our USA education system sucks and is obsolete

[bitcointurn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

It makes me sad to see so many ppl talk down the arts and encourage ppl to get a "real degree" or something like that

[sana8410]

arts are great as part of the overall education but a theater degree is just going to make sure you are deep in debt and working at starbucks for the rest of your life .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

It makes me sad to optically discern so many people put down the arts and inspirit people to get a "real degree" or something like that

[Lethn]

This guy is brilliant, I haven't seen his videos for awhile, the thing is though, speaking as somebody who is studying Art and Jewellery, if you're purely after a job you won't necessarily be able to do well, especially if you go for a degree precisely because of what he's talking about. That said, I think Education is getting so bad now all you're going to have to do to get a masters degree is write several essays on whatever subject you pick ( no matter how vocational the subject is ) and this will mean that no young people will have the skills to produce and make things in their respective countries anymore.

I'm also glad to see that I'm not alone in my suspicions about ADHD, I think it's not only a case of the system itself being at fault, I'm convinced going back on my own education that teachers use ADHD or mental illness as an excuse to cover up how badly they teach. In a couple of my previous schools I ended up in those kind of catchup/'special' classes etc. ( Yes, feel free to laugh ) where they were pretty much assuming because I wasn't doing all the work and had trouble with basic mathematics I must have something wrong with me, but really all it was was that there were massive gaps in my education like being unable to do percentages or take tests because nobody had simply taken the time to explain it all to me.

Western education is a piece of shit, so it's no surprise seeing the data come out finally proving it later on.

[umair127]

This guy is brilliant, I haven't seen his videos for awhile, the thing is though, speaking as somebody who is studying Art and Jewellery, if you're purely after a job you won't necessarily be able to do well, especially if you go for a degree precisely because of what he's talking about. That said, I think Education is getting so bad now all you're going to have to do to get a masters degree is write several essays on whatever subject you pick ( no matter how vocational the subject is ) and this will mean that no young people will have the skills to produce and make things in their respective countries anymore.

I'm also glad to see that I'm not alone in my suspicions about ADHD, I think it's not only a case of the system itself being at fault, I'm convinced going back on my own education that teachers use ADHD or mental illness as an excuse to cover up how badly they teach. In a couple of my previous schools I ended up in those kind of catchup/'special' classes etc. ( Yes, feel free to laugh ) where they were pretty much assuming because I wasn't doing all the work and had trouble with basic mathematics I must have something wrong with me, but really all it was was that there were massive gaps in my education like being unable to do percentages or take tests because nobody had simply taken the time to explain it all to me.

Western education is a piece of shit, so it's no surprise seeing the data come out finally proving it later on.

Its not only the teachers fault but is also the parents fault for not fighting against a false system.  when I was 14 years old I was placed in a resouce room just because I coudnt grasp as fast as others can.  The real truth about me bieng placed in there is cause I couldnt see the black board so I would have to squint but still coulndt make out what the teacher was explaining on the board and instead of the teachers seeing that and getting me to see a doctor, they instead thought I was a slow learner, then I was in resource room which only made things worst for me because I felt like a dumb outcast. 

[umair127]

arts are great as part of the overall education but a theater degree is just going to make sure you are deep in debt and working at starbucks for the rest of your life .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U

It makes me sad to optically discern so many people put down the arts and inspirit people to get a "real degree" or something like that

arts are great as part of the overall education but a theater degree is just going to finalize thar you are in deep in debt and working as a waiter or waitress for the rest of your life .

[Lethn]

You might really like this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LelXa3U_I

[sana8410]

You might really like this as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9LelXa3U_I

Such importance is contained in this amazing speech by Sir Ken Robinson reminding us on how fast we are moving without giving regard to the qualitative development which is very much needed for mankind.

[noviapriani]

This guy is brilliant, I haven't seen his videos for awhile, the thing is though, speaking as somebody who is studying Art and Jewellery, if you're purely after a job you won't necessarily be able to do well, especially if you go for a degree precisely because of what he's talking about. That said, I think Education is getting so bad now all you're going to have to do to get a masters degree is write several essays on whatever subject you pick ( no matter how vocational the subject is ) and this will mean that no young people will have the skills to produce and make things in their respective countries anymore.

