[Split] Re: [EDU] Banned? Read this before posting about it

[BenAnh]

So it's best to ban spammers but not scammers?

[mprep]

So it's best to ban spammers but not scammers?

The forum policy is not to moderate scams and let the community police itself. That's what the Trust system was meant for. Spam is obvious, scams are subjective and moderating supposed "scams" can lead to serious censorship by mods/staff. That's what we need to avoid.

[BenAnh]

So it's best to ban spammers but not scammers?

The forum policy is not to moderate scams and let the community police itself. That's what the Trust system was meant for. Spam is obvious, scams are subjective and moderating supposed "scams" can lead to serious censorship by mods/staff. That's what we need to avoid.

I mean spams are just annoying but scams look more serious to me to say the least. It's up to the staff/mods to pick their poison but I would spend more time policing scams than spams to create a safe and better environment. Now we're talking about more than 300k members and the numbers will increase to a couple of millions soon so good resource management should come into play to make the forum the best one, not one of the best!

Look at this guy spamming on my thread and the mods did nothing;) Plus I do not care! He even made threats to get my account banned else he continues to spam it until I give up, just a kid.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6452700#msg6452700
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382137#msg6382137
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382558#msg6382558
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365534#msg6365534
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365547#msg6365547

Just to give an example!

[mprep]

So it's best to ban spammers but not scammers?

The forum policy is not to moderate scams and let the community police itself. That's what the Trust system was meant for. Spam is obvious, scams are subjective and moderating supposed "scams" can lead to serious censorship by mods/staff. That's what we need to avoid.

I mean spams are just annoying but scams look more serious to me to say the least. It's up to the staff/mods to pick their poison but I would spend more time policing scams than spams to create a safe and better environment. Now we're talking about more than 300k members and the numbers will increase to a couple of millions soon so good resource management should come into play to make the forum the best one, not one of the best!

Look at this guy spamming on my thread and the mods did nothing;) Plus I do not care! He even made threats to get my account banned else he continues to spam it until I give up, just a kid.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6452700#msg6452700
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382137#msg6382137
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382558#msg6382558
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365534#msg6365534
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365547#msg6365547

Just to give an example!

That isn't spam. I guess some other mods agree. What you have there is criticism. Bit borderline annoying, but still pretty constructive.

Back on topic, moderation of scams can lead to some serious abuse from the moderators side: it can cause him silencing those he doesn't want to tell, claiming he's running a scam. Thus members themselves have to asses the situation and decide whether it's a scam or not.

[BadBear]

Do you really want some INTERNET FORUMS MODERATOR deciding if your business is a scam or not? People are more than capable of making their own choices provided they have all the information, which is hard to get if moderators are being heavy handed. If they make dumb choices that's their choice to make.

Besides we tried it with scammer tags, know what happened? People still got scammed, then blamed us for it anyway, because hey, that newbie with a month old account doesn't have a scammer tag, he must be totally legit or the mods would have done something right?

[BenAnh]

Do you really want some INTERNET FORUMS MODERATOR deciding if your business is a scam or not? People are more than capable of making their own choices provided they have all the information, which is hard to get if moderators are being heavy handed. If they make dumb choices that's their choice to make.

Besides we tried it with scammer tags, know what happened? People still got scammed, then blamed us for it anyway, because hey, that newbie with a month old account doesn't have a scammer tag, he must be totally legit or the mods would have done something right?

If you're trading and you want to have a status as verified or trusted then maybe a couple of verification like linked accounts here and there to make sure that the community can simply eliminate you if you're scamming with one strike (or we can implement a 3-strike). It's not that hard to do with all the resources that the forum has on its hands. If you want to be the best, got to stay on top of the game and Bitcoin is a great example!

[BenAnh]

So it's best to ban spammers but not scammers?

The forum policy is not to moderate scams and let the community police itself. That's what the Trust system was meant for. Spam is obvious, scams are subjective and moderating supposed "scams" can lead to serious censorship by mods/staff. That's what we need to avoid.

I mean spams are just annoying but scams look more serious to me to say the least. It's up to the staff/mods to pick their poison but I would spend more time policing scams than spams to create a safe and better environment. Now we're talking about more than 300k members and the numbers will increase to a couple of millions soon so good resource management should come into play to make the forum the best one, not one of the best!

