Everyone is under government surveillance now – Snowden

[bryant.coleman]

http://rt.com/news/156660-snowden-everyone-under-surveillance

"It's no longer based on the traditional practice of targeted taps based on some individual suspicion of wrongdoing," Snowden said in the brief video. "It covers phone calls, emails, texts, search history, what you buy, who your friends are, where you go, who you love." Snowden’s video link was screened during a Munk debate in Toronto, where former US National Security Administration director General Michael Hayden and Harvard law Professor Alan Dershowitz went head to head with Glen Greenwald and Reddit co-founder Alexis Ohanian over government surveillance.

So how many people here are disagreeing with Snowden?

[freedomno1]

Think they are few in number despite what the media in the US portrays it as
Yes the gov spy on you for our own protection
Bollocks
You were never going to tell us in the first place
The Gov haven't started Microchipping babies at birth yet but that's where this rabbit hole goes
Advertise as we can link it to your bio rhythms and provide quality health care and mobile banking while tracing your movements (classified)

[shorena]

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So how many people here are disagreeing with Snowden?

Is this still something one can disagree? I was under the impression that the evidence provided by the press is overwhelming. The only question left I see is:
what are you gonna do about it?

[hilariousandco]

So how many people here are disagreeing with Snowden?

What's to disagree on? It's a fact that this is happening. What really surprises me is just how many people don't seem to care at all, or about what the ramifications of this are. You might be of the opinion that if you're doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide, but everybody has things they don't want somebody or everybody else knowing nor is it anybody else's business to know.

[bryant.coleman]

Is this still something one can disagree? I was under the impression that the evidence provided by the press is overwhelming. The only question left I see is:
what are you gonna do about it?

What we can do about it? In 99.999% of the cases, a normal internet user don't have the tech capabilities that an average NSA techie posses. Nothing can be done other than complaining in forums such as this one.

[hilariousandco]

Is this still something one can disagree? I was under the impression that the evidence provided by the press is overwhelming. The only question left I see is:
what are you gonna do about it?

What we can do about it? In 99.999% of the cases, a normal internet user don't have the tech capabilities that an average NSA techie posses. Nothing can be done other than complaining in forums such as this one.

There's plenty of stuff you can do. Just complaining about it on forums is the *least* you can do. People need to protest this stuff loudly and also stop supporting corporations that comply or help the NSA. Companies like Apple will soon get the message when their sales figures plummet.

[Balthazar]

I2P is a solution of this problem.

[shorena]

Is this still something one can disagree? I was under the impression that the evidence provided by the press is overwhelming. The only question left I see is:
what are you gonna do about it?

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a normal internet user
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I dont think the normal internet users are using bitcoin allready. And there are many people out there doing something.



...well make ourselfs a gnu one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzbeETRAjN4

But every single person that can read a wiki and install tools can do something. You can use encryption, you can support free software, use bitcoin, etc. pp.
You can get rid of old happits/tools that make it easy for the NSA and other organisations and upgrade to hard crypto.

http://prism-break.org/en/

And you can helps others doing the same. You can talk to others about this especially those that say "but I dont have something to hide" (my answer: while you might not, maybe your children have or your grandchildren).

[bryant.coleman]

I2P is a solution of this problem.

I am hearing a lot about the Invisible Internet Project (I2P) lately. How is it any more secure when compared to the TOR browser. I thought that TOR was very much safe and secure.  

[Hazir]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

[Wilikon]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

I will update this thread with a "Wow!" if that ever happen. Not the fact he may release something, but to have a politician resign because of it

[Hazir]

I2P is a solution of this problem.

I am hearing a lot about the Invisible Internet Project (I2P) lately. How is it any more secure when compared to the TOR browser. I thought that TOR was very much safe and secure.  

Haha, there is nothing safe and secure when comes to digital data. Everything can be traced, spied and stolen. If someone really wanted to know what you are doing there is no way to stop them.

[bryant.coleman]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

The politicians are a thick bunch. It will take nothing short of a miracle to force them to resign. And in my opinion, Snowden has already released much of the data, such as the Americans spying on Merkel.

[hilariousandco]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

Haha. I'll believe it when I see it. The stuff he already has released should've been enough to cause several high-ranking members of the USG to either resign or be prosecuted. What is he apparently going to release now, and where have you got this info from?

[guybrushthreepwood]

At what point does this surveillance stop? It seems we can't really do anything digitally as it'll just be logged and recorded somewhere. This mass surveillance doesn’t solve anything, it just punishes ordinary people because the criminals and terrorists who have something to hide will just find better ways to protect and hide themselves.

[Spendulus]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

I don't suppose we here in the US would be so lucky...

[bryant.coleman]

lol... check this:

http://www.tweetzup.com/nsa?interval=20375128

#SNOWDEN has been trending for 2 hours on the NSA page.

[u9y42]

Next week Snowden will release more details that will force many current world leaders to resign.

lol... check this:

http://www.tweetzup.com/nsa?interval=20375128

#SNOWDEN has been trending for 2 hours on the NSA page.

Nice going Hazir...

Think they are few in number despite what the media in the US portrays it as
Yes the gov spy on you for our own protection
Bollocks
You were never going to tell us in the first place
The Gov haven't started Microchipping babies at birth yet but that's where this rabbit hole goes
Advertise as we can link it to your bio rhythms and provide quality health care and mobile banking while tracing your movements (classified)

They already trace your every move if you usually carry a cell phone with you (provided it has a battery in it). Here's an example from Germany: http://www.zeit.de/datenschutz/malte-spitz-data-retention. Notice that what is shown in the site is information of where the phone (person) has been over a six month period, and with a high level of detail to boot (plus all the additional metadata, such as calls made, received, duration, etc).

[bryant.coleman]

A rare positive news....

Sites defy govt, notify users of data demands

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60052330/sites-defy-govt-notify-users-of-data-demands.html

Major US technology companies have largely ended the practice of quietly complying with investigators' demands for email records and other online data, saying that users have a right to know in advance when their information is targeted for government seizure. This increasingly defiant industry stand is giving some of the tens of thousands of Americans whose internet data gets swept into criminal investigations each year the opportunity to fight in court to prevent disclosures. Prosecutors, however, warn that tech companies may undermine cases by tipping off criminals, giving them time to destroy vital electronic evidence before it can be gathered.

[u9y42]

A rare positive news....

Sites defy govt, notify users of data demands

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/60052330/sites-defy-govt-notify-users-of-data-demands.html

Major US technology companies have largely ended the practice of quietly complying with investigators' demands for email records and other online data, saying that users have a right to know in advance when their information is targeted for government seizure. This increasingly defiant industry stand is giving some of the tens of thousands of Americans whose internet data gets swept into criminal investigations each year the opportunity to fight in court to prevent disclosures. Prosecutors, however, warn that tech companies may undermine cases by tipping off criminals, giving them time to destroy vital electronic evidence before it can be gathered.

Sadly, I doubt they'll really go through with it. They probably want the positive publicity associated with it, but are either powerless to carry through with it or unwilling to do so... after all, it would cost them money to put up a real fight. Also, they have probably seen what happened to the few companies that tried that already.