I'm also glad to see that I'm not alone in my suspicions about ADHD, I think it's not only a case of the system itself being at fault, I'm convinced going back on my own education that teachers use ADHD or mental illness as an excuse to cover up how badly they teach. In a couple of my previous schools I ended up in those kind of catchup/'special' classes etc. ( Yes, feel free to laugh ) where they were pretty much assuming because I wasn't doing all the work and had trouble with basic mathematics I must have something wrong with me, but really all it was was that there were massive gaps in my education like being unable to do percentages or take tests because nobody had simply taken the time to explain it all to me.

Western education is a piece of shit, so it's no surprise seeing the data come out finally proving it later on.

Its not only the teachers fault but is also the parents fault for not fighting against a false system.  when I was 14 years old I was placed in a resouce room just because I coudnt grasp as fast as others can.  The real truth about me bieng placed in there is cause I couldnt see the black board so I would have to squint but still coulndt make out what the teacher was explaining on the board and instead of the teachers seeing that and getting me to see a doctor, they instead thought I was a slow learner, then I was in resource room which only made things worst for me because I felt like a dumb outcast. 

Everything I needed know about life, society and inculcation I learned in kindergarten.

We edify to an educational standard, not to an employment standard. If we inculcated to an employment standard, handled properly, most people would not require to progress past the 8th grade, let alone high school or college, because the prodigious majority of jobs available in our society do not require advanced education, but on the job training.

Why do we keep wasting our money and the money of most families on having students procure a college degree with which they will be ineffective? Other than exposing our children to more socialism and feelings of entitlement or guilt?

[umair127]

This guy is brilliant, I haven't seen his videos for awhile, the thing is though, speaking as somebody who is studying Art and Jewellery, if you're purely after a job you won't necessarily be able to do well, especially if you go for a degree precisely because of what he's talking about. That said, I think Education is getting so bad now all you're going to have to do to get a masters degree is write several essays on whatever subject you pick ( no matter how vocational the subject is ) and this will mean that no young people will have the skills to produce and make things in their respective countries anymore.

I'm also glad to see that I'm not alone in my suspicions about ADHD, I think it's not only a case of the system itself being at fault, I'm convinced going back on my own education that teachers use ADHD or mental illness as an excuse to cover up how badly they teach. In a couple of my previous schools I ended up in those kind of catchup/'special' classes etc. ( Yes, feel free to laugh ) where they were pretty much assuming because I wasn't doing all the work and had trouble with basic mathematics I must have something wrong with me, but really all it was was that there were massive gaps in my education like being unable to do percentages or take tests because nobody had simply taken the time to explain it all to me.

Western education is a piece of shit, so it's no surprise seeing the data come out finally proving it later on.

Its not only the teachers fault but is also the parents fault for not fighting against a false system.  when I was 14 years old I was placed in a resouce room just because I coudnt grasp as fast as others can.  The real truth about me bieng placed in there is cause I couldnt see the black board so I would have to squint but still coulndt make out what the teacher was explaining on the board and instead of the teachers seeing that and getting me to see a doctor, they instead thought I was a slow learner, then I was in resource room which only made things worst for me because I felt like a dumb outcast. 

Everything I needed know about life, society and inculcation I learned in kindergarten.

We edify to an educational standard, not to an employment standard. If we inculcated to an employment standard, handled properly, most people would not require to progress past the 8th grade, let alone high school or college, because the prodigious majority of jobs available in our society do not require advanced education, but on the job training.

Why do we keep wasting our money and the money of most families on having students procure a college degree with which they will be ineffective? Other than exposing our children to more socialism and feelings of entitlement or guilt?

Pretty much all praised education for the act of educating, without a consideration of education as good for the masses because it just is. I expected nothing less.

This is a problem with our system. Without young minds that think they can individually make a difference, why?

Intercity schools fail not because the kids are stupid, but because they are realistically un-motivated. They understand their lot in life is limited by their environment, and they also are big believers in energy conservation.

[Nathonas]

What he talks about in the video is not just a problem with the US system, it's a problem pretty much everywhere in the world. The problem with the US system (I think) is that kids are not allowed to fail, so you bring the standards down so much so that everyone passes, and you limit bright children by forcing them to the standard.

