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May 04, 2014, 12:22:35 PM
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more and more creative ways to scam....what will be the next "big thing?"  and who has the balls to bring out all the secret conspiracies being discussed?

Obviously took some effort to think this one out....whats it going to be next?



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May 04, 2014, 12:27:39 PM
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Whoever it is put alot of thought into this one and had know how. Some people are very threatened by any alt that *may* take a little market share away from the big pie. Perhaps the powers that be are trying really hard to damage the reputation of the alt communities.

The best thing to do from this point forward (some of us have already been doing it) is to stay away from the shiny object of the day, and only trust coins we compile ourselves that come from reputable repos.

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May 04, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
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Whoever it is put alot of thought into this one and had know how. Some people are very threatened by any alt that *may* take a little market share away from the big pie. Perhaps the powers that be are trying really hard to damage the reputation of the alt communities.

The best thing to do from this point forward (some of us have already been doing it) is to stay away from the shiny object of the day, and only trust coins we compile ourselves that come from reputable repos.

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May 04, 2014, 12:29:48 PM
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We have to ask ourselves, who has the most to lose from any alternative becoming successful? Then we have to ask ourselves who determines the success.. Since most alts are valued solely in btc.. who are the gatekeepers?

Its like putting the wolves in charge of the chicken coop.

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May 04, 2014, 01:16:04 PM
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Most coins take a little off the top with a premine.

In Soviet Asia, coin maker take everything and give you premine!

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May 04, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
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We have to ask ourselves, who has the most to lose from any alternative becoming successful? Then we have to ask ourselves who determines the success.. Since most alts are valued solely in btc.. who are the gatekeepers?

Its like putting the wolves in charge of the chicken coop.



I think its time to open a conspiracy theory thread.....lets put the pieces together Wink

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May 04, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
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This hidden premine is a shame. Thanks God I'm not holding it.
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May 04, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
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The scam was very clever in that it encouraged early hoarding vs dumping with a 100% PoS reward for the first year. The 'dev' dumped the hidden pre-mine while speculators hoarded, maximizing their selling price. Had it not been discovered when it was, it could have been far worse.
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May 04, 2014, 06:13:13 PM
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The thing that I find most bothersome is that exchanges never vetted the coin, evidently. I also don't know how the coin got listed on the bigger exchanges to begin with, unless money changed hands.
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May 04, 2014, 06:35:46 PM
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Blinded by greed everyone got owned hard.

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May 04, 2014, 06:45:18 PM
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Blinded by greed everyone got owned hard.

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May 05, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
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Scam coins could be a good thing. I don't know about Joe down the street but I look a lot harder at proven, established coins now. Sure the profits are smaller and take longer but at least you know the coins going to be around next week.

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May 06, 2014, 12:01:53 AM
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We need to establish a coin code certification program, would basically be community managed and funded we can hire a team of coders to inspect and certify that the given coin code is free of malicious modifications.

What do you all think ?

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Last edit: May 06, 2014, 12:33:05 AM by kalus
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We need to establish a coin code certification program, would basically be community managed and funded we can hire a team of coders to inspect and certify that the given coin code is free of malicious modifications.

What do you all think ?
this is an idea that smacks of effort, centralisation, and bureaucracy.

people design asic-resistance into coins, but no person on earth can design greed-resistance into unregulated cryptocurrency.  the only reason why there was any kind of 'scam' in asiacoin was becuase people decided they could make some quick cash.  those bagholders got exactly what they deserved because any get-rich-quick speculator is either ignorant or in denial about where the value of a new coin comes from:  other fucking bagholders.  can't 'certify' against ignorance.

a 'certification program' is idiotic, because the user that would find it most useful essentially abdicates whatever minimal,personal responsibility to do their own homework and due diligence into an investment.  the complete lack of research most do before real time and cash into a project is fucking astounding.  can't 'certify' against stupid.

protect yourself with a 'self certification' - your bullshit detector is simple, and its effectiveness has long predated the beginning of alternative blockchains and currencies:

1. use some common sense - get rich quick schemes are zero sum at the expense of a bagholder.

2. use some common sense - if it's too good to be true, it probably is.  stay the fuck away from 'too good to be true'.  

