Bitcoin and Anarchism

[murraypaul]

They would use force to prevent non-payers using their roads.

Really? You can think of no other way?

What other way do you suggest, ultimately?
You have built a valuable road.
People are using it against your will.
How do you stop them?

No we haven't. For almost 800 years, we have found that extracting money on threat of violence is the most efficient way to fund any endeavour of the ruling elites. That you would trade your freedom for some smooth tarmac and a shiny iPod says more about you than it does about alternatives to extracting money on threat of violence.

Every society ultimately ends up with someone with control of power running it, whether that power is the threat of force, or money or equivalent to be able to hire the threat of force, or agreements with other societies to be covered by the umbrella of their threat of force.
If it didn't, it would be taken over by the warlord next door, and would have no way of preventing it.
As long as the guy next door has a gang, and no morals, you need either a bigger gang, or to bring yourself within the protection of a someone else's bigger gang.

[5flags]

What other way do you suggest, ultimately?
You have built a valuable road.
People are using it against your will.
How do you stop them?

How are cars prevented from entering toll roads without paying today? It's not really a complex problem.

Every society ultimately ends up with someone with control of power running it, whether that power is the threat of force, or money or equivalent to be able to hire the threat of force, or agreements with other societies to be covered by the umbrella of their threat of force.

And I will repost Nock:

According to my observations, mankind are among the most easily tamable and domesticable of all creatures in the animal world. They are readily reducible to submission, so readily conditionable (to coin a word) as to exhibit an almost incredibly enduring patience under restraint and oppression of the most flagrant character. So far are they from displaying any overweening love of freedom that they show a singular contentment with a condition of servitorship, often showing a curious canine pride in it, and again often simply unaware that they are existing in that condition.(Memoirs of the Superfluous Man)

You choose submission because you view it as inevitable. I choose another path. One of the benefits of being an anarchist is that I don't need you to agree with me

[murraypaul]

What other way do you suggest, ultimately?
You have built a valuable road.
People are using it against your will.
How do you stop them?

How are cars prevented from entering toll roads without paying today? It's not really a complex problem.

Barriers, with attendants. And legal action if you don't pay. Ultimately the threat of imprisonment. Force.

Every society ultimately ends up with someone with control of power running it, whether that power is the threat of force, or money or equivalent to be able to hire the threat of force, or agreements with other societies to be covered by the umbrella of their threat of force.

And I will repost Nock:

According to my observations, mankind are among the most easily tamable and domesticable of all creatures in the animal world. They are readily reducible to submission, so readily conditionable (to coin a word) as to exhibit an almost incredibly enduring patience under restraint and oppression of the most flagrant character. So far are they from displaying any overweening love of freedom that they show a singular contentment with a condition of servitorship, often showing a curious canine pride in it, and again often simply unaware that they are existing in that condition.(Memoirs of the Superfluous Man)

You choose submission because you view it as inevitable. I choose another path. One of the benefits of being an anarchist is that I don't need you to agree with me

And, so far, thoughout history I have been correct

[5flags]

Barriers, with attendants. And legal action if you don't pay. Ultimately the threat of imprisonment. Force.

And if you had barriers which prevented cars from entering the road without paying?

And, so far, thoughout history I have been right

So has Nock. As a species, we are very accepting of subjugation, so much so that we take pride in it.

[murraypaul]

Barriers, with attendants. And legal action if you don't pay. Ultimately the threat of imprisonment. Force.

And if you had barriers which prevented cars from entering the road without paying?

Then miscreants would try to remove them, and you would need to stop them.
Force shouldn't be necessary, but it is.

[5flags]

Then miscreants would try to remove them, and you would need to stop them.
Force shouldn't be necessary, but it is.

Nothing in anarchism prevents the use of force to protect property.

[ahmedjadoon]

I just read thread's title and would say they have no relation whatsoever.