Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again?

[YarkoL]

Low birth rate is not the real problem in the Baltics. The major issue is extremely-high death rates.

I think there has been an emigration boom, ever since
those countries joined EU. Here in Finland, the building sector industry
is filled with Estonians - better pay and social security.

I guess the death rates appear higher as those who are
left behind tend to be mostly old people.

[bryant.coleman]

Low birth rate is not the real problem in the Baltics. The major issue is extremely-high death rates.

I think there has been an emigration boom, ever since
those countries joined EU. Here in Finland, the building sector industry
is filled with Estonians - better pay and social security.

I guess the death rates appear higher as those who are
left behind tend to be mostly old people.

Nope. You are wrong there. The official stats in all these three nations consider births, as well as deaths to nationals working abroad in their final stats. So you can't say that the higher death rates are resulting from the elderly population.

[YarkoL]

Nope. You are wrong there. The official stats in all these three nations consider births, as well as deaths to nationals working abroad in their final stats. So you can't say that the higher death rates are resulting from the elderly population.

I stand corrected. However, I do believe the emigration
does count on the depopulation curve exhibited by Balthazar.

I also took a look at the stats in wikipedia, and the death
rates weren't really 2X birth rates.

Nevertheless it is true that they are in consistent decline,
and I confess of not having been aware of this previously.

[RodeoX]

I wonder is our Russian posters are aware that this is not even in the news anymore.

I think you're aware that we're able to watch BBC, CNN, FauxNews, et cetera. Of course we know that your people would prefer to see some news about Jastin Bieber.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hVBzuXCbOxA

No one in America cares about these issues, not even a little.

And that's a major reason of all these events. As well as any other proxy war, this one happens due to your silent permission. Congratulations.

I'm not commenting on it, I'm just saying that this is not in the news here.

[Nemo1024]

Russian SU-24 forced an American destroyer "Ross" (equipped with Aegis) out of Russian territorial waters and back into neutral waters in the Eastern part of the Black Sea. "Ross" was behaving in a provocative manner.
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20150530/1067315178.html
Several American ships previously exceeded the 21 days that they can spend in the Black Sea according to the international convention, according to Lavrov.

[bryant.coleman]

I also took a look at the stats in wikipedia, and the death
rates weren't really 2X birth rates.

Hmm.. for example, Latvia is having a birth rate of 10.2 per 1,000 and death rate of 14.3 per 1,000. It is not exactly 2x. But you should remember that the Latvian agency counts births to all Latvian nationals abroad, even if one of the parents is non-Latvian. Some 30% of the Latvians in the United Kingdom marry non-Latvians (especially the British) and births to these people are counted as "Latvian" births.

For comparison, the birth rate in Belarus is 12.5 per 1,000 and the death rate is 12.8 per 1,000. Similar to Latvia, Belarus is a 99.9% white country, with very few immigrants. But Belarus is very poor when compared to Latvia. Still, the natural decline in Latvia is 20 times higher than that in Belarus.

[C10H15N]

I think you're missing the big picture.

https://vimeo.com/128373915

[Balthazar]

Almaz-Antey, missile manufacturer, is holding the press conference.

09:49 GMT:

The character of the damage caused to the aircraft is consistent only with the BUK9M38 and BUK9M38-M1 missiles, if the BUK missiles are in question - Malyshevsky

09:46 GMT:

The BUK 9M317 missile type employed by the Russian Armed Forces is out of the question here, as the shape of the fragments does not match the damage caused to the aircraft - adviser to the head engineer Mikhail Malyshevsky

http://rt.com/news/264205-buk-manufacturer-mh17-ukraine/

They're also ready to carry out an experimental explosion to prove that Ukrainians are responsible for this tragedy.

[bryant.coleman]

Almaz-Antey, missile manufacturer, is holding the press conference.

They are claiming that the Buk M1 hit the Boeing aircraft, over the village of Zaroschshenskoe. This contradicts with the version given out by the Kiev junta. The junta have been claiming all along that the hit occurred near the town of Snezhnoe.

