metal can be a rather insecure affair, as the British found when transporting gold across a U-boat infested Atlantic to Canada during World War I to support their gold standard. What's worse, you can't pay online with metal.

Thus, it would be very nice if there were a protocol whereby unforgeably costly bits could be created online with minimal dependence on trusted third parties, and then securely stored, transferred, and assayed with similar minimal trust. Bit gold.

My proposal for bit gold is based on computing a string of bits from a string of challenge bits, using functions called variously "client puzzle function," "proof of work function," or "secure benchmark function.". The resulting string of bits is the proof of work. Where a one-way function is prohibitively difficult to compute backwards, a secure benchmark function ideally comes with a specific cost, measured in compute cycles, to compute backwards.

Here are the main steps of the bit gold system that I envision:

(1) A public string of bits, the "challenge string," is created (see step 5).

(2) Alice on her computer generates the proof of work string from the challenge bits using a benchmark function.

(3) The proof of work is securely timestamped. This should work in a distributed fashion, with several different timestamp services so that no particular timestamp service need be substantially relied on.

(4) Alice adds the challenge string and the timestamped proof of work string to a distributed property title registryfor bit gold. Here, too, no single server is substantially relied on to properly operate the registry.

(5) The last-created string of bit gold provides the challenge bits for the next-created string.

(6) To verify that Alice is the owner of a particular string of bit gold, Bob checks the unforgeable chain of title in the bit gold title registry.

(7) To assay the value of a string of bit gold, Bob checks and verifies the challenge bits, the proof of work string, and the timestamp.

Note that Alice's control over her bit gold does not depend on her sole possession of the bits, but rather on her lead position in the unforgeable chain of title (chain of digital signatures) in the title registry.

All of this can be automated by software. The main limits to the security of the scheme are how well trust can be distributed in steps (3) and (4), and the problem of machine architecture which will be discussed below.

Hal Finney has implemented a variant of bit gold called RPOW (Reusable Proofs of Work). This relies on publishing the computer code for the "mint," which runs on a remote tamper-evident computer. The purchaser of of bit gold can then use remote attestation, which Finney calls the transparent server technique, to verify that a particular number of cycles were actually performed.

The main problem with all these schemes is that proof of work schemes depend on computer architecture, not just an abstract mathematics based on an abstract "compute cycle." (I wrote about this obscurely several years ago.) Thus, it might be possible to be a very low cost producer (by several orders of magnitude) and swamp the market with bit gold. However, since bit gold is timestamped, the time created as well as the mathematical difficulty of the work can be automatically proven. From this, it can usually be inferred what the cost of producing during that time period was.

Unlike fungible atoms of gold, but as with collector's items, a large supply during a given time period will drive down the value of those particular items. In this respect "bit gold" acts more like collector's items than like gold. However, the match between this ex post market and the auction determining the initial value might create a very substantial profit for the "bit gold miner" who invents and deploys an optimized computer architecture.

Thus, bit gold will not be fungible based on a simple function of, for example, the length of the string. Instead, to create fungible units dealers will have to combine different-valued pieces of bit gold into larger units of approximately equal value. This is analogous to what many commodity dealers do today to make commodity markets possible. Trust is still distributed because the estimated values of such bundles can be independently verified by many other parties in a largely or entirely automated fashion.

In summary, all money mankind has ever used has been insecure in one way or another. This insecurity has been manifested in a wide variety of ways, from counterfeiting to theft, but the most pernicious of which has probably been inflation. Bit gold may provide us with a money of unprecedented security from these dangers. The potential for initially hidden supply gluts due to hidden innovations in machine architecture is a potential flaw in bit gold, or at least an imperfection which the initial auctions and ex post exchanges of bit gold will have to address.

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April 19, 2014, 02:03:48 PM
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Anybody can edit an article on blogger after the fact to make it look like it was prophetic, but reading this, I can't think how anybody can't make the connection between bit gold and bitcoin. 

http://unenumerated.blogspot.kr/2005/12/bit-gold.html

Please tell me you're being sarcastic...
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April 19, 2014, 02:28:29 PM
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Bitcoin creator is 100% Satoshi Nakamoto or we don't really know? Also how Satoshi Nakamoto and Nick Szabo are related? Do you think Nick Szabo could be the creator of bitcoin?
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April 19, 2014, 02:50:47 PM
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This is a picture of Nick Szabo:



He looks like a turtle. So is there zero pictures of Szabo?
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April 19, 2014, 03:04:49 PM
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Bitcoin creator is 100% Satoshi Nakamoto or we don't really know? Also how Satoshi Nakamoto and Nick Szabo are related? Do you think Nick Szabo could be the creator of bitcoin?

There is another possibility. Szabo wrote his essay about Bit Gold in 2005. What if Satoshi Nakamoto plagiarized parts of his essay and incorporated some of the ideas in his paper on Bitcoin in 2008?
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April 19, 2014, 03:20:27 PM
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Generally what I do if I want to find someone is first start with the closest link and work back.

