Who is Satoshi Nakamoto?

[FortuneFollower]

Satoshi Nakamoto is clearly a time-traveling alien who invented Bitcoin to fund his intergalactic pizza cravings!

Damn, and so the thread was bumped and reborn 

[DenBlad]

hal finney

[dasein2249]

I was reading through the Satoshi-Sirius emails and this signature from Satoshi caught my attention.

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

From email #41:


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[EarnOnVictor]

Satoshi Nakamoto is clearly a time-traveling alien who invented Bitcoin to fund his intergalactic pizza cravings!

Damn, and so the thread was bumped and reborn 

@around78, whoa, that's a brilliant one, alien indeed, but this must be a good alien that put the interest of the earth first, he/they/it deserves the best respect...

@FortuneFollower, this thread is even one of those threads that shouldn't go extinct if I were a moderator, topics like this should always be the first to see for people's consumption and avoid repetition. You hardly see the thread with that huge number of pages, not to mention that it's linked to the main Bitcoin man.

[garlonicon]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

[summonerrk]

Today I was thinking about the articles on exposing Satoshi. But you know what - I think we will never know who he was. The thing is that only a person who thinks very big and at the same time outside the box could have come up with the blockchain.
Such an idea could have come from someone whose priority is not making money, but an attempt to launch a mechanism for changing the world order by creating new economic rules. And he succeeded. And we are used to those who reveal their identity at the end, but I am sure that the person whose qualities I described above will never come out of the shadows.
He simply does not need it.

[legiteum]

Nobody knows. But here's my guess: Satoshi was a worker at either the CIA or the NSA.

Why is this plausible? Here are the factors:

1. Both of these organizations have workers who would have the technical expertise that Satoshi demonstrated.

2. They both would have workers who would also know tradecraft well enough to remain anonymous (which is not easy when so many are looking for you).

3. A project like Bitcoin could have been started as an experiment to create a honeypot for money traffickers, etc., and the experiment "got out of hand" and became very popular. And what would you do if you were this worker? Basically what Satoshi did: bail out and let the public sector take over the project.

4. Only the CIA/NSA could walk away from $60 billion, chalking it up to the cost of doing business (e.g. keeping their secret capabilities secret).

5. The only other plausible explanation is that Satoshi was just some individual who died and left no trace of who he was--which has all kinds of practical problems with it (e.g. why wouldn't somebody around him figure it out).

I realize this is just a theory, but I think my theory is better than all of the other theories .

[Plasticites]

Bart Prenee (and David Chaum) both Len Sassamans doctoral advisors but well focus on Bart, co-authored papers with 9 of the 47 people in attendance at the #2 Reference in the Bitcoin whitepaper:

 “[2] H. Massias, X.S. Avila, and J.-J. Quisquater, “Design of a secure timestamping service with minimal trust requirements,” In 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux, May 1999.”

One of the 47 in attendance was Bart Preneels academic advisor, Joos Vandewalle who was one of the 47 attendees of the whitepaper's [2] reference.

Add in the double spacing used in Lens writings, as well as Lens close relationship with Hal Finney, there’s so many things that line up that in my opinion that keeps Len in the spotlight as a potential Satoshi Nakamoto candidate.

Len also owned a physical copy and was in attendance for the “In 23rd Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux” which I’m guessing was a couple years later.

He’s got a history of using British spellings on his twitter. The same words Satoshi used when communicating: flat, grey, bloody. There’s photographic proof but I can’t add a screenshot for some reason.

Anyways, just more very interesting reading and a rabbit hole to go down. I’ve got screenshots that show examples but not sure how to post them here.

Images:
https://ibb.co/VSR6xZB
https://ibb.co/C9scvsg

[DenBlad]

block 78, Hal Finney.
He has a list of things he did for Bitcoin and was the second miner on the network.

[legiteum]

block 78, Hal Finney.
He has a list of things he did for Bitcoin and was the second miner on the network.

The problem with it being Hal Finney or any of the other known characters is that it doesn't add up: why would anybody want to keep it a secret? And why wouldn't they cash in their $60 billion? (Or, if they lost their keys to the 1M Bitcoin, why wouldn't they just say that and help the price of Bitcoin?).

And remember that this wasn't always $60 billion. Even when Bitcoin was at $1000, somebody would have to turn their nose up at $1 billion--or even less. Had the holder of the 1M Bitcoin been alive and owned it personally, they would have started selling when Bitcoin was $100 or less most likely.