Look at this guy spamming on my thread and the mods did nothing;) Plus I do not care! He even made threats to get my account banned else he continues to spam it until I give up, just a kid.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6452700#msg6452700
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382137#msg6382137
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6382558#msg6382558
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365534#msg6365534
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524457.msg6365547#msg6365547

Just to give an example!

That isn't spam. I guess some other mods agree. What you have there is criticism. Bit borderline annoying, but still pretty constructive.

Back on topic, moderation of scams can lead to some serious abuse from the moderators side: it can cause him silencing those he doesn't want to tell, claiming he's running a scam. Thus members themselves have to asses the situation and decide whether it's a scam or not.

Then how do you define spamming or accusing others without knowing nothing? Look at who else is having an issue with our trading there? See the pattern. You think this guy (James) is accusing others like that deserves better things in life? http://www.thanhniennews.com/special-report/a-new-way-to-help-24465.html Pretty childish to be a member of Litecoin Association. It's a shame!

[DiamondCardz]

Thanks for splitting the thread.

Do you really want some INTERNET FORUMS MODERATOR deciding if your business is a scam or not? People are more than capable of making their own choices provided they have all the information, which is hard to get if moderators are being heavy handed. If they make dumb choices that's their choice to make.

Besides we tried it with scammer tags, know what happened? People still got scammed, then blamed us for it anyway, because hey, that newbie with a month old account doesn't have a scammer tag, he must be totally legit or the mods would have done something right?

If you're trading and you want to have a status as verified or trusted then maybe a couple of verification like linked accounts here and there to make sure that the community can simply eliminate you if you're scamming with one strike (or we can implement a 3-strike). It's not that hard to do with all the resources that the forum has on its hands. If you want to be the best, got to stay on top of the game and Bitcoin is a great example!

Like said previously, that's precisely what the trust system is there to do. Trade enough and other people see this and trust you, scam and you get a nice big red warning on your posts in the trading sections.

[BenAnh]

Thanks for splitting the thread.

Do you really want some INTERNET FORUMS MODERATOR deciding if your business is a scam or not? People are more than capable of making their own choices provided they have all the information, which is hard to get if moderators are being heavy handed. If they make dumb choices that's their choice to make.

Besides we tried it with scammer tags, know what happened? People still got scammed, then blamed us for it anyway, because hey, that newbie with a month old account doesn't have a scammer tag, he must be totally legit or the mods would have done something right?

If you're trading and you want to have a status as verified or trusted then maybe a couple of verification like linked accounts here and there to make sure that the community can simply eliminate you if you're scamming with one strike (or we can implement a 3-strike). It's not that hard to do with all the resources that the forum has on its hands. If you want to be the best, got to stay on top of the game and Bitcoin is a great example!

Like said previously, that's precisely what the trust system is there to do. Trade enough and other people see this and trust you, scam and you get a nice big red warning on your posts in the trading sections.

If it's that simple you mentioned previously we would not have many scammers! It's not that simple;)

[DiamondCardz]

Thanks for splitting the thread.

Do you really want some INTERNET FORUMS MODERATOR deciding if your business is a scam or not? People are more than capable of making their own choices provided they have all the information, which is hard to get if moderators are being heavy handed. If they make dumb choices that's their choice to make.

Besides we tried it with scammer tags, know what happened? People still got scammed, then blamed us for it anyway, because hey, that newbie with a month old account doesn't have a scammer tag, he must be totally legit or the mods would have done something right?

If you're trading and you want to have a status as verified or trusted then maybe a couple of verification like linked accounts here and there to make sure that the community can simply eliminate you if you're scamming with one strike (or we can implement a 3-strike). It's not that hard to do with all the resources that the forum has on its hands. If you want to be the best, got to stay on top of the game and Bitcoin is a great example!

Like said previously, that's precisely what the trust system is there to do. Trade enough and other people see this and trust you, scam and you get a nice big red warning on your posts in the trading sections.

If it's that simple you mentioned previously we would not have many scammers! It's not that simple;)

Most of the scammers are newbies. All the scammers joining are new, so we can't instantly mark them for scamming, can we? There's a limit to what we can do, you realize.