Who do we KNOW worked with or must have worked with Satoshi, start with them, go back.

Really people unless Satoshi is  gov project and is in fact a real individual, he/she/they are able to be found.

I mean who founded the foundation, how did Jed start using the coin, who helped him, there are many leads to foloow.
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April 19, 2014, 03:26:30 PM
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Generally what I do if I want to find someone is first start with the closest link and work back.

Who do we KNOW worked with or must have worked with Satoshi, start with them, go back.

Really people unless Satoshi is  gov project and is in fact a real individual, he/she/they are able to be found.

I mean who founded the foundation, how did Jed start using the coin, who helped him, there are many leads to foloow.

I think we wouldve found him by now. He obviously wasnt sloppy. The biggest mystery is the unspent coins.
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April 19, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
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I've never heard about Nick Szabo but thanks for giving me an idea how to call my new song. The name will be "is he is who he says he is?" Grin
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April 19, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
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Generally what I do if I want to find someone is first start with the closest link and work back.

Who do we KNOW worked with or must have worked with Satoshi, start with them, go back.

Really people unless Satoshi is  gov project and is in fact a real individual, he/she/they are able to be found.

I mean who founded the foundation, how did Jed start using the coin, who helped him, there are many leads to foloow.

I think we wouldve found him by now. He obviously wasnt sloppy. The biggest mystery is the unspent coins.

Possibly only because if he/they went through so much trouble to stay private that any spending would create a trail.

Or they already sold out? Or it is gov backed so will never be spent or spent downt the road or or or...

For me personally I just don't care enough but what we need to know is the first hint of their use was when... Jed?

Start with that, has anyone ever asked Jed how he discovered them and how he developed a platform to trade them? He MUST I mean MUST know something.

Maybe this has been asked but it seems clear people must know something more and just haven't said. Be it money or threat of death, both likely reasons lol

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April 19, 2014, 04:29:34 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Szabo

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April 19, 2014, 04:30:45 PM
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Generally what I do if I want to find someone is first start with the closest link and work back.

Who do we KNOW worked with or must have worked with Satoshi, start with them, go back.

Really people unless Satoshi is  gov project and is in fact a real individual, he/she/they are able to be found.

I mean who founded the foundation, how did Jed start using the coin, who helped him, there are many leads to foloow.

I think we wouldve found him by now. He obviously wasnt sloppy. The biggest mystery is the unspent coins.

Possibly only because if he/they went through so much trouble to stay private that any spending would create a trail.

Or they already sold out? Or it is gov backed so will never be spent or spent downt the road or or or...

For me personally I just don't care enough but what we need to know is the first hint of their use was when... Jed?

Start with that, has anyone ever asked Jed how he discovered them and how he developed a platform o trade them? He MUST I mean MUST know something.

Maybe this has been asked.

He might be dead. If he's several people I wonder if it will make him easier or harder to track?
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He might be dead. If he's several people I wonder if it will make him easier or harder to track?
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On one hand harder and on the other easier. More people, more talk, more leaks etc. It has pros and cons.

I found this a good starting point, taken from Wiki. So question, who owns this forum at that time, why don't they expose the IP addresses, who caught vulnerability and had power/auth to fix it. I mean was this just a community hey anyone join in growth or what?

Creation[edit]

In November 2008, a paper was posted on the internet under the name Satoshi Nakamoto titled Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System. This paper detailed methods of using a peer-to-peer network to generate what was described as "a system for electronic transactions without relying on trust".[8][9][10][11] In January 2009, the Bitcoin network came into existence with the release of the first open source Bitcoin client and the issuance of the first bitcoins,[9][12][13][14] with Satoshi Nakamoto mining the first block of bitcoins ever (known as the "genesis block"), which had a reward of 50 bitcoins. The value of the first bitcoin transactions were negotiated by individuals on the bitcointalk forums with one notable transaction involving a 10,000 BTC pizza.[9]

On 6 August 2010, a major vulnerability in the Bitcoin protocol was spotted. Transactions weren't properly verified before they were included in the transaction log or "block chain" which let users bypass Bitcoin's economic restrictions and create an indefinite number of bitcoins.[15][16] On 15 August, the vulnerability was exploited; over 184 billion bitcoins were generated in a transaction, and sent to two addresses on the network. Within hours, the transaction was spotted and erased from the transaction log after the bug was fixed and the network forked to an updated version of the Bitcoin protocol.[17][18] This was the only major security flaw found and exploited in Bitcoin's history.[15][16]
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April 19, 2014, 06:09:08 PM
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i do believe nick szabo is satoshi
or the most likely suspect of being satoshi
but i would respect satoshi's request for privacy so lets not get too deep into finding satoshi

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April 19, 2014, 07:12:32 PM
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Nick is the inventor of bit gold, which in theory is absolutely the same as bitcoin even the name looks like. The bit gold post is from 2008. If he is not Satoshi, they had some connection.

I don't care for the linguistics, the bit gold post is enough.

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April 19, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
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Why don't we have a single photo of Szabo and no record (that I can find) of him working at George Washington University? !

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