For me, the only possibilities that are plausible is that either Satoshi is dead or he is CIA/NSA. Only a government (and frankly, only the US government) could let $60 billion just sit there.

[Plasticites]

block 78, Hal Finney.
He has a list of things he did for Bitcoin and was the second miner on the network.

The problem with it being Hal Finney or any of the other known characters is that it doesn't add up: why would anybody want to keep it a secret? And why wouldn't they cash in their $60 billion? (Or, if they lost their keys to the 1M Bitcoin, why wouldn't they just say that and help the price of Bitcoin?).

And remember that this wasn't always $60 billion. Even when Bitcoin was at $1000, somebody would have to turn their nose up at $1 billion--or even less. Had the holder of the 1M Bitcoin been alive and owned it personally, they would have started selling when Bitcoin was $100 or less most likely.

For me, the only possibilities that are plausible is that either Satoshi is dead or he is CIA/NSA. Only a government (and frankly, only the US government) could let $60 billion just sit there.

Who’s to say that Satoshi is still alive?

[dasein2249]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

Ah, oh well. Reading through all of Satoshi’s messages makes me think they were Canadian or from the US and studied abroad for awhile.

Part of me thinks the English spelling was intentional misdirection. Satoshi sounds a lol like a Calofornian or west coast USA to me.

[legiteum]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

Ah, oh well. Reading through all of Satoshi’s messages makes me think they were Canadian or from the US and studied abroad for awhile.

Part of me thinks the English spelling was intentional misdirection. Satoshi sounds a lol like a Calofornian or west coast USA to me.

More evidence that Satoshi was a front for a person or a team that knew their tradecraft, i.e. CIA/NSA.

[dasein2249]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

Ah, oh well. Reading through all of Satoshi’s messages makes me think they were Canadian or from the US and studied abroad for awhile.

Part of me thinks the English spelling was intentional misdirection. Satoshi sounds a lol like a Calofornian or west coast USA to me.

More evidence that Satoshi was a front for a person or a team that knew their tradecraft, i.e. CIA/NSA.

The team idea is definitely possible imo. I had a buddy from the Bay Area that went to college in Scotland and then moved to London. He's lived there ever since.

He talks a lot like how Satoshi writes. Sounds American but uses random English words like rubbish. Also inconsistently uses "s" or "z" like Satoshi too.

Whether CIA/NSA/team whatever, I think Satoshi was from the US and just lived overseas for a significant period of time.

[Plasticites]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

Ah, oh well. Reading through all of Satoshi’s messages makes me think they were Canadian or from the US and studied abroad for awhile.

Part of me thinks the English spelling was intentional misdirection. Satoshi sounds a lol like a Calofornian or west coast USA to me.

More evidence that Satoshi was a front for a person or a team that knew their tradecraft, i.e. CIA/NSA.

The team idea is definitely possible imo. I had a buddy from the Bay Area that went to college in Scotland and then moved to London. He's lived there ever since.

He talks a lot like how Satoshi writes. Sounds American but uses random English words like rubbish. Also inconsistently uses "s" or "z" like Satoshi too.

Whether CIA/NSA/team whatever, I think Satoshi was from the US and just lived overseas for a significant period of time.

Len Sassaman was an American who lived in Belgium for years up until his death.

His academic advisors were David Chaum and Bart Preneel. Preneel wrote papers with 9 of the people in attendance for the [2] reference in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

Preneels advisor, Joose Vandewalle was one of the 47 people in attendance for the [2] reference in the Bitcoin referenced above.

If you click the photos I included in my message above, there’s also proof of double spacing and on his twitter, instances of him using the same British spellings of words Satoshi used.

Not to mention Hal Finney and Len Sassaman had a close relationship. Len being friends and advised by HalvFinney and David Chaum, living in Belgium as an American for a long period of time..idk, there’s more to put together with him than anyone else imo.

[Plasticites]

Blackberry?? Satoshi being a Canadian cybersecurity expert working for RIM would make a lot of sense imo.

1. Those are just some ads, added by SourceForge. Nothing special. Free e-mail boxes just contained ads in the past, and it is normal. To remove them, you need to use some paid version.
2. Satoshi used Japanese version of Windows XP, it is very unlikely, that he was "a Canadian cybersecurity expert".

Ah, oh well. Reading through all of Satoshi’s messages makes me think they were Canadian or from the US and studied abroad for awhile.

