Sudanese Muslim woman sentenced to death for Christian conversion

[stompix]

Actually it amazes me to see so many Muslims here, justifying this barbaric sentence. If educated Muslims act like this, then what we can expect from all those uneducated Somalis and Arabs?

If all the muslims would be "uneducated" like you've said there wouldn't be anyone doing things against their law , so this example would be void.
I guessed that by "uneducated" you meant fanatics.

Read my post again. I never sad that all the Muslims are uneducated. I was saying that highly educated Muslims are also acting like fanatics. BTW... by educated, I meant people who are capable of reading and writing English.

I never claimed that you said that. 

I said that "IF" and then I showed you what would have happen in that situation.
Also , why should English be the standard for education?

[BurtW]

Actually it amazes me to see so many Muslims here, justifying this barbaric sentence. If educated Muslims act like this, then what we can expect from all those uneducated Somalis and Arabs?

If all the muslims would be "uneducated" like you've said there wouldn't be anyone doing things against their law , so this example would be void.
I guessed that by "uneducated" you meant fanatics.

Read my post again. I never said that all the Muslims are uneducated. I was saying that highly educated Muslims are also acting like fanatics. BTW... by educated, I meant people who are capable of reading and writing English.

I never claimed that you said that.  

I said that "IF" and then I showed you what would have happen in that situation.
Also , why should English be the standard for education?

I hate talking about "Muslims this" and "Christians that" in the abstract.  Let's ask a specific person a specific question:

it's all about spreading the word, I'm pretty sure that tolerent muslims already voted in and still voting, but this case is pretty complex imo, I don't understand how they figured out if she was muslim before and become Christian afterwards, unless she was preaching religion change or something I'm not sure

Kuroman:  what exactly did you mean by "this case is pretty complex"?  Maybe I misunderstood you.  Please explain the complexities in this specific case.  Also please explain what you meant by "preaching religion change".  Is this something you believe might be punishable by death?  I only ask because in the context of your reply that might be assumed.

[bryant.coleman]

Although I hate the American politicians in general, I have to admit that some of them (esp. Republican Senators Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Roy Blunt of Missouri) showed real courage in supporting this unfortunate woman, when people like John F. Kerry (the Secretary of State) remained silent and tight lipped on the issue.

Politicians, friends seek to save Sudanese wife of N.H. man

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/25/death-friends-sentence-justice-whose-sudanese-hampshire-wife-whose-sudanese-wife-faces-death-sentence-faces-faith-politicians-friends-urge-justice/kp4faSkOWISt7Ti7ziSaiM/story.html

[Wilikon]

Although I hate the American politicians in general, I have to admit that some of them (esp. Republican Senators Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Roy Blunt of Missouri) showed real courage in supporting this unfortunate woman, when people like John F. Kerry (the Secretary of State) remained silent and tight lipped on the issue.

Politicians, friends seek to save Sudanese wife of N.H. man

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/05/25/death-friends-sentence-justice-whose-sudanese-hampshire-wife-whose-sudanese-wife-faces-death-sentence-faces-faith-politicians-friends-urge-justice/kp4faSkOWISt7Ti7ziSaiM/story.html

[kuroman]

but this case is pretty complex imo, I don't understand how they figured out blah blah blah

NONE OF THIS MATTERS.  It is not "complex".  She has not mudered anyone, she has not kidnapped anyone, she has not raped anyone.  Therefore there is no reason to put her to death.  Kick her out of your Muslim only country is the most rash thing to do.

It is as wrong to put someone to death for being a Christian as it is for being a Muslim or even a God damned atheist.

You are just repeating the point I said in my initial comment and we don't disagree here but obviously you didn't read it, I'm trying to figure how out did they come out with such a sentence, what was the reasoning because this is not some tribal stuff, the judgment was made apparently in an official court, which render which means there might be stuff we don't know.

So calm down, and don't call me stuff you have no idea about because you couldn't be any wrong.

Edit: just saw your last comment, yup there was a misunderstanding here, Why I'm saying things could be more complex and that we don't know everything, because apparently unless I missed something the judgment is made by an official jury, I also don't understand how did they know she was Muslim then she become Christian, faith is something personal, I think some more reading should be done, I'm against capital sentence no matter what the crime is, and even more in this case

[BurtW]

Regarding the charge of apostasy this is what is being reported:

The case centers on a charge of apostasy, or abandonment of the faith. Ishag, who had a Muslim father, was raised by an Orthodox Christian mother as a Christian. She married Wani in a formal church ceremony in 2011. But last year members of her father’s family tracked her down, complaining about her marriage to a Christian and saying she had been given a Muslim name at birth. She was charged with adultery because the court refused to recognize her marriage to a non-Muslim man.

Talk about half sibling rivalry/jealousy...

[BurtW]

I find this an interesting method of teritorial expansion:

Muslim women can only marry Muslim men however,

1) Muslim men can go around impregnating anyone they want to
2) Hang around until the baby is born
3) Be first in line to name the kid
4) Give it a Muslim name - bam!  another Muslim by "law"
5) Your duty is done so you can now leave and go impregnate another woman

The Christians need to step up their game or the world is going to be overrun by Muslims!