Here is the location of Zaroschshenskoe (Зapoщeнcкoe):

https://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?language=ru&pagename=%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5&params=47_59_18_N_38_26_46_E_scale:50000

https://www.google.com/maps?ll=47.988333,38.446111&spn=0.005,0.005&t=m&q=47.988333,38.446111(%D0%97%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5)&hl=ru

[Nemo1024]

Seen in headlines on Sky today:

Poland Rearming As Fears Of Russian Attack Grow
http://news.sky.com/story/1494518/poland-rearms-as-fears-of-russian-attack-grow

Applying the Western double-speak filter, this headline translates into:

Best case: "Poland has been duped into rearming with outdated American weapons as media-blown hysteria about non-existent Russian aggression grows"
Worst case: "Poland rearming as plans for yet another Polish invasion of Russia are finalised"

It's been too long since Poland invaded Russia last time: 96 years, in 1919-1920. Usually Poland takes a stab at Russian lands twice a century...


By the way, the following was spotted in Vilnius airport (Lithuania) a few days ago: more occupational forces arrive.

[BADecker]

Perhaps the West is gearing up to invade Russia. But more than ever, the West is gearing up to invade the United States of America. Google and Youtube search "Jade Helm."

Also visit http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/. Many articles and interviews with various government officials, including many military.

[Nemo1024]

Business as usual: NATO increases its military presence at the Russian border. As Putin is quoted in the following article: "We are not moving anywhere, it's the infrastructure of NATO, including military one, is moving closer to us. All that we do is respond to the threats aimed at us. And we are doing it in a limited fashion, guaranteeing the safety of Russia":
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201506061754-pbs5.htm

[Nemo1024]

To be fair, there are sensible voices that are heard from Washington, urging Russia and USA to mend relations:

Can U.S.-Russia Relations Be Repaired?
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/can-us-russia-relations-be-repaired-13052

When NATO expansion was promoted by the Clinton administration in the 1990s, George F. Kennan warned that it would inevitably antagonize Russia and lead to a new era of tension between East and West. Today, in the wake of Russia’s annexation of Crimea and rising tensions between Washington and Moscow, his prediction seems as though it’s being fulfilled. The echoes of Cold War confrontation are resounding in both capitals.

Enter the newly formed American Committee for East-West Accord, a nonpartisan organization that seeks to promote what amounts to a new détente with Russia. Its name quite deliberately evokes the Committee on East-West Accord, which was founded in 1974 to champion détente and included George F. Kennan among its members. Today’s committee includes former senator Bill Bradley, former ambassador William J. vanden Heuvel, former ambassador Jack F. Matlock, Jr. and the scholar Stephen F. Cohen.

...

Even though some of the verbal wrapping is still presenting white as black:

They conclude,

    To recognize the potentially catastrophic consequences of war with Russia does not require paralysis in addressing the challenge of a resurgent but wounded Russia. The United States has a vital interest in maintaining its credibility as a superpower and in assuring the survival and security of its NATO alliance—and thus of every one of its NATO allies. Moreover, in international politics, appetites can grow quickly if fed by easy victories.

    The Russian president’s currently limited objectives in Ukraine could become more expansive if Russia does not face serious resistance. After all, the smooth annexation of Crimea led to an outburst of triumphalist rhetoric in Moscow about creating a new entity, Novorossiya, which would include eastern and southern Ukraine all the way to the Romanian border. The combination of resistance by local populations, the Ukrainian government’s willingness to fight for its territory, and U.S. and EU sanctions quickly persuaded the Russian leadership to curtail this line of thinking. When a nation is prepared to fight for important interests, clarity about that determination is a virtue in discouraging potential aggression.

    Yet the United States should be careful to avoid giving allies or friends—like Kiev—the sense that they have a blank check in confronting Moscow.

When did Moscow was creating Novorossia, and why is Novorossia suddenly a "new" entity - it existed as a Russian county when USA was still a toddler.

[ThEmporium]

Yea, we are going to invade a country that has nukes. Best logic in the world.

This logic will not work, the country with nuke cannot invade a country that has nuke, it will be a big catastrophic for both countries, Logically A nuclear country try to invade a non-nuke country by testing their nukes, such as U.S did with Iraq and Afghanistan. The same process U.S will try to implicate on any poor countries soon. If this goes loop then very soon nuke countries going to bite the dust.

[bryant.coleman]

As Putin is quoted in the following article: "We are not moving anywhere, it's the infrastructure of NATO, including military one, is moving closer to us.

