ABUSE OF TRUST SYSTEM - whiskers75

[marcotheminer]

whiskers75 has left me negative feedback from some while ago with no reference.. The user is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56964
 
Things I can do:

1. Contact him and apologise for what made him mad - I have and he doesnt want to remove the trust because he says it is his choice
2. Get BadBear to remove this positive trust for whiskers75 - so that I wont be labelled in the red.
3. Maybe any other mods could help?

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[DiamondCardz]

The only thing you can do is either contact whiskers75 and convince him to remove it or get BadBear to remove him from his trust list, because mods can't do anything about the trust system. If he refuses a reference (or gives one like that which simply links to Stunna's thread), and refuses to remove the trust, he'll probably just be removed from the trust list.

[hilariousandco]

There is a reference but the post must've been deleted. There's not much you can do unless the person will either remove the post or whoever has him in the trustlist removes them from it. When did you ask him? I noticed whiskers hasn’t been online since April 11.

[DiamondCardz]

There is a reference but the post must've been deleted. There's not much you can do unless the person will either remove the post or whoever has him in the trustlist removes them from it. When did you ask him? I noticed whiskers hasn’t been online since April 11.

Ah - that explains why it links back to the OP. Marco, any idea what would've made whiskers leave negative feedback on you? Any posts that made people angry, for instance?

[mprep]

The Trust system isn't moderatable. Neither BadBear, nor the admin or any other mod will remove the feedback. This has been stated by theymos many times already.

[DiamondCardz]

What we're implying is that as whiskers75 is under BadBear's trust list it's ultimately up to either whiskers or BadBear to do something about it if marco asks for help with the trust system. It's ultimately their choice, of course.

[hilariousandco]

There is a reference but the post must've been deleted. There's not much you can do unless the person will either remove the post or whoever has him in the trustlist removes them from it. When did you ask him? I noticed whiskers hasn’t been online since April 11.

Ah - that explains why it links back to the OP. Marco, any idea what would've made whiskers leave negative feedback on you? Any posts that made people angry, for instance?

I'm not 100% sure exactly but I think it was just a comment whiskers deemed to be 'spam'. The admins (possibly mods?) can still see deleted comments though so maybe they could clarify.

[marcotheminer]

There is a reference but the post must've been deleted. There's not much you can do unless the person will either remove the post or whoever has him in the trustlist removes them from it. When did you ask him? I noticed whiskers hasn’t been online since April 11.

Ah - that explains why it links back to the OP. Marco, any idea what would've made whiskers leave negative feedback on you? Any posts that made people angry, for instance?

I honestly dont know...

Edit: I know: since I was 1 of the first people in the thread, I place an ad saying that the post space could be sold if needed in bright colours (Ive seen others do that in other large threads with reservations and selling that post). It was then removed and whiskers75 took offence?!

[marcotheminer]

Here is exactly what he told me a few weeks ago when I asked to remove the trust:

Why should I? Trust is your own personal thing; I'm not changing my own trust rating - that's what I think about you based on that post. It doesn't mean you're a scammer necessarily, but it's my rating of you.

[hilariousandco]

There is a reference but the post must've been deleted. There's not much you can do unless the person will either remove the post or whoever has him in the trustlist removes them from it. When did you ask him? I noticed whiskers hasn’t been online since April 11.

Ah - that explains why it links back to the OP. Marco, any idea what would've made whiskers leave negative feedback on you? Any posts that made people angry, for instance?

I honestly dont know...

Edit: I know: since I was 1 of the first people in the thread, I place an ad saying that the post space could be sold if needed in bright colours (Ive seen others do that in other large threads with reservations and selling that post). It was then removed and whiskers75 took offence?!

Ah, that was it. It was like five lines of THIS SPACE AVAILABLE FOR SALE in rainbow colours haha.

Okay then:

Paging for BadBear to remove whiskers75 from his default trust list or at least reconsider it.

Here is exactly what he told me a few weeks ago when I asked to remove the trust:

Why should I? Trust is your own personal thing; I'm not changing my own trust rating - that's what I think about you based on that post. It doesn't mean you're a scammer necessarily, but it's my rating of you.

