Looking for Development Mentor (KLYEMAX.COM)

[MRKLYE]

So the "talent" are going to be your employees?  This is getting interesting...

Absolutely they are going to be my employees. Are Hugh Hiefner's bunnies not his employees?

The bunnies that have taxes withed and medical insurance provided are, yes

Taxes and polysporin! What porn dreams are made of! (jokes)

[cooldgamer]

So the "talent" are going to be your employees?  This is getting interesting...

Absolutely they are going to be my employees. Are Hugh Hiefner's bunnies not his employees?

The bunnies that have taxes withed and medical insurance provided are, yes

Taxes and polysporin! What porn dreams are made of! (jokes)

Can't wait to see how this turns out

[MRKLYE]

IPO shares SOLD!

Congrats to the investors that got in on the first round shares. Klyemax plans to bring you live adult web based entertainment as soon as possible! We will be piggybacking off other sites until we can get ours up and tested.

Cheers all!

[ABitInterested]

Well, I wish everyone involved lots of luck but don't see this one doing to well. The horrible math and complete misunderstanding of the industry aren't great indicators.

Klye, if you ever need some advice shoot me a PM.

[MRKLYE]

Well, I wish everyone involved lots of luck but don't see this one doing to well. The horrible math and complete misunderstanding of the industry aren't great indicators.

Klye, if you ever need some advice shoot me a PM.

Why would I need advice from someone with a negative rep and terrible misdemeanor? I'll let my shareholders and myself guide this venture instead of trolls thank you..

[ABitInterested]

Well, I wish everyone involved lots of luck but don't see this one doing to well. The horrible math and complete misunderstanding of the industry aren't great indicators.

Klye, if you ever need some advice shoot me a PM.

Why would I need advice from someone with a negative rep and terrible misdemeanor? I'll let my shareholders and myself guide this venture instead of trolls thank you..

Because your numbers will never work out for investors or for the business to survive. Your investors have zero knowledge of the webcam industry or they wouldn't have sent you a cent so relying on your collective knowledge to "guide the way" isn't going to magically make your shoddy math work out.

Good luck to all of you though, may you learn cheap.

[fluffypony]

Well, I wish everyone involved lots of luck but don't see this one doing to well. The horrible math and complete misunderstanding of the industry aren't great indicators.

Klye, if you ever need some advice shoot me a PM.

Why would I need advice from someone with a negative rep and terrible misdemeanor? I'll let my shareholders and myself guide this venture instead of trolls thank you..

Ooof. Dude. His single negative trust rating was because he was a new user doing an IPO. Nevertheless, he has consistently paid dividends and proven himself a relatively stable and reliable operator thus-far. I have no doubt he can ask Tomatocage to remove the negative trust rating at this juncture.

On that topic: he's in the XXX space at the moment, and is running a site that is consistently earning money. Maybe instead of being an asshat you should humble yourself, acknowledge you don't know everything, and get some advice from someone who is already successful in this space? Then again, that's probably something you should have done at the outset.

Full disclaimer: I hold no shares in XXXProfit, and was quietly critical of it at the beginning. My opinion has changed over time, although my shareholding has not.

[ABitInterested]

Ooof. Dude. His single negative trust rating was because he was a new user doing an IPO. Nevertheless, he has consistently paid dividends and proven himself a relatively stable and reliable operator thus-far. I have no doubt he can ask Tomatocage to remove the negative trust rating at this juncture.

On that topic: he's in the XXX space at the moment, and is running a site that is consistently earning money. Maybe instead of being an asshat you should humble yourself, acknowledge you don't know everything, and get some advice from someone who is already successful in this space? Then again, that's probably something you should have done at the outset.

Full disclaimer: I hold no shares in XXXProfit, and was quietly critical of it at the beginning. My opinion has changed over time, although my shareholding has not.

It's hard to find the signal from the noise here sometime but I have been involved with webcams going back 13+ years. I have worked directly with models and program owners.

Anyhow Klye, I don't sit around rooting for anyone to go bust. That said, some of the numbers and plans you have really need to be reconsidered while you are still sitting on most of the money you collected.

I don't mind posting publicly if you don't care, I just didn't want to write a wall of text that you were sure to ignore.

Again, let me know if you decide you want some unsolicited advice.

[Rupture]

Hi,

Who is your developer or development firm? What technology are you using for streaming? What content distribution network are you using?

[ABitInterested]

Hi,

Who is your developer or development firm? What technology are you using for streaming? What content distribution network are you using?

As I'm sure he will confirm (seems to be truthful about his inexperience) there is no firm. You won't find a legitimate firm for $10,000.

[Rupture]

Hi,

Who is your developer or development firm? What technology are you using for streaming? What content distribution network are you using?

As I'm sure he will confirm (seems to be truthful about his inexperience) there is no firm. You won't find a legitimate firm for $10,000.

