How to get BTC Foundation out of Bitