Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again?

[Nemo1024]

"Any previous invasion of Russia was preceded by a strong anti-Russian information" says russian who's army have invaded crimea and who's government invaded eastern part of ukraine by starting hybrid terrorism war there.

Two lies in one sentence. Well done. It's been discussed before. *Sigh* No one invaded Crimea. The Russian troops stationed there were there from Russian (prior to 1917) and throughout Soviet times, even after Crimea was stolen from Russia in 1954 and again denied independence from Ukraine in 1993. And no one invaded East Ukraine. US intelligence watches that region like a hawk and still cannot even cook any evidence?

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[keymone2]

Two lies in one sentence. Well done. It's been discussed before. *Sigh* No one invaded Crimea. The Russian troops stationed there were there from Russian (prior to 1917) and throughout Soviet times, even after Crimea was stolen from Russia in 1965 and again denied independence from Ukraine in 1993. And no one invaded East Ukraine. US intelligence watches that region like a hawk and still cannot even cook any evidence?

"after Crimea was stolen from Russia" so first of all crimea was reorganized into ukrainian ssr in 1954, so you're wrong at least once. second i'd like you to explain how can you steal from yourself and would you sue yourself for stealing from yourself? reorganization of regions is something that is being practiced everywhere and nobody calls this stealing - that's just retarded. and last point - if you're into history crimea originally wasn't even russia - why not returning it to turkey or even reestablishing independent country of Crimean Khanate? so you're not only wrong but also hypocritical.

"no one invaded East Ukraine. US intelligence watches that region like a hawk" so how exactly do you call organizing separatist groups led by russian military using russian weapons and having support of russian artillery? or can you properly debunk this very compelling evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqcFHcrpcWg ?

[Nemo1024]

I think I have enough of you. Russian weapons? Really? The whole of Ukraine and half of the former Soviet satellites use Russian/Soviet weapons. USA told Poland to ship their Soviet-time weapons to Ukraine and buy replacement NATO weapons instead. Russian artillery support?

On the video the scale of the Google-Earth angled image and the elevation of the virtual eye, and the small stretch of a water do not match. Could be anywhere in the region. Besides, the border is not exactly enforced. The freedom fighters could move their positions across the border to get a better vantage point and then drive to a new location. Now, what about Ukrainian armed groups (note that I am not saying that it was the Ukrainian army) artillery shelling the Russian cities?

Also, as other people point out, the lighting conditions in the video do not correspond to the stated time of day of the shelling - the sun setting in the north and it becomes dark at 16:00 in the middle of the summer? And this was already denied by OSCE observers in the area. Pull another one - it has bells on.

[keymone2]

I think I have enough of you. Russian weapons? Really? The whole of Ukraine and half of the former Soviet satellites use Russian/Soviet weapons. USA told Poland to ship their Soviet-time weapons to Ukraine and buy replacement NATO weapons instead. Russian artillery support?

On the video the scale of the Google-Earth angled image and the elevation of the virtual eye, and the small stretch of a water do not match. Could be anywhere in the region. Besides, the border is not exactly enforced. The freedom fighters could move their positions across the border to get a better vantage point and then drive to a new location. Now, what about Ukrainian armed groups (note that I am not saying that it was the Ukrainian army) artillery shelling the Russian cities?

"whole of Ukraine and half of the former Soviet satellites use Russian/Soviet weapons" except numerous weapons are found that are either too modern iterations that only russian army has or even with markings of russian military bases.

"small stretch of a water do not match" i wonder if you've even tried to see and analyze the video. i'll give it another shot though - here's a compelling analysis with google locations, streetmaps and illustrations http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.de/2014/07/russian-grad-firing-from-russian-soil.html

i know it's must be a shocker for you to admit that russia has fired GRADs into ukraine but it did happen. just analyze the evidence, one step at a time.

[bryant.coleman]

And last point - if you're into history crimea originally wasn't even russia - why not returning it to turkey or even reestablishing independent country of Crimean Khanate? so you're not only wrong but also hypocritical.

The Crimean Khanate came in to existence only during the 15th Century AD. Slavs were inhabiting that land for at least a thousand years before that. The Turks (now called Tatars) came to Crimea, defeated the small chiefdoms and then enslaved the local population. Crimea was one of the major slave trading centers of the world from 15th to 18th century AD. Slavs were sold to regions as far as Morocco and Yemen. The Khanate was destroyed in 1783, after Şahin Giray was defeated by Alexander Suvorov.