Part of me thinks the English spelling was intentional misdirection. Satoshi sounds a lol like a Calofornian or west coast USA to me.

More evidence that Satoshi was a front for a person or a team that knew their tradecraft, i.e. CIA/NSA.

The team idea is definitely possible imo. I had a buddy from the Bay Area that went to college in Scotland and then moved to London. He's lived there ever since.

He talks a lot like how Satoshi writes. Sounds American but uses random English words like rubbish. Also inconsistently uses "s" or "z" like Satoshi too.

Whether CIA/NSA/team whatever, I think Satoshi was from the US and just lived overseas for a significant period of time.

Len Sassaman was an American who lived in Belgium for years up until his death.

His academic advisors were David Chaum and Bart Preneel. Preneel wrote papers with 9 of the people in attendance for the [2] reference in the Bitcoin whitepaper.

Preneels advisor, Joos Vandewalle was one of the 47 people in attendance for the [2] reference in the Bitcoin referenced above.

If you click the photos I included in my message above, there’s also proof of double spacing and on his twitter, instances of him using the same British spellings of words Satoshi used.

Not to mention Hal Finney and Len Sassaman had a close relationship. Len being friends and advised by HalvFinney and David Chaum, living in Belgium as an American for a long period of time..idk, there’s more to put together with him than anyone else imo.

[dasein2249]

Len checks the most boxes for sure.

But the part that seems strange to me is that cypherpunks and usual Satoshi candidates are experts in cryptography.

From everything I've read from other cryptography experts is that Satoshi didn't have a deep understanding of cryptography. Sure they had enough knowledge to develop Bitcoin, and that is impressive in its own right, but nothing points to Satoshi as having more than just a basic understanding of cryptography.

Also some design choices around privacy and security don't match with the cypherpunk ethos imo. 

[dasein2249]

Found some interesting posts in the old cypherpunk archives. The anonymous messages in Sep 1999.

It’s very similar to Satoshi.

https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=96968734909750&w=2

There are multiple posts and references to the Crypto 99 conference in Santa Barbara, CA.

I think these posts are from Satoshi.

One message is signed “ECashRumorMonger” lol

Ok… I think Satoshi is Adam Laurie…seriously or Ben Laurie or both

https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=100657316822429&w=2

[CoreDev]

Probably Adam Back for several reasons. He invented Hashcash which is used in the bitcoin mining process.

Back was the second person Satoshi reached out to with the earliest draft of the Bitcoin whitepaper, still he acted
like a noob on the forums to throw people of.

Adam Back was a pioneer in the field of cryptography, and his contributions to the Cypherpunk movement were very
important. He was an active participant in the group's debates, and his Hashcash function inspired the development
of other algorithms and programmes by his fellow Cypherpunks, such as Hal Finney's RPoW and Bitcoin.

Not only does Back have a Ph.D. in computer science and a history of studying cryptography in academia, but he has
also built his whole career on ideas that are central to Bitcoin.  He is the CEO of Blockstream, which he co-founded
in 2014 and I feel it´s his way to get back into control of bitcoin.

He also writes in the same way as Satoshi.

[dasein2249]

Probably Adam Back for several reasons. He invented Hashcash which is used in the bitcoin mining process.

Back was the second person Satoshi reached out to with the earliest draft of the Bitcoin whitepaper, still he acted
like a noob on the forums to throw people of.

Adam Back was a pioneer in the field of cryptography, and his contributions to the Cypherpunk movement were very
important. He was an active participant in the group's debates, and his Hashcash function inspired the development
of other algorithms and programmes by his fellow Cypherpunks, such as Hal Finney's RPoW and Bitcoin.

Not only does Back have a Ph.D. in computer science and a history of studying cryptography in academia, but he has
also built his whole career on ideas that are central to Bitcoin.  He is the CEO of Blockstream, which he co-founded
in 2014 and I feel it´s his way to get back into control of bitcoin.

He also writes in the same way as Satoshi.

I haven’t found any evidence to definitively say it’s not Adam Back. But he would have had to go to great lengths with emailing himself back and forth and posting replies to himself on the old cypherpunk mailing list and forums

All possible but would be bizarre haha.

This for example:
https://marc.info/?l=cypherpunks&m=95280154629912&w=2

And these: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/bitcoin-adam-backs-complete-emails-satoshi-nakamoto