I have a feeling that the next NATO target might be Belarus. That country remains one of the most formidable buffer zones between Russia and NATO right now. The NATO will try a carrot and stick approach. First they will dangle the carrot and try to wean away Lukashenko. If that doesn't work, then we can expect a military coup in Minsk.

[Balthazar]

[Nemo1024]

By the way, the following was spotted in Vilnius airport (Lithuania) a few days ago: more occupational forces arrive.

More plane watching, this time from this week: A US AirForce plane parked on the Vilnius Airport tarmac, while the German Luftwaffe plane just landed and taxing in to a spot beside the American war machine.

As Putin is quoted in the following article: "We are not moving anywhere, it's the infrastructure of NATO, including military one, is moving closer to us.

I have a feeling that the next NATO target might be Belarus. That country remains one of the most formidable buffer zones between Russia and NATO right now. The NATO will try a carrot and stick approach. First they will dangle the carrot and try to wean away Lukashenko. If that doesn't work, then we can expect a military coup in Minsk.

Belarus has been a NATO target since 1992. But it remains a fortress.


An interesting thread here, on largely the same topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1083636.0


US accuses Russia of missile violations to cover Europe deployment plans – Moscow
http://rt.com/news/265978-intermediate-range-missiles-russia/

The US is ramping up the controversy over alleged violations of a key missile ban treaty to cover up its own plans to deploy missiles in Europe, a top Russian military official said.

[bryant.coleman]

I have a feeling that the next NATO target might be Belarus. That country remains one of the most formidable buffer zones between Russia and NATO right now. The NATO will try a carrot and stick approach. First they will dangle the carrot and try to wean away Lukashenko. If that doesn't work, then we can expect a military coup in Minsk.

Belarus has been a NATO target since 1992. But it remains a fortress.

Recently I am seeing a lot of coverage about Belarus in the American propaganda channels such as BBC, and CNN, with titles such as "Is the end of brotherly love between Russia and Belarus on sight?". That's why I got suspicious. Since the Americans have already conquered Ukraine, it will be only logical to assume that the next target will be Belarus.

[Nemo1024]

I have a feeling that the next NATO target might be Belarus. That country remains one of the most formidable buffer zones between Russia and NATO right now. The NATO will try a carrot and stick approach. First they will dangle the carrot and try to wean away Lukashenko. If that doesn't work, then we can expect a military coup in Minsk.

Belarus has been a NATO target since 1992. But it remains a fortress.

Recently I am seeing a lot of coverage about Belarus in the American propaganda channels such as BBC, and CNN, with titles such as "Is the end of brotherly love between Russia and Belarus on sight?". That's why I got suspicious. Since the Americans have already conquered Ukraine, it will be only logical to assume that the next target will be Belarus.

Hmm.. this is indeed worrying. If the MSM started with such headlines, it means they are prepping the sheeple in the West. Belarus has the same kind of political topology as Ukraine, with Western Belarus (that got annexed after WWII) being the most nationalistic, and that can be abused by the Western warmongers. However, so far Russian and Belorussian languages have equal status in Belarus, and cultural ties are very strong, not to mention that Belarus enjoys gas prices at Russian domestic level. Unlike Ukraine, there's been no brainwashing of the population for the last 25 years, so it'll be tough for USA to create the same coup conditions as they did in Ukraine.

[bryant.coleman]

Hmm.. this is indeed worrying. If the MSM started with such headlines, it means they are prepping the sheeple in the West. Belarus has the same kind of political topology as Ukraine, with Western Belarus (that got annexed after WWII) being the most nationalistic, and that can be abused by the Western warmongers. However, so far Russian and Belorussian languages have equal status in Belarus, and cultural ties are very strong, not to mention that Belarus enjoys gas prices at Russian domestic level. Unlike Ukraine, there's been no brainwashing of the population for the last 25 years, so it'll be tough for USA to create the same coup conditions as they did in Ukraine.

I agree that it will be extremely difficult for the Americans to recreate another Maidan in Minsk. But as you have mentioned, they can instigate the population in the Western part (especially in the province of Grodno, where Poles constitute as much as 25% of the total population). The NATO will recreate a Kosovo like situation in Grodno, claiming that the Poles there are being discriminated against.