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May 16, 2014, 03:48:15 PM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.
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May 16, 2014, 06:06:19 PM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?
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May 16, 2014, 06:09:39 PM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?

you may complain about michelle obama doing that stunt, but it got the media outlets talking about it.. and now a lot of people know what's going on. so it did have an effect, but you might just be spouting off the agenda of fox noise.
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May 16, 2014, 06:20:07 PM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?

you may complain about michelle obama doing that stunt, but it got the media outlets talking about it.. and now a lot of people know what's going on. so it did have an effect, but you might just be spouting off the agenda of fox noise.

Of course I am a fox noise pusher, whatever that mean. Did you know Boko Haram was rejected to be classified as a terrorist group by this obama administration? The same administration pushing for that "We are the world, we are the children" move? Even the Nigerian government was surprised by that.
But what do you think about Meriam's situation? Are you going to create that ashtag in support of her? No need to answer of course if you do not feel comfortable...

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May 16, 2014, 07:31:45 PM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

It's really unfortunate... I just read this "Pregnant Woman Sentenced to Death 2 Years After She Gives Birth"
I couldn't even imagine watching my child grow, knowing I'll be put to death after his second birthday :/

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May 17, 2014, 03:08:32 AM
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Seems like Obama has been awaken from his slumber.....

Sudan: White House On Sentencing of Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag in Sudan

http://allafrica.com/stories/201405161661.html
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May 17, 2014, 05:04:39 AM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?

you may complain about michelle obama doing that stunt, but it got the media outlets talking about it*.. and now a lot of people know what's going on. so it did have an effect, but you might just be spouting off the agenda of fox noise.

*Well not just the media. They have elevated boko haram' status and strengthen their PR power...
 





http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/16/has-our-state-department-started-a-hashtag-yet-for-the-soon-to-be-murdered-sudanese-christian-mom-yet/


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May 17, 2014, 05:25:46 AM
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I was hoping for a more active role from the US, as Daniel Wani (Meriam's husband) is a US citizen (since 2005). Martin, the 20-month old son of Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag is also imprisoned along with her at the Khartoum prison.
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May 17, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
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I warned you before and I am warning you now. Be wary of the Muslims, their religion is not peaceful at all. For now they are in minority and are quite silent (occasionally they kill someone here or there) but when their number will be higher is our society they change our laws to Sharia and if you won't be a muslim by that time you will be sentenced to death. This case is the prime example of what will happen in the future.


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May 17, 2014, 07:13:32 AM
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I warned you before and I am warning you now. Be wary of the Muslims, their religion is not peaceful at all. For now they are in minority and are quite silent (occasionally they kill someone here or there) but when their number will be higher is our society they change our laws to Sharia and if you won't be a muslim by that time you will be sentenced to death. This case is the prime example of what will happen in the future.

Many people have studied about the correlation of Muslim behavior/terrorism with the population size. This is their findings:

1. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. Examples: USA, Italy.

2. At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. Examples: Denmark, Spain, Germany.

3. From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply.  Examples: France, Sweden.

4. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Examples: India, Israel.

5. After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues. Examples: Ethiopia, Ivory Coast.

6. At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare. Examples: Chad, Bosnia, Lebanon.

7. From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jazya, the tax placed on infidels. Examples: Albania, Malaysia.

8. After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim. Examples: Bangladesh, Egypt.

9. 100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word. Examples: Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Yemen.
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May 17, 2014, 09:17:32 AM
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1. As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. Examples: USA, Italy.

I really don't think Muslims in USA are perceived as "peace-loving" .


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May 17, 2014, 01:49:49 PM
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I really don't think Muslims in USA are perceived as "peace-loving" .

They are. The Americans in general have a positive view about the local Muslims, who are mostly concentrated in cities such as New York, New Jersey, Dearborn, and LA. They are very heavily represented in some of the blue collar jobs, such as driving local taxis. However, Americans are having a negative view about the foreign Muslims, especially the Arabs and the Somalis.
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May 17, 2014, 02:11:19 PM
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I really don't think Muslims in USA are perceived as "peace-loving" .

They are. The Americans in general have a positive view about the local Muslims, who are mostly concentrated in cities such as New York, New Jersey, Dearborn, and LA. They are very heavily represented in some of the blue collar jobs, such as driving local taxis. However, Americans are having a negative view about the foreign Muslims, especially the Arabs and the Somalis.

Oh , you talked about how that country is seeing the community inside , not that their view on Muslims  in the same for all of them.


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May 18, 2014, 12:28:47 AM
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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?

you may complain about michelle obama doing that stunt, but it got the media outlets talking about it.. and now a lot of people know what's going on. so it did have an effect, but you might just be spouting off the agenda of fox noise.