The enslaved natives suffered demeaning and horrible treatment by the Muslims. From 1474 to 1694, more than a million natives of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth were sold as slaves in Crimea. If you include the Russians and others as well, then a total of 3,000,000 Slavs were sold as slaves in Crimea until 1769.

It seems that the position and everyday conditions of a slave depended largely on his/her owner. Some slaves indeed could spend the rest of their days doing exhausting labor: as the Crimean vizir (minister) Sefer Gazi Aga mentions in one of his letters, the slaves were often “a plough and a scythe” of their owners. Most terrible, perhaps, was the fate of those who became galley-slaves, whose sufferings were poeticized in many Ukrainian dumas (songs). ... Both female and male slaves were often used for sexual purposes.

It is ironic that the Ukrainians are siding with the same people who almost wiped them out a few centuries back.  

[niothor]

And last point - if you're into history crimea originally wasn't even russia - why not returning it to turkey or even reestablishing independent country of Crimean Khanate? so you're not only wrong but also hypocritical.

The Crimean Khanate came in to existence only during the 15th Century AD. Slavs were inhabiting that land for at least a thousand years before that. The Turks (now called Tatars) came to Crimea, defeated the small chiefdoms and then enslaved the local population. Crimea was one of the major slave trading centers of the world from 15th to 18th century AD. Slavs were sold to regions as far as Morocco and Yemen. The Khanate was destroyed in 1783, after Şahin Giray was defeated by Alexander Suvorov.

In the mid-10th century, the eastern area of Crimea was conquered by Prince Sviatoslav I of Kiev and became part of the Kievan Rus' principality of Tmutarakan. In 988, Prince Vladimir I of Kiev also captured the Byzantine town of Chersonesos (presently part of Sevastopol) where he later converted to Christianity.

what was his name again?

[Fabrizio89]

European armies are not in shape for a war of that magnitude and if you read about recent acquisitions of weapons and vehicles it was most likely just to move some money around. At least for what concerns Italy they were "scammed" and ripped off with inefficient fighters and weapons, but in that case too it was probably just because they wanted to make their games to take some tax money. US intervention should be massive for something like that to happen and though they have means and funds to do so (since as always it's the only sector that receives good tax money), I don't see it happening considering they have very little to gain off such an effort.
I'm going to give a different view on the topic. Economy is changing and in a near future it will most likely move away from what triggered recent wars. Just think what progress technology has made in the past decade and traslate that in the next 10 years. We always talk about decentralization in btc but everyone should consider how decentralized the world has become in terms of accessibility to what even a couple of years ago just few people could have. Food and energy won't be a problem in some years (hell, they aren't a problem today considering how much food we waste). Imho information and data will be, so next conflicts, if we can call them so and if there really will be some, won't be fought on the ground, but mainly on cyberspace and probably in the near solar system as firsts enterprises are looking to begin asteroid mining in 2020-2024. You shouldn't be really concerned for an invasion or big wars nowadays.

[bryant.coleman]

what was his name again?

Doesn't matter. At that time, all the Eastern Slavic tribes were speaking different dialects of the same language. The Russian-Belorussian-Ukrainian division occurred many centuries later.

[niothor]

what was his name again?

Doesn't matter. At that time, all the Eastern Slavic tribes were speaking different dialects of the same language. The Russian-Belorussian-Ukrainian division occurred many centuries later.

Avoiding my question because you have felt in a trap with your thousands years of history knowledge.

[bryant.coleman]

what was his name again?

Doesn't matter. At that time, all the Eastern Slavic tribes were speaking different dialects of the same language. The Russian-Belorussian-Ukrainian division occurred many centuries later.

Avoiding my question because you have felt in a trap with your thousands years of history knowledge.

What, you want to claim that Prince Sviatoslav I of Kiev was Ukrainian? No. He was not. The term Ukrainian didn't existed back then. The people were known as either Eastern Slavs or Cossacks. The Kingdom was known as Rus.

[keymone2]

It is ironic that the Ukrainians are siding with the same people who almost wiped them out a few centuries back. 

it is ironic that you fail to see the irony in my message and it is very telling that you fail to see the hypocrisy of russians claiming crimea "historically russian land"

the whole point is that ussr collapsed and crimea is with ukraine and russia has accepted and recognized that fact by signing a contract about black sea fleet and signing budapest memorandum. and now suddenly russia invades with it's army and proclaims it "historically russian territory".

are you willing to allow russia do that on every piece of land where russians are local majority? grab piece of estonia lithuania and latvia? and what about "protecting russians" in finland? finland doesn't have russian as official language so that for sure is an oppression! MOVE IN THE ARMY PUTIN!

seems like your hatred of western world makes you excuse every bullshit move russia makes - do you think that is reasonable?

