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April 28, 2014, 08:16:35 PM |
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no, more like "mostly atheists and christians."
Atheism and Agnosticism is a bit similar, this is why I've said it. |
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April 28, 2014, 08:20:24 PM |
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no, more like "mostly atheists and christians."
Atheism and Agnosticism is a bit similar, this is why I've said it. I believe the main difference is that Atheism is flat out denial of any theism while Agnostics just say that there may be a god, there just isn't any real way to know. |
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April 28, 2014, 08:20:50 PM |
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no, more like "mostly atheists and christians."
Atheism and Agnosticism is a bit similar, this is why I've said it. maybe they're both not very theistic.. but here's a good link that explains the difference between the two http://www.diffen.com/difference/Agnostic_vs_Atheistno, more like "mostly atheists and christians."
Atheism and Agnosticism is a bit similar, this is why I've said it. I believe the main difference is that Atheism is flat out denial of any theism while Agnostics just say that there may be a god, there just isn't any real way to know. that's basically it. i'm an agnostic because how the fuck could i be so sure that a "god" does not exist? i try to be objective, and the truth is that there's not enough evidence to point me one way or another. as an agnostic, i see atheists and religious people as the same; they are both people who draw an objective answer without sufficient evidence... so i don't agree with lumping agnostic with atheist. |
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April 28, 2014, 08:24:19 PM |
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wow bitcoin users are godless creatures  With great knowledge comes Agnosticism.  Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x |
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April 28, 2014, 08:34:38 PM |
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wow bitcoin users are godless creatures With great knowledge comes Agnosticism. Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism. theism = yes athiem = no agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure. |
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April 28, 2014, 08:53:05 PM |
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wow bitcoin users are godless creatures With great knowledge comes Agnosticism. Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism. theism = yes athiem = no agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure. So it's ok to believe in a god or not be sure, but if you don't believe there is one that's not ok? |
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April 28, 2014, 09:08:14 PM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
So it's ok to believe in a god or not be sure, but if you don't believe there is one that's not ok? Says who? This makes no sense at all. It's the exact opposite. |
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April 28, 2014, 09:20:30 PM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
So it's ok to believe in a god or not be sure, but if you don't believe there is one that's not ok? Says who? This makes no sense at all. It's the exact opposite. I was going by this part but maybe I misread him: wow bitcoin users are godless creatures With great knowledge comes Agnosticism. Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism. theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure. |
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April 28, 2014, 09:48:27 PM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
So it's ok to believe in a god or not be sure, but if you don't believe there is one that's not ok? Says who? This makes no sense at all. It's the exact opposite. I was going by this part but maybe I misread him: wow bitcoin users are godless creatures With great knowledge comes Agnosticism. Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism. theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.I think that is not what he meant at all. He was trying to define what each religion thought of a higher power, not how acceptable it is . |
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April 28, 2014, 09:54:47 PM |
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I think that is not what he meant at all. He was trying to define what each religion thought of a higher power, not how acceptable it is . He certainly did not succeed in doing this. He's lacking English skills to do so. |
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April 28, 2014, 10:58:33 PM |
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I believe the main difference is that Atheism is flat out denial of any theism while Agnostics just say that there may be a god, there just isn't any real way to know.
This is just my thought exactly. There is no better and simpler way to say what Atheism and Agnosticism is about. And I am agnostic. |
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April 29, 2014, 12:52:32 AM |
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wow bitcoin users are godless creatures With great knowledge comes Agnosticism. Just looked at the poll. Holy shitballs! I didn't realize there were so many agnostics using bitcoin. I'm impressed! nah,nah,nah hold your shibas, it's much atheists atheists outnumber agnostics almost 3x yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism. theism = yes athiem = no agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure. So it's ok to believe in a god or not be sure, but if you don't believe there is one that's not ok? mate.. i am neither a religious nor an anti religious person. i don't believe in either.. not sure why you interpret me as only anti atheist. |
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April 29, 2014, 01:01:06 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge |
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April 29, 2014, 01:03:45 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge how is what youre saying any different from what i am? |
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April 29, 2014, 01:10:54 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge how is what youre saying any different from what i am? Because agnosticism is not a "maybe"... Or maybe I've misread what you wrote... |
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April 29, 2014, 01:12:26 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge how is what youre saying any different from what i am? Because agnosticism is not a "maybe"... Or maybe I've misread what you wrote... if you have no leaning - one way or another - then isn't the default answer "maybe"? |
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April 29, 2014, 01:21:37 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge how is what youre saying any different from what i am? Because agnosticism is not a "maybe"... Or maybe I've misread what you wrote... if you have no leaning - one way or another - then isn't the default answer "maybe"? No, if someone has no leaning he has no belief and that's an atheist. |
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April 29, 2014, 01:24:14 AM |
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yeah, as i said in a previous post to him.. don't lump agnostic and atheist together. they are not the same thing. coming from an agnostic person, i view atheism to be more like christianity, for example, than it is to agnosticism.
theism = yes
athiem = no
agnosticism = maybe.. i'm not sure.
Wrong! Theism = belief in a god or gods Atheism = Lack of believe in god or gods Gnosticism = Claim to have knowledge Agnosticism = Claim to have no knowledge how is what youre saying any different from what i am? Because agnosticism is not a "maybe"... Or maybe I've misread what you wrote... if you have no leaning - one way or another - then isn't the default answer "maybe"? No, if someone has no leaning he has no belief and that's an atheist. that makes completely 0 sense to me. an atheist believes in something - that there is no god. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtheismMost inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgnosticAgnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable |
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April 29, 2014, 01:30:09 AM |
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that makes completely 0 sense to me. an atheist believes in something - that there is no god. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AtheismMost inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgnosticAgnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, as well as other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown or unknowable Well, to his point, your quote only states that it is the "absence of faith", not a "faith" that something does not exist. |
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April 29, 2014, 01:32:35 AM |
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that makes completely 0 sense to me. an atheist believes in something - that there is no god.
That is usually called strong atheism or positive atheism, in simple terms atheism is just the absence of belief in some kind of deity. |
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