Well, video streaming CDNs cost quite a bit too.. You are aware that bandwidth costs ~$250 (for your scale of volume) for a 3hr show with 1.2k viewers (480p)?

If you want "HD 1080p".. that cost rises up to ~$1000.

"The average 2-4 hour show can net anywhere's between $100-$300+ worth of tips."

Your 10% cut (what, $20) is not going to pay your bandwidth bills (min $250, $1k+ for 1080p).

If you pay >$xx,xxx a month in streaming you can about half the costs, if you pay >$xxx,xxx a month you can about quarter it.

See now why the cam sites charge models about ~50%? (No, you will get banned on Chaturbate and every other cam site if you keep trying to get people to tip bitcoin and bypass their cut). It's not because they are greedy, it's because bandwidth is expensive when you are streaming video.

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So, your new allocation:

60% of the tips goes to the bandwidth (assuming 480p)
15% of the tips goes to the investors. (proportionately split up into % of shares owned by any given shareholder)
15% of the tips are kept by Klyemax Studio for costs related to running the business. (Space rental, electricity, etc etc)
10% of the tips go to the talent.

I'm sure many of the talent would be super interested in signing up.

For god's sake talk to a systems analyst before you start an IT business venture. Bandwidth is expensive. Economics of scale applies.

[ABitInterested]

He said that in the beginning they would just be using Chaturbate anyhow. I'm sure it will be decided that there is no reason to change that once he inquires about the actual logistics of building your own site where investing 7 figures isn't even a guarantee that you'll have 50 freeloaders on the site at a time.

[MRKLYE]

Nice to came back and see a troll circle jerk again on this thread. *shakes head*

I'm not sure where you live but bandwidth is affordable here.

"Well, video streaming CDNs cost quite a bit too.. You are aware that bandwidth costs ~$250 (for your scale of volume) for a 3hr show with 1.2k viewers (480p)?" - "rupture"

^ where are you pulling these silly numbers from? In no way does a 480P stream lasting 3 hours cost $250. That is ridiculous even to think about let alone actually write on a public forum. -_-

I understand you boys sitting there trying to debunk the possibility of what I am trying to achieve. I'd be pissed to if I was paying $250 a month for terrible internet. The distribution network I plan to set up is my own. Until that time we will use other cam sites to distribute talent and video. Think about what you have said for a second regarding the infrastructure and bandwidth. Get realistic for a second and please circlejerk one another elsewhere.

Also I am a bit confused.. Is "ABitInterested" running some xxxProfit deal? If so I'd love to speak with him regarding what his costs are.. Because frankly if he is spending $1000 a month on a business internet connection he needs to base himself somewhere else.

Cheers,

Kyle.T

[ABitInterested]

Kyle,

I have been in the adult industry for 13+ years, specifically on the webcam end of things. I know the ins and outs of that industry as well as anyone, from affiliate marketing to talent recruitment to processing, etc. I have never and will never host my own site because of the amount of capital required to do one properly and with any success.

Are you aware that simply being an affiliate of somewhere like Chaturbate, where you only make 20%, actually gives you a bigger percentage of revenue than they keep for themselves? After processing fees, chargebacks, the model split and hosting they are left with a fraction of that. They work on scale, a scale they achieved with a 7 figure investment and lots of time.

You can keep calling me a troll and that's fine. I'm simply telling you that your math sucks and hope you realize it **before** you invest a cent into your own site. I could hand you the best webcam software in the world right now for free and you would never get it off the ground for the amount of money you hope to raise in the future. If you put the entire amount towards marketing you would end with $0 and a site that has no amount of traffic or talent to speak of.

Again, good luck.

[NotLambchop]

...
I understand you boys sitting there trying to debunk the possibility of what I am trying to achieve. I'd be pissed to if I was paying $250 a month for terrible internet. The distribution network I plan to set up is my own...

I'm certain many camwhores, much like yourself, dreamed of their very own website/"distribution network."  But being somewhat more inciteful than yourself, they understood that willingness and ability to preform on cam is not a sufficient skill set for starting a business.
That's why trained bears don't own and run their own circuses.

 

[MRKLYE]

Kyle,

I have been in the adult industry for 13+ years, specifically on the webcam end of things. I know the ins and outs of that industry as well as anyone, from affiliate marketing to talent recruitment to processing, etc. I have never and will never host my own site because of the amount of capital required to do one properly and with any success.

Are you aware that simply being an affiliate of somewhere like Chaturbate, where you only make 20%, actually gives you a bigger percentage of revenue than they keep for themselves? After processing fees, chargebacks, the model split and hosting they are left with a fraction of that. They work on scale, a scale they achieved with a 7 figure investment and lots of time.

You can keep calling me a troll and that's fine. I'm simply telling you that your math sucks and hope you realize it **before** you invest a cent into your own site. I could hand you the best webcam software in the world right now for free and you would never get it off the ground for the amount of money you hope to raise in the future. If you put the entire amount towards marketing you would end with $0 and a site that has no amount of traffic or talent to speak of.