[bryant.coleman]

it is ironic that you fail to see the irony in my message and it is very telling that you fail to see the hypocrisy of russians claiming crimea "historically russian land"

Crimea is historic Slavic land. I don't want to comment whether it is Russian or Ukrainian, but right now Russians are the majority there.

are you willing to allow russia do that on every piece of land where russians are local majority? grab piece of estonia lithuania and latvia? and what about "protecting russians" in finland? finland doesn't have russian as official language so that for sure is an oppression! MOVE IN THE ARMY PUTIN!

A large part of the Russians (+ Ukrainians, Belorussians.etc) living in the Baltics are recent migrants. Baltics is not a part of the Slavic homeland. But still it is wrong that they are not allowed to use their native language.

seems like your hatred of western world makes you excuse every bullshit move russia makes - do you think that is reasonable?

I don't hate the Western world. I hate only the NATO war machine. What I don't want is Ukraine being accepted in to the NATO as a full member and American nuclear ICBMs being placed in the Russian-Ukrainian border.

[niothor]

I don't hate the Western world. I hate only the NATO war machine. What I don't want is Ukraine being accepted in to the NATO as a full member and American nuclear ICBMs being placed in the Russian-Ukrainian border.

But you're alright with a nuclear chinese warhead near your hut in pacific , right?

[keymone2]

Crimea is historic Slavic land. I don't want to comment whether it is Russian or Ukrainian, but right now Russians are the majority there.

A large part of the Russians (+ Ukrainians, Belorussians.etc) living in the Baltics are recent migrants. Baltics is not a part of the Slavic homeland. But still it is wrong that they are not allowed to use their native language.

I don't hate the Western world. I hate only the NATO war machine. What I don't want is Ukraine being accepted in to the NATO as a full member and American nuclear ICBMs being placed in the Russian-Ukrainian border.

"I hate only the NATO war machine" well you have the right to hate whomever you want even if it's completely unreasonable. question is why your hatred excuses russia bullshit moves? it's not NATO that has invaded ukraine and annexes part of it's territory. it's not NATO soldiers killing people on ukraine/russia border. unreasonable fear of nuclear ICBMs seems a very shady argument here.

[niothor]

Crimea is historic Slavic land. I don't want to comment whether it is Russian or Ukrainian, but right now Russians are the majority there.

A large part of the Russians (+ Ukrainians, Belorussians.etc) living in the Baltics are recent migrants. Baltics is not a part of the Slavic homeland. But still it is wrong that they are not allowed to use their native language.

I don't hate the Western world. I hate only the NATO war machine. What I don't want is Ukraine being accepted in to the NATO as a full member and American nuclear ICBMs being placed in the Russian-Ukrainian border.

"I hate only the NATO war machine" well you have the right to hate whomever you want even if it's completely unreasonable. question is why your hatred excuses russia bullshit moves? it's not NATO that has invaded ukraine and annexes part of it's territory. it's not NATO soldiers killing people on ukraine/russia border. unreasonable fear of nuclear ICBMs seems a very shady argument here.

You know what's even more amusing.
All , those freedom and peace loving pro-russians who all the day claim that the nato shield is useless and their iskanders can reduce europe to ash in seconds ))

[keymone2]

You know what's even more amusing.
All , those freedom and peace loving pro-russians who all the day claim that the nato shield is useless and their iskanders can reduce europe to ash in seconds ))

yes, "INTO NUCLEAR ASHES" - http://youtu.be/0SWEC4uJMoQ?t=1m46s

that is main russian channel boasting about destroying USA using nuclear missiles. but no, russians are peaceful and good people, there's nothing to worry about here, move along..

[wenben]

Crimea is historic Slavic land. I don't want to comment whether it is Russian or Ukrainian, but right now Russians are the majority there.

A large part of the Russians (+ Ukrainians, Belorussians.etc) living in the Baltics are recent migrants. Baltics is not a part of the Slavic homeland. But still it is wrong that they are not allowed to use their native language.

I don't hate the Western world. I hate only the NATO war machine. What I don't want is Ukraine being accepted in to the NATO as a full member and American nuclear ICBMs being placed in the Russian-Ukrainian border.