[Skele]

This verdict is not Islam. Qoran recognizes freedom of religion (God says in Qoran La iqraha fiddwin meaning There is no compulsion in religion). What this Sudanese court is doing is fully against fundamental spirit of Islam as laid down in Qoran. They are confusing between treason and apostasy. Please read NO GOD BUT GOD by Reza Aslan for an eloquent discussion of how Islam developed over the centuries into an anti-women, anti-human rights religion after Mohammed's death in the hands of powermonger rulers and clerics .

[stompix]

I find this an interesting method of teritorial expansion:

Muslim women can only marry Muslim men however,

1) Muslim men can go around impregnating anyone they want to
2) Hang around until the baby is born
3) Be first in line to name the kid
4) Give it a Muslim name - bam!  another Muslim by "law"
5) Your duty is done so you can now leave and go impregnate another woman

The Christians need to step up their game or the world is going to be overrun by Muslims!

Since Christianity is the religion of "love" there isn't really much that we can do about it.

But , ignoring my ironic remark , what should we do? Nuke them ? Ban them from entering western countries? Ban christian-muslim marriages? or should we ...

Act like they do?

[BurtW]

what should we do? Nuke them ? Ban them from entering western countries? Ban christian-muslim marriages? or should we ...

Act like they do?

My suggestion is to create something called "magic Christian water".  Then, make up the rule that anyone touched by even one drop of this magic water will instantly be considered a Christian.  Now all you have to do is fly over those areas heavily populated by Muslims and gently spray them with magic Christian water thus baptizing them all as Christians.  Do this enough and pretty soon everyone will be a Christian.

Much easier than all that mucking about creating new Muslim babies by the method outlined above up thread.

Also, all the new Christians will appreciate the watering of their crops.

[bryant.coleman]

My suggestion is to create something called "magic Christian water".  Then, make up the rule that anyone touched by even one drop of this magic water will instantly be considered a Christian.  Now all you have to do is fly over those areas heavily populated by Muslims and gently spray them with magic Christian water thus baptizing them all as Christians.  Do this enough and pretty soon everyone will be a Christian.

So what will happen, if anyone of these ex-Muslims, after their baptism, want to revert to Islam? Will they be punishable for committing apostasy? I don't even think there is punishment for Apostasy in Christianity. 

[BurtW]

My suggestion is to create something called "magic Christian water".  Then, make up the rule that anyone touched by even one drop of this magic water will instantly be considered a Christian.  Now all you have to do is fly over those areas heavily populated by Muslims and gently spray them with magic Christian water thus baptizing them all as Christians.  Do this enough and pretty soon everyone will be a Christian.

So what will happen, if anyone of these ex-Muslims, after their baptism, want to revert to Islam? Will they be punishable for committing apostasy? I don't even think there is punishment for Apostasy in Christianity. 

I know my brother was charged with something like Apostasy when he left the Jehova's Witnesses.  However, the punishment is that they don't want him back, a symbolic cutting off or "death" from the church - not a physical death sentence.

[bryant.coleman]

I know my brother was charged with something like Apostasy when he left the Jehova's Witnesses.  However, the punishment is that they don't want him back, a symbolic cutting off or "death" from the church - not a physical death sentence.

lol.... Jehovah's Witnesses is another loony sect. I have never seen a crazier Chrstian sect than them. Unfortunately they are one of the fastest growing religious groups in the world. 

[Ron~Popeil]

I know my brother was charged with something like Apostasy when he left the Jehova's Witnesses.  However, the punishment is that they don't want him back, a symbolic cutting off or "death" from the church - not a physical death sentence.

lol.... Jehovah's Witnesses is another loony sect. I have never seen a crazier Chrstian sect than them. Unfortunately they are one of the fastest growing religious groups in the world. 

I had a JW buddy in school. It was always so odd that they were not allowed to celebrate birthdays or holidays. I gave him a gift for Christmas one year and his parents forced him to give it back. He married a Catholic girl after college and his parents will not acknowledge him in any way. I believe firmly in the to each his own concept but that sect gives me pause. 

[Wilikon]

Jailed Sudanese Christian Meriam Ibrahim Gives Birth – Now Ready for Hanging

Meriam Ibrahim, 27, gave birth to the girl – her second child – in the early hours of Tuesday morning, in the hospital wing of the prison.

“They didn’t even take Meriam to a hospital – she just delivered inside a prison clinic,” As Elshareef Ali Elshareef Mohammed, her lawyer, told The Telegraph.

“But neither her husband nor I have been allowed to see them yet.”

Mr Elshareef said he and Daniel Wani, Ms Ibrahim’s husband, were still waiting outside the prison at 2pm in Khartoum

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sudan/10857502/Sudanese-woman-sentenced-to-death-for-apostasy-gives-birth.html

[bryant.coleman]

Not everyone in the US is happy with Obama's response to this issue.

Obama Wouldn't Care if Al Qaeda Took Texas, Claims Rep. Trent Franks

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/foreign-policy/obama-wouldnt-care-if-al-qaeda-took-texas-claims-rep-trent-franks-audio

[Wilikon]

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/christian-woman-in-sudan-death-candidate-was-chained-at-the-birth-of-their-baby-breaking-news-51141

[bryant.coleman]

An online petition to the Whitehouse has been launched.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/act-case-meriam-ibrahim-sudan-and-her-baby-and-toddler-prison/D1x1q4VG

Almost 30,000 signatures in less than 3 days.

[bryant.coleman]

Great news!!!!!

Meriam Ibrahim: Sudan 'to free' death row woman

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27651483

[Wilikon]

Fingers crossed for her and her baby.