Again, good luck.

What confuses me about this is the fact that the live webcam adult entertainment industry hasn't been around for 13 years..
13 years ago we were rocking 56kbps dial up modems (or worse) and simply didn't have the processing power nor bandwidth to do what is possible now. Now not trying to call a bluff or be an ass here. But over a decade ago what we do now simply was not possible.

Now call me a dreamer, But I think you are limiting yourself with your misconceptions of what is achievable within realistic budgets.
A 7 figure budget as you pegged chaturbate to have would be > 10,000,000 and frankly I think that site was built on a small fraction of such.

I understand you trying to share your experience with me and such.. But at the end of the day you are competition and I don't expect you to offer me any real valid advice. That being said I realize we are both going after the same pie, And I don't expect you to help me.
Of course if I put it all towards marketing I would end up broke. What is the point of marketing unless you are bringing something fresh to the table? Sex sells itself, Just a matter of delivering it a fashion where it beats the next delivery medium.. Start small, get some previously unseen client interaction going and then go for advertising. If you truly have been in this business 13 years and you are still in IPO mode you are doing it wrong imho.

[NLNico]

Nice to came back and see a troll circle jerk again on this thread. *shakes head*

I'm not sure where you live but bandwidth is affordable here.

"Well, video streaming CDNs cost quite a bit too.. You are aware that bandwidth costs ~$250 (for your scale of volume) for a 3hr show with 1.2k viewers (480p)?" - "rupture"

^ where are you pulling these silly numbers from? In no way does a 480P stream lasting 3 hours cost $250. That is ridiculous even to think about let alone actually write on a public forum. -_-

I understand you boys sitting there trying to debunk the possibility of what I am trying to achieve. I'd be pissed to if I was paying $250 a month for terrible internet. The distribution network I plan to set up is my own. Until that time we will use other cam sites to distribute talent and video. Think about what you have said for a second regarding the infrastructure and bandwidth. Get realistic for a second and please circlejerk one another elsewhere.

Also I am a bit confused.. Is "ABitInterested" running some xxxProfit deal? If so I'd love to speak with him regarding what his costs are.. Because frankly if he is spending $1000 a month on a business internet connection he needs to base himself somewhere else.

Cheers,

Kyle.T

If you stream video to 1200 viewers, you are not streaming it directly to them. You stream it to a server with your "business internet connection" (which indeed can be cheap) and then the server streams it to the 1200 viewers. Obviously only in the situation of your own website and not with Chaturbate.

Rupture is talking about the bandwidth of that own server (or better: CDN) It seems you never thought about these hosting costs and I advise you to google a bit on it.

It is probably something like this:
1 HD stream Mb/s * seconds of show * viewers / ~1000 (for MB>GB - not sure if they use 1024Mb) * GB price = $... per show

So imagine your 1080P stream is 5 Mb/s and 7200 seconds for 2 hours, 1200 viewers and GB price of $0.03, it will be:
5 * 7200 * 1200 / 1000 * 0.03 = $1296 for only 1 show of 2 hours.

Of course 5 Mb/s might be lower with some compression or the right codecs I guess. And 1200 viewers is bit much probably. GB price might actually be more though. I barely know a thing about video streaming, just web development, so it might be not 100% correct. But just an example to give you an idea.

[MRKLYE]

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I understand you boys sitting there trying to debunk the possibility of what I am trying to achieve. I'd be pissed to if I was paying $250 a month for terrible internet. The distribution network I plan to set up is my own...

I'm certain many camwhores, much like yourself, dreamed of their very own website/"distribution network."  But being somewhat more inciteful than yourself, they understood that willingness and ability to preform on cam is not a sufficient skill set for starting a business.
That's why trained bears don't own and run their own circuses.

 

And wolves do not listen to the opinion of sheep (or lambs in your instance).

Starring on cam is one thing, aiming to make business out of it is another.

It's to early in the day for me to deal with this troll circlejerk.. Atleast ABitInterested has some sort of minor handle on the industry.
If I recall not a day or two ago you were asking to be shit on and fisted (or something). Please Lamb, for the love of your own reality and mine just go find someone else to entertain yourself with.. I haven't the time nor the patience for your ridiculous behavior or input.

[MRKLYE]

NLnico. I am looking over your math and you seem to be within reason saying that.

Although, Depending on who you are hosting with bandwidth is "free" meaning it is included in the package.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure most bandwidth providers have un upper level on what they are willing to offer with packages..
That being said though, When you have a private show you can be raking in $500-$1000 for an hour or two of streaming.
Multiples of that private show can easily end you on the right side of profit even if you were to have outlandish bandwidth costs.

[NotLambchop]

...When you have a private show you can be raking in $500-$1000 for an hour or two of streaming...

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The number details:
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The average 2-4 hour show can net anywhere's between $100-$300  worth of tips...

Numbers are for pussies