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May 11, 2014, 06:46:48 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/258kac/mastercard_hired_5_lobbyists_to_attack_bitcoins/

As mentioned on reddit, mastercard now has lobbyists working against bitcoin. A lobbyist would influence key decision-makers who have a say in Bitcoin's fate and would have more impact than any awareness campaign

I would nominate myself to coordinate the effort, but it would probably be better done by a more senior community member.
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May 11, 2014, 09:18:32 AM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/258kac/mastercard_hired_5_lobbyists_to_attack_bitcoins/

As mentioned on reddit, mastercard now has lobbyists working against bitcoin. A lobbyist would influence key decision-makers who have a say in Bitcoin's fate and would have more impact than any awareness campaign

I would nominate myself to coordinate the effort, but it would probably be better done by a more senior community member.

The Bitcoin Foundation was meant to be doing that job.

I agree, we need a lobby group that works for Bitcoin's interests, not bitpay's (or insert any other big Bitcoin business) interests.

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May 11, 2014, 09:26:40 AM
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Do you have any idea how much it would cost to pay a lobbyist and give him the funds he needs do his job? Lobbyists have huge corporations and wealth behind them.
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May 11, 2014, 09:29:01 AM
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Let them lobby against it. It doesn't matter.
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May 11, 2014, 09:34:06 AM
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I don't think we really need one. Bitcoin will speak for itself over time. Sure, governments and corporations who are in direct competition with bitcoin will try slander it and lobby against it, but merchants and the right people will eventually see the benefits.

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May 11, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

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May 11, 2014, 11:49:50 AM
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It was natural that this would happen. Ignore them.
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May 11, 2014, 11:51:04 AM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

Yup. Let them do what they have to do. Bitcoin isn't another corporation they can take on and just try beat by throwing money at politicians. We're stronger and bigger than that.
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May 11, 2014, 11:52:30 AM
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before even organizing a fundraiser, before even mentioning that money needs to be involved or requesting who will manage the money.. shouldnt the OP atleast come up with a list of WHO and we poll vote WHO would be a good lobbyist. and then check the winner of the poll actually wants to do the job.

then and only then we should have a bitcoin address from that winner to accept payments to cover his costs+labour

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May 11, 2014, 12:26:26 PM
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If politicians are faced With lobbyists saying:

"Bitcoin is bad, bad bad bad. We need a ban,ban ban ban"


they are going to think "What the hell is this? Bitcoin? Ban? Why?"

Then the lobbyists will say, ofcourse:

"Because it's bad, bad bad bad. Our masters want it banned, ban ban ban".

Then, if Bitcoin has 0 lobbyists, the politicians will think something funny is going on.

"Why ban a New innovation like Bitcoin? God, if only the lobbyists would be allowed to stick Money directly into my Pocket this would be so much easier. Now they can't, so we need to look like we make decisions based on Our own opinions."




Then take the other alternative, IF bitcoin has lobbyists. That could only play out in 1 way. Politicians in the middle and 2 snakes in each ear trying to convince them to take a half open bribe. This, ofcourse, will make bitcoin win. But, it's short term.


What bitcoin needs in this area is a self-evolved resistance. They shouldn't feel like being in the middle of a fight between CRYPTO-terrorism-currencies and established Banks. Politcians love banks, theyve been on their side for the last 100+ years. They should feel as if they are being told by these banks to ban innovation and an inevitable evolution of Money. Cause that's what this sht is. If we lobby for it, we become what we fight. That door all e-currency users and Developers must Lock.
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May 11, 2014, 12:31:09 PM
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I think this is a good idea. You need to have the government working with you. Lobbyists have done tons for smoking. Maybe a bad comparison but if you have the government working with you there is much more potential for growth.
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May 11, 2014, 12:41:06 PM
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You need to have the government working with you.
The less Bitcoin is associated with that nasty, violent religion, the better.
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May 11, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
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just give enough funds to a selected politician and he will understand what he has to do to get more on next elections
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May 11, 2014, 04:16:41 PM
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I think that the crypto community would better benefit from increasing awareness through sponsorships, adoption and education than attempting to buy political support.

Bitcoin already has political support, just as it has its naysayers too. If crypto is to succeed then it will do without funding a lobbyist.

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May 11, 2014, 04:29:48 PM
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before even organizing a fundraiser, before even mentioning that money needs to be involved or requesting who will manage the money.. shouldnt the OP atleast come up with a list of WHO and we poll vote WHO would be a good lobbyist. and then check the winner of the poll actually wants to do the job.

then and only then we should have a bitcoin address from that winner to accept payments to cover his costs+labour

Sorry but I am not familiar with US politics.  How would I go about finding who would be a good lobbyist?
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May 11, 2014, 04:31:17 PM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

Yup. Let them do what they have to do. Bitcoin isn't another corporation they can take on and just try beat by throwing money at politicians. We're stronger and bigger than that.
Seriously?  Roll Eyes
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May 11, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

Yup. Let them do what they have to do. Bitcoin isn't another corporation they can take on and just try beat by throwing money at politicians. We're stronger and bigger than that.
Seriously?  Roll Eyes

Yeah. Serious. What wrong with that? Who can they attack? We're a decentralised network with many heads. We're not a centralised corporation that can easily be taken down.
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May 11, 2014, 04:46:30 PM
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I think this is a good idea. You need to have the government working with you. Lobbyists have done tons for smoking. Maybe a bad comparison but if you have the government working with you there is much more potential for growth.

Completely agree. Everything comes from government, or almost everything. And it's not just politics, it includes advertisement, which can make bitcoin popular. The more people hear about bitcoin the more they will be interested in it.
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May 11, 2014, 04:53:03 PM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

Yup. Let them do what they have to do. Bitcoin isn't another corporation they can take on and just try beat by throwing money at politicians. We're stronger and bigger than that.
Seriously?  Roll Eyes

Yeah. Serious. What wrong with that? Who can they attack? We're a decentralised network with many heads. We're not a centralised corporation that can easily be taken down.
We are not stronger, just more difficult to to attack - being able to dodge punches does not mean you can throw them in a fight.  And bigger... just come on... compare the value of dollars in circulation to bitcoin
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May 11, 2014, 04:57:37 PM
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I think the genie is now out of the bottle
As the many innovative businesses innovating within btc come to the fore, benefits will be obvious to all
Lobbying is the hallmark of centralised, compromised systems
Let's try not to go there

Yup. Let them do what they have to do. Bitcoin isn't another corporation they can take on and just try beat by throwing money at politicians. We're stronger and bigger than that.
Seriously?  Roll Eyes

Yeah. Serious. What wrong with that? Who can they attack? We're a decentralised network with many heads. We're not a centralised corporation that can easily be taken down.
We are not stronger, just more difficult to to attack - being able to dodge punches does not mean you can throw them in a fight.  And bigger... just come on... compare the value of dollars in circulation to bitcoin

How can you attack something that is everywhere and doesn't have a central body? And I don't see what the amount of dollars in circulation has to do with Mastercard being strong. They don't own all the money in the world.
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