[TaunSew]

Education reform is a false dichotomy.  The alternative is which?  You spend trillions of dollars only to produce more over-educated individuals without gainful employment?

 If you increase the standards, you would end up with Engineers and PhD Calculus serving coffee at Starbucks ~ oh wait ~ we already have that.

[Dabs]

But you know, you could get a decent full set encyclopedia (printed), like 26 volumes or more (World Book or Britannica or what have you that looks good and thick with lots of pages.)

You take the time to just read through almost everything, even skipping every other section, you will learn a lot. (No, wikipedia does not count, but its a good anyway.)

[umair127]

Education reform is a false dichotomy.  The alternative is which?  You spend trillions of dollars only to produce more over-educated individuals without gainful employment?

 If you increase the standards, you would end up with Engineers and PhD Calculus serving coffee at Starbucks ~ oh wait ~ we already have that.

Some of the best socially educated people I know could not deal with the commonality of grocery shopping, or preparing a meal using common cooking facilities and utensils, yet they are deemed "well educated".

Sorry, but even in this day and age, if your education precludes your ability to feed yourself other by ordering a pizza from Little Cesers or a sandwich from Jimmy John's, your wholeness as a human is a total fail.

[bryant.coleman]

It makes me sad to see so many ppl talk down the arts and encourage ppl to get a "real degree" or something like that

Arts should be given the importance it deserves, just like the Science and Technology branches should be given their due importance. But nowadays, far too many people are choosing the arts streams, which is creating a scarcity of people with Science and Technology degrees.

[Jcw188]

How about this: a lot has to do with the teachers.  I can count on 1 hand the number of GOOD teachers I had.  The rest I merely had to endure.  Some actually taught things like HOW to think (instead of rote memory learning) and made me think about how I was living my life.  Unfortunately with the amount of time kids spend in school you need teachers to do more of this in my opinion.  You get these boring teachers teaching kids science and tech etc. and obviously yes none are going to want to pursue it when there are more "fun" subjects like art or music.

[umair127]

How about this: a lot has to do with the teachers.  I can count on 1 hand the number of GOOD teachers I had.  The rest I merely had to endure.  Some actually taught things like HOW to think (instead of rote memory learning) and made me think about how I was living my life.  Unfortunately with the amount of time kids spend in school you need teachers to do more of this in my opinion.  You get these boring teachers teaching kids science and tech etc. and obviously yes none are going to want to pursue it when there are more "fun" subjects like art or music.

Thats because teachers are protected by a certain law, after years of working once they have protection with there seniority teachers get lazier and hence dont make educating fun for the children

[bryant.coleman]

Thats because teachers are protected by a certain law, after years of working once they have protection with there seniority teachers get lazier and hence dont make educating fun for the children

Especially in the US and the EU, the teachers are a bunch of over-paid people whose qualifications are getting less and less preferable over the years. Any attempt to weed out the under-qualified staff is met with opposition from the powerful unions. A few decades ago, the teachers cared a lot about the talent and knowledge they input among the students. Not anymore. Now their only concern is to maintain a hefty salary package and 200-day paid leave per year.

[beetcoin]

a bigger problem is how the US (and the rest of the world) overvalue standardized testing. seems they promote memorization more than they do learning. education should be not just learning, but learning through interest.

[Lethn]

That's exactly what's going on, teachers want children to memorise answers, I won't use the word 'fact' because that means that the answers people give would have to be correct, so you're having whole generations growing up not knowing basic English and Maths because everybody is so focused on these ridiculous tests. If you think I'm bad, the next generation isn't going to know the multiplication table or know how to do basic grammar soon enough and they'll leave school under false pretences and wonder why they can't even get a starting job at a food chain despite getting A's in everything because the teachers will have lied to them about their future prospects.

[Stalinist]

LIFE magazine "Crisis in education" march 1958

http://englishrussia.com/2010/05/17/life-magazine-1958/

http://oldlifemagazines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/v/cv032458.jpg


"Our sputnik moment then and now"

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/the-daily-need/our-sputnik-moment-then-and-now/7286/