"I hate only the NATO war machine" well you have the right to hate whomever you want even if it's completely unreasonable. question is why your hatred excuses russia bullshit moves? it's not NATO that has invaded ukraine and annexes part of it's territory. it's not NATO soldiers killing people on ukraine/russia border. unreasonable fear of nuclear ICBMs seems a very shady argument here.

You know what's even more amusing.
All , those freedom and peace loving pro-russians who all the day claim that the nato shield is useless and their iskanders can reduce europe to ash in seconds ))

Nato shield is useless. It can't possibly block all incoming missiles coming from Russia.

[Nemo1024]

Invasions can take many forms. This blog post is rather enlightening:

Prediction: Is Kiev-Style Maidan Possible in St. Petersburg?
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/prediction-will-there-be-a-maidan-in-st-petersburg/

Background: Evgeny Fedorov is the leader of the NOD – People’s Liberation Movement of Russia. He had lived through the wholesale looting of the country in the 1990s. What’s important, he was a Russian Duma Deputy even back than. Here is the way he describes what was happening at the time in Russia. There was an AMERICAN supervisor (commissar, using Russian terminology) who was assigned to every politician, head of every organization, every company, etc. ALL decisions on all levels had to be CLEARED with the American commissar assigned to them. In short, in the ’90s Russia was a fully occupied country, with no voice and no ability to move a muscle without clearing it with a Western supervisor. Russia in the ’90s was what Ukraine is today.

I’ll be honest with you, dear readers. Having written the above phrase, I had sudden chills going through my body, as if putting it in writing made it especially real and scary.

Fedorov takes the view I generally take – Ukraine was just the prelude and training grounds for creating the mayhem of the century in Russia. The big prize is Russia and her destruction. I have warned many times that this is the big goal and the mega-prize for the US, the West, or, if you will, NWO.

[keymone2]

Invasions can take many forms. This blog post is rather enlightening:

Prediction: Is Kiev-Style Maidan Possible in St. Petersburg?
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/prediction-will-there-be-a-maidan-in-st-petersburg/

Background: Evgeny Fedorov is the leader of the NOD – People’s Liberation Movement of Russia. He had lived through the wholesale looting of the country in the 1990s. What’s important, he was a Russian Duma Deputy even back than. Here is the way he describes what was happening at the time in Russia. There was an AMERICAN supervisor (commissar, using Russian terminology) who was assigned to every politician, head of every organization, every company, etc. ALL decisions on all levels had to be CLEARED with the American commissar assigned to them. In short, in the ’90s Russia was a fully occupied country, with no voice and no ability to move a muscle without clearing it with a Western supervisor. Russia in the ’90s was what Ukraine is today.

I’ll be honest with you, dear readers. Having written the above phrase, I had sudden chills going through my body, as if putting it in writing made it especially real and scary.

Fedorov takes the view I generally take – Ukraine was just the prelude and training grounds for creating the mayhem of the century in Russia. The big prize is Russia and her destruction. I have warned many times that this is the big goal and the mega-prize for the US, the West, or, if you will, NWO.

"Invasions can take many forms." one of which is "humanitarian convoy". right?

[Nemo1024]

Invasions can take many forms. This blog post is rather enlightening:

Prediction: Is Kiev-Style Maidan Possible in St. Petersburg?
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/19/prediction-will-there-be-a-maidan-in-st-petersburg/

Background: Evgeny Fedorov is the leader of the NOD – People’s Liberation Movement of Russia. He had lived through the wholesale looting of the country in the 1990s. What’s important, he was a Russian Duma Deputy even back than. Here is the way he describes what was happening at the time in Russia. There was an AMERICAN supervisor (commissar, using Russian terminology) who was assigned to every politician, head of every organization, every company, etc. ALL decisions on all levels had to be CLEARED with the American commissar assigned to them. In short, in the ’90s Russia was a fully occupied country, with no voice and no ability to move a muscle without clearing it with a Western supervisor. Russia in the ’90s was what Ukraine is today.

I’ll be honest with you, dear readers. Having written the above phrase, I had sudden chills going through my body, as if putting it in writing made it especially real and scary.

Fedorov takes the view I generally take – Ukraine was just the prelude and training grounds for creating the mayhem of the century in Russia. The big prize is Russia and her destruction. I have warned many times that this is the big goal and the mega-prize for the US, the West, or, if you will, NWO.

"Invasions can take many forms." one of which is "humanitarian convoy". right?

Tired of your bullshit. Humanitarian convoy was inspected by Ukrainian officials and western media. Your web of lies and propaganda start to get obvious. Change tactics or your employer will be displeased.