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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 10, 2014, 03:54:28 PM
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Quote from: peteliu on May 10, 2014, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ams on May 06, 2014, 09:36:24 PM
央行的态度从当初五部委文件就决定了,那时国内还没出现充值码,假消息这些乱象,今日呼吁的自律从何而来?国家封比特币,根源是防洗钱,另外一个可有可无的原因是防投机。洗钱是不用说了,投机的话,国内不能开赌场,不能开体育博彩公司,不能搞六合彩,不能开私人炒汇平台,炒币和这些行为类似,也是封杀的对象。比特币有洗钱和投机这两个问题,这是绝对不合我国国情的,行业自律也没用。以色情网站为例,难道各大黄网站长来个行业自律,要求站内图片、视频,只准露两点,禁止露三点,国家就允许黄网存在了?
125文件之后,交易所还继续提供网银、第三方和充值码支付,这有点不妥,但严格来说也不是交易所的错,去年的通知是说“各金融机构和支付机构不得开展与比特币相关的业务”,这是银行、第三方支付没有按通知做,没把好关,不是交易所的问题。
五大交易所的声明,还扯到融资融币和高频交易。融资融币根本不是问题,我已经在旧帖分析过
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=585845
。至于高频交易,貌似这个词最近在比特币圈里频繁出现,但人们把高频交易的意思弄错了,高频交易的本质是高速套利交易,高频是表象,没有套利机会,单靠高频是赚不到钱的。比特币现在还没有真正的高频交易,虽然比特币交易所是分散的,但同一个大户的订单不会分散到多个交易所执行,华尔街玩的那种高频交易,根本不可能应用到比特币交易。至于压制过度投机之类的观点,未免太抬高中国对比特币的影响。国盘看似控制了比特币价格,其实不过是控制一下日内价格而已,而且往往还要靠消息才能控制,中期走势全看外盘脸色。国人进入比特币太晚,筹码成本很高,所以筹码量比美国少很多,无法控制比特币走势。国盘是外盘的影子市场,压制国盘根本无法压制比特币投机。就好比通过压制国内的黄金投机来压制黄金价格波动,这有什么效果?金价难道由大妈决定?
大家可以看看端宏斌写的比特币走势历史
http://duanhongbin.baijia.baidu.com/article/14269
,比特币在国外的发展,比国内乱多了,国外交易所干的坏事也不比国内干的少,就拿近期的说,比如mt的倒闭,比如2月份btce跌到102那次,8000btc的连环爆仓事故。
央行关充值渠道,和五大交易所声明所检讨的“营销性质的比特币会议”,融资融币,过度投机,几乎毫无关系。洗钱和投机,使比特币从根源上违反了我国国情,不管交易所搞不搞自律,搞不搞充值码、假消息,都改不了央行的态度。
通知还没读懂就来分析了。
好好看看,写的很清楚,是为了维护人民币的法币地位。
自己去看通知,
http://www.gov.cn/gzdt/2013-12/05/content_2542751.htm,哪条说了维护法币地位?
脑残粉就喜欢整天意淫比特币威胁法币,以为比特币威胁了各国政府,其实美国、中国政府没下杀招,就是因为看不上比特币,那点市值离威胁法币还差几千倍。脑残粉最喜欢意淫的就是比特币取代法币,100万一个。和炒金客意淫黄金涨100倍重新取代法币一样。事实上永远不可能发生。
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 10, 2014, 04:22:41 PM
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这行业啊 太乱七八糟了 比特币的诞生就带着罪恶而来 靠自律是很难啊
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 10, 2014, 05:44:10 PM
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唉 比特币在中国是没法呆了
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 09:31:35 AM
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真自律倒也不错了 就怕说一套做一套
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 10:10:56 AM
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不能这么极端吧,
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May 12, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
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希望中国早点去比特币化
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 01:48:57 PM
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央行是担心国人投资意识太差 亏了钱还找政府
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 04:52:29 PM
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大家都知道国内的反洗钱水平太差,只好一刀切了
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 05:36:26 PM
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 10:12:32 PM
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自律是防造假、防洗钱,而不是关于银行的问题,主要是打击FX这样的平台散布假消息造成市场恐慌而已~
而且平台应该与政府沟通,接受并开发政府监管应用。
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 12, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
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如果政府真的一刀切的,干嘛不直接端掉?还去想办法先解决洗钱问题?这不是夜长梦多么?
兄弟,别拿黄站与赌站跟BTC平台对比,在国内,前者是直接端掉的,难道政府还要想办法去断你的网?BTC平台还有生存的空间,不能通过银行交易,那么政府对于BTC的ATM机为什么不直接查封?
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 13, 2014, 12:25:41 AM
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央行认为泡沫太大,想要打压价格,这才是目的吧
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May 13, 2014, 12:51:39 AM
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May 13, 2014, 01:17:50 AM
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主要是银行怕了
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 13, 2014, 01:22:06 AM
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这几天央行又没消息了,是不是准备一次来个大的。
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 13, 2014, 02:43:35 AM
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Quote from: songguanghui on May 12, 2014, 10:29:01 PM
如果政府真的一刀切的,干嘛不直接端掉?还去想办法先解决洗钱问题?这不是夜长梦多么?
兄弟,别拿黄站与赌站跟BTC平台对比,在国内,前者是直接端掉的,难道政府还要想办法去断你的网?BTC平台还有生存的空间,不能通过银行交易,那么政府对于BTC的ATM机为什么不直接查封?
政府没有直接端掉,可能与比特币市场太小有关,造成的恶性影响有限,所以政府暂时不花精力去管。这次没封交易所,我是比较疑惑的,国内不允许开私人炒金炒汇平台,同理,炒币平台也不应该存在。可能政府之前的想法是,封了银行卡,交易所自然会倒,但没想到交易所还能通过隐蔽手段用银行卡充值。不排除过段时间,政府出新禁令,封停比特币交易所。
另外国内的atm是比特币贩卖机,单向的,国外的atm是比特币兑换机,双向的,现在国外那种不能进国内。
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Re: 央行封比特币是防洗钱,行业自律没有用
May 13, 2014, 02:50:04 AM
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平台作死好么
要洗钱办法多的事、完全没有必要利用这个btc!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2609407.0
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May 13, 2014, 04:52:00 AM
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必须要监督
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May 13, 2014, 05:17:32 AM
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剩下的都是不怕死的了
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