3. use some common sense - for fucks sake, stop buying currencies on speculation, and start mining it with hardware you can break-even on.

4. use some common sense - if you can't vet the source code yourself, stay the fuck away.  that means missing out on most initial mines.  

5. use some common sense - stay the fuck away from 90% of the existing exchanges.

5. use some common sense - use your fucking common sense.

there's many more good ideas floating around, but these are the main ones off the top of my head.  


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May 06, 2014, 02:15:36 AM
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only trust coins we compile ourselves that come from reputable repos.
If you don't read the code you compile it doesn't change a thing.

I do not read the code I compile, most people don't read the code they compile. Most people (me included) expect someone will do it. Scammers know all too well these facts.

Open source gives a false feeling of security. Openess is worth nothing if it is not checked.

That's why open source software is secure ONLY if it is popular. And no altcoin less than 3 months old is popular enough (and 3 month old is very optimistic);

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May 06, 2014, 04:49:55 AM
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The thing that I find most bothersome is that exchanges never vetted the coin, evidently. I also don't know how the coin got listed on the bigger exchanges to begin with, unless money changed hands.

No SEC. No FDIC. No central bank. No audits. No rules. No regulations.

Put simply, exchanges don't have to do shit. They don't have to answer for shit. They don't have to tell you shit. They can be the most corrupt greedy bastards on the planet, steal all your coins, and simply walk away. And the best part is, you can't do shit about it.

Welcome to reality friend. The exchanges are going to do whatever the hell they want to make the most money. If that means taking a percentage by posting a known scam coin, you can sure as hell bet they'll do it. They can/have/will straight-up lie to your face. What are you going to do about it? Take your coins elsewhere? Go ahead....awww....are you having withdrawal problems? Well golly gee will get someone to work on that right away! In the meantime you can try visiting our new site: 404 Not Found So Fuck You And Thanks For The Coins.

Treat exchanges and new coins like they're being run by greedy assholes with no morals and no laws. You'll be a lot better off.

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May 06, 2014, 04:56:22 AM
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The thing that I find most bothersome is that exchanges never vetted the coin, evidently. I also don't know how the coin got listed on the bigger exchanges to begin with, unless money changed hands.

No SEC. No FDIC. No central bank. No audits. No rules. No regulations.

Put simply, exchanges don't have to do shit. They don't have to answer for shit. They don't have to tell you shit. They can be the most corrupt greedy bastards on the planet, steal all your coins, and simply walk away. And the best part is, you can't do shit about it.

Welcome to reality friend. The exchanges are going to do whatever the hell they want to make the most money. If that means taking a percentage by posting a known scam coin, you can sure as hell bet they'll do it. They can/have/will straight-up lie to your face. What are you going to do about it? Take your coins elsewhere? Go ahead....awww....are you having withdrawal problems? Well golly gee will get someone to work on that right away! In the meantime you can try visiting our new site: 404 Not Found So Fuck You And Thanks For The Coins.

Treat exchanges and new coins like they're being run by greedy assholes with no morals and no laws. You'll be a lot better off.

This is awesome. All new coins are garbage get rich schemes. Smart money invests in the older currencies and doesnt let their coins sit on an exchange.
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May 06, 2014, 06:10:32 AM
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The get rich quick coins schemes started long ago with feather coin.
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May 09, 2014, 11:53:40 AM
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We have to ask ourselves, who has the most to lose from any alternative becoming successful? Then we have to ask ourselves who determines the success.. Since most alts are valued solely in btc.. who are the gatekeepers?

Its like putting the wolves in charge of the chicken coop.

so few get this

Who has at least 12-15% of the BTC?
How did they get all those coins?

and

Why do all alts rise and fall with btc?

We are [alt communities]

All anti big guys mining and controling within but few point to the well document facts of the BTC realm.

But our day will come my alt friends.  Our job is to have fair and sqaure alternatives to the BTC fiasco.



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May 09, 2014, 12:50:58 PM
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I don't think a 'certification program' is idiotic, ...  It bothers all because it goes against the beloved hippie "decentralization" concept.
If that is the case,  maybe don't see it as a mandatory thing but as an optional step that some coins can do with a third party service in order to provide security,  similar to a PCI compliance certification. 

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