Time Does Not Exist

[Bitcoin-hotep]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_UkLPxIWCE

[Josepht]

You are saying that time doesn't exist. According to you there is just a 'now' when your cells divides themselves into two.

Let me tell you this:
Human cells can divide up to a maximum of 50 times. Every time a cell divides, the end of the telomeres of the DNA is cut off. If all of the telomeres has been cut off, the cell dies.

Let's say a certain cell has a certain length. It can divide itself 50 times.
After the first celldivision, both cells can only divide 49 times. After another division, the cells can divide 48 times, and so on.
As you can see, time exists. There is a certain point in time where the cell can divide 49 times, and there is a time a cell can divide only e.g. 32 times. In between those situations, time has passed.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

You are saying that time doesn't exist. According to you there is just a 'now' when your cells divides themselves into two.

Let me tell you this:
Human cells can divide up to a maximum of 50 times. Every time a cell divides, the end of the telomeres of the DNA is cut off. If all of the telomeres has been cut off, the cell dies.

Let's say a certain cell has a certain length. It can divide itself 50 times.
After the first celldivision, both cells can only divide 49 times. After another division, the cells can divide 48 times, and so on.
As you can see, time exists. There is a certain point in time where the cell can divide 49 times, and there is a time a cell can divide only e.g. 32 times. In between those situations, time has passed.

Again, you are doing what everyone does.

Just because you get more precise about what is happening, and can measure the splitting down to EXACTLY how "long" each cell lives, you are still just measuring a movement-change and calling it "time"

[Josepht]

Indeed, I call it time. I don't know any other word for it.

Are you really saying that between those cell divisions, no time passes?

[sana8410]

I have always thought time was an abstract idea constructed by the human mind, like many things. Time supposedly travels forwards yet it is always the present, future and past are just concepts. There is only the eternal now.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

Indeed, I call it time. I don't know any other word for it.

Are you really saying that between those cell divisions, no time passes?

It is an illusion. Just because it can be marked does not make it real.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

I have always thought time was an abstract idea constructed by the human mind, like many things. Time supposedly travels forwards yet it is always the present, future and past are just concepts. There is only the eternal now.

That is pretty much what I am saying.

[Josepht]

Indeed, I call it time. I don't know any other word for it.

Are you really saying that between those cell divisions, no time passes?

It is an illusion. Just because it can be marked does not make it real.

I agree with you about the fact that we can't taste, feel or see time.
What we do know about time is that certain things do not happen at the same time. What happened yesterday isn't happening now.

You not experiencing doesn't mean it is not existing.

[RodeoX]

I think of it as time does not exist independent of an observer. If all of us were gone tomorrow then there is no time, as it is only our perception that creates time. To some physicists, everything that has, could, or will happen is there. It is our brain that perceives us as moving through these possibilities and causes the phenomena of time.

Mind blowing stuff.  

[Bitcoin-hotep]

Indeed, I call it time. I don't know any other word for it.

Are you really saying that between those cell divisions, no time passes?

It is an illusion. Just because it can be marked does not make it real.

I agree with you about the fact that we can't taste, feel or see time.

I never made a point like that.
My point is that it IS NOT REAL. It is an illusion, and you delude yourself into believing it by measuring hundreds and thousands of things and calling that measurement time.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

I think of it as time does not exist independent of an observer. If all of us were gone tomorrow then there is no time, as it is only our perception that creates time. To some physicists, everything that has, could, or will happen is there. It is our brain that perceives us as moving through these possibilities and causes the phenomena of time.

Mind blowing stuff.  

Again, you are not proving times existence, you are just stating that it "seems to go by" to you. But again, you are acting like your perception of light, distance, etc matter, when all that matters here is "Is there a substance called time, and if not what exactly are we calling time" and what we are calling time is "Movement and change" which is NOT "time".

[beetcoin]

the existence of time is relative, as discovered by albert einstein. there is no objective, true existence of time.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

the existence of time is relative, as discovered by albert einstein. there is no objective, true existence of time.

Can you explain how he thought time could bend? I do not understand that.

[Josepht]

In that case I partially agree with you.
The concept of time just depends on in what way look at it. We made several concepts that everyone uses.

That is the same with length and math. Why do we say that a certain length is one meter? Just agreements everybody uses.

[RodeoX]

I think of it as time does not exist independent of an observer. If all of us were gone tomorrow then there is no time, as it is only our perception that creates time. To some physicists, everything that has, could, or will happen is there. It is our brain that perceives us as moving through these possibilities and causes the phenomena of time.

Mind blowing stuff.  

Again, you are not proving times existence, you are just stating that it "seems to go by" to you. But again, you are acting like your perception of light, distance, etc matter, when all that matters here is "Is there a substance called time, and if not what exactly are we calling time" and what we are calling time is "Movement and change" which is NOT "time".

Oh, I'm not claiming to understand. I'm at a loss. It is weird though how we think of time as movement. Is it that we are moving through the matrix of possibilities held in some kind of superposition? Hell if I know?
I like how Stephen Hawking asks "how do we know time only moves forward? Would you be able to tell if it stood still or went backwards?"

Can you explain how he thought time could bend? I do not understand that.

The twin paradox is often referred  to for an explanation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox

[Bitcoin-hotep]

In that case I partially agree with you.
The concept of time just depends on in what way look at it. We made several concepts that everyone uses.

That is the same with length and math. Why do we say that a certain length is one meter? Just agreements everybody uses.

Exactly, meters are not real, but the "time is not real" statement is actually going a step further. Meters are measuring a distance between two things, time is measuring an illusion given to us by light and movement.

[Bitcoin-hotep]

I think of it as time does not exist independent of an observer. If all of us were gone tomorrow then there is no time, as it is only our perception that creates time. To some physicists, everything that has, could, or will happen is there. It is our brain that perceives us as moving through these possibilities and causes the phenomena of time.

Mind blowing stuff.  

Again, you are not proving times existence, you are just stating that it "seems to go by" to you. But again, you are acting like your perception of light, distance, etc matter, when all that matters here is "Is there a substance called time, and if not what exactly are we calling time" and what we are calling time is "Movement and change" which is NOT "time".

Oh, I'm not claiming to understand. I'm at a loss. It is weird though how we think of time as movement. Is it that we are moving through the matrix of possibilities held in some kind of superposition? Hell if I know?
I like how Stephen Hawking asks "how do we know time only moves forward? Would you be able to tell if it stood still or went backwards?"

I have been talking to a few people about time, and the idea of infinite time. And there is a guy that says that it has been researched, and if the universe was infinite, and had no beginning or end, we would never reach the present moment. BUT, my question is, what if we AREN'T in the present moment and time has some form of layers. Like it is infinite, but in a circle.

[Hazir]

Time is simply motion and space, and time can be easily measured. The events that consisted with a particular moment and area in time-space are actual in regards to our own universe. Positive acclimation of time is what makes the world go round, and thus, the transverse (negative acclimation through time) must be present as well. Acceleration of time is possible and has been conclusively proven, and deceleration and reversal of time may be possible too

[Bitcoin-hotep]

Time is simply motion and space, and time can be easily measured. The events that consisted with a particular moment and area in time-space are actual in regards to our own universe. Positive acclimation of time is what makes the world go round, and thus, the transverse (negative acclimation through time) must be present as well. Acceleration of time is possible and has been conclusively proven, and deceleration and reversal of time may be possible too

You are talking about "Space-Time" not "Time"

[hoewer4what]

Definitively universal time clock does not exist, but saying time does not exist is like saying space does not exist.