I doubt Badbear will remove him. Try ask Whiskers again nicely and tell him you feel the he negative feedback is quite harsh and makes you look unfairly bad (as negative trust from people on the trust list does).

[cobra89y]

Bfl has come compition for giving people bad trust on here maybe its related to that

[hilariousandco]

Seems tysat has negbombed whiskers now. It's interesting that whiskers has two trusted positives from people yet tysat's was enough to put him in the red. Do people who are put directly on the trust list hold more weight to their feedback than the second tier trusted members?

[DiamondCardz]

Seems tysat has negbombed whiskers now. It's interesting that whiskers has two trusted positives from people yet tysat's was enough to put him in the red. Do people who are put directly on the trust list hold more weight to their feedback than the second tier trusted members?

No, I don't believe it matters. The negative feedback is fresh, meaning it weighs more I think, and the positive feedbacks are fresh with no risked BTC meaning they weigh less.

[Light]

whiskers75 has left me negative feedback from some while ago with no reference.. The user is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56964

Actually just out of reference I'm pretty sure it had a working reference - I do remember looking at it was some months back. Considering that it's missing now (and the thread is not self-moderated) the only logical conclusion would be to assume you deleted it. Would you mind explaining why? Also, if it was an innocent post I don't see why one would delete it or at least raise the issue then (three and a half months ago). I dunno, seems a bit suspicious to me.

[Nagato4]

whiskers75 has left me negative feedback from some while ago with no reference.. The user is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56964

Actually just out of reference I'm pretty sure it had a working reference - I do remember looking at it was some months back. Considering that it's missing now (and the thread is not self-moderated) the only logical conclusion would be to assume you deleted it. Would you mind explaining why? Also, if it was an innocent post I don't see why one would delete it or at least raise the issue then (three and a half months ago). I dunno, seems a bit suspicious to me.

I heard that mods can see deleted post and all edit history.
So, maybe we could have a mod taking a look at that post...

It may not be okay to make that post public to us, but at least the mod can tell us what kind of post is that, like scam or personal insult or something else.

[tysat]

whiskers75 has left me negative feedback from some while ago with no reference.. The user is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56964

Actually just out of reference I'm pretty sure it had a working reference - I do remember looking at it was some months back. Considering that it's missing now (and the thread is not self-moderated) the only logical conclusion would be to assume you deleted it. Would you mind explaining why? Also, if it was an innocent post I don't see why one would delete it or at least raise the issue then (three and a half months ago). I dunno, seems a bit suspicious to me.

I heard that mods can see deleted post and all edit history.
So, maybe we could have a mod taking a look at that post...

It may not be okay to make that post public to us, but at least the mod can tell us what kind of post is that, like scam or personal insult or something else.

Only theymos can do that AFAIK, good luck getting a response!

[Anduck]

Bad trust system. Don't rely on it. We've seen how this kind of trust system works. (TradeFortress scams for example)

[Nagato4]

I heard that mods can see deleted post and all edit history.
So, maybe we could have a mod taking a look at that post...

It may not be okay to make that post public to us, but at least the mod can tell us what kind of post is that, like scam or personal insult or something else.

Only theymos can do that AFAIK, good luck getting a response!

Too bad, this plan won't work then. This matter won't draw theymos' attention and worth his time.

[Wardrick]

You're best route would probably be to post in the scammer accusations sub-forum (since he's calling you a scammer), and make him provide proof of why he thinks you're a scammer. If he can't then PM a staff member that deals with trust ratings and I'm sure they'd be happy to remove it for you.

[tspacepilot]

Bad trust system. Don't rely on it. We've seen how this kind of trust system works. (TradeFortress scams for example)

Yup, my name appeared in the red for many months because TF took some offence to me and my account on coinchat.org (one of his sites).  He decided that even though we hadn't met or discussed anything on this forum that it was okay to put negative trust on me.  In the end, in my case, he was finally removed from the trust list so I don't have the mark anymore.  But it is certainly a system that can be abused.

I don't know what happened between whiskers and marco but I do know that the trust system here is a bit of a fickle thing.  Lol: don't trust the trust system, decide for yourself.