Viral Recoil: Michelle Obama's hashtag activism backfires with anti-drone campaign

The hashtag 'Bring back our girls' quickly spread on the web, even attracting the undoubted clout of America's First Lady. But, as well as raising awareness of the kidnappings of 276 Nigerian schoolgirls, Michelle Obama has inadvertently sparked an online anti-drone campaign. Gayane Chichakyan reports. READ MORE on.rt.com/5o0tq0

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Judge Abbas Khalifa asked Ibrahim whether she agreed to return to Islam. After she said, "I am a Christian," a charge of apostasy was declared and the death sentence was handed down, according to judicial sources, quoted by Reuters.

"We gave you three days to recant, but you insist on not returning to Islam. I sentence you to be hanged to death," the judge told the woman, AFP reported.

The woman had also been charged with adultery for marrying a Christian man.

Amnesty International said the woman was raised as an Orthodox Christian, her mother's religion, because her father, a Muslim, was reportedly absent during her childhood. 


Outside the courthouse, around 50 people protested the decision, holding placards that read "Freedom of Religion."

Islamists celebrated the court decision, chanting "God is Great."

Sudanese activists condemned the decision and called on the Sudanese government to uphold the freedom of belief for all people.

"The details of this case expose the regime's blatant interference in the personal life of Sudanese citizens," Sudan Change Now Movement, a youth group, said in a statement.

The embassies of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada and the Netherlands released a common statement expressing "deep concern" about the court proceeding, urging the North African country of almost 31 million people to respect the religious freedom of its citizens, AFP reported.

The high-profile case comes at a time of severe economic and political hardship for the government of President Omar Hassan Bashir, which suffered a major setback in 2011 when South Sudan, the country’s main oil supplier, seceded and formed its own sovereign state.

Amid the grinding economic downturn, Bashir ordered stringent austerity measures that prompted violent protests that led to the deaths of dozens of people.

http://rt.com/news/159176-sudan-court-woman-christianity/


This verdict is not Islam. Quran recognizes freedom of religion (God says in Quran La iqraha fiddwin meaning There is no compulsion in religion). What this Sudanese court is doing is fully against fundamental spirit of Islam as laid down in Quran.  There is a very good book "NO GOD BUT GOD" by Reza Aslan were is eloquent discussion of how Islam developed over the centuries into an anti-women, anti-human rights religion after Mohammed's death in the hands of power monger rulers and clerics .

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Disturbing details are out. The woman was married to a Christian man for several years. They already had one child and she was pregnant with the second. The Sudanese are saying that they will stone her to death after the birth of her second child. And both the children will be taken away from her husband, to be brought up in an Islamic environment.

Let us observe the outcry pouring from all over the place and social networks. Let us admire the crowd chanting "No Justice! No Peace! Free Meriam Now!" Any hashtag from Michelle Obama #FreeMeriamNow campaign coming?

you may complain about michelle obama doing that stunt, but it got the media outlets talking about it.. and now a lot of people know what's going on. so it did have an effect, but you might just be spouting off the agenda of fox noise.

Viral Recoil: Michelle Obama's hashtag activism backfires with anti-drone campaign

The hashtag 'Bring back our girls' quickly spread on the web, even attracting the undoubted clout of America's First Lady. But, as well as raising awareness of the kidnappings of 276 Nigerian schoolgirls, Michelle Obama has inadvertently sparked an online anti-drone campaign. Gayane Chichakyan reports. READ MORE on.rt.com/5o0tq0

http://youtu.be/oHqXEodJVY8


Despite world-wide condemnation; it is unlikely that the all of the girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram, in Nigeria, will be found alive and well!  Sad

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I don't understand why they are calling it as apostasy. Her mother was Orthodox Christian and that was why she was brought up in that faith. Her father has never visited her, nor offered any financial support. Is this is what the Christians get in return for their tolerance towards the Muslims in Europe and North America? Pathetic.

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I'm not sure what the relevance is. I don't know a single Muslim who isn't appalled by this.

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This verdict is not Islam. Quran recognizes freedom of religion (God says in Quran La iqraha fiddwin meaning There is no compulsion in religion). What this Sudanese court is doing is fully against fundamental spirit of Islam as laid down in Quran.

Exactly. Religion is a mechanism of control. It is perverted as necessary to suit the needs of the masters.

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I warned you before and I am warning you now. Be wary of the Muslims, their religion is not peaceful at all.

Sigh. What can I say about the Muslims I know? Good cooks. Several of them good tennis players. One of them is a terrible driver. One of them is a very proficient triathlete.

Weirdly, not one of them has tried to blow me up.

Hazir - racism just isn't cool.

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Wait a minute here.  Back up the bus.  This guy slept with a Christian, right?  In their view isn't that the moral equivalent of having sex with a flea ridden dog?  If I recall correctly in the fundie version of the Koran the proper punishment for this guy is to cut off his balls, feed them to him and then stone him to death, right?

I demand to know that this guy was properly punished before we even start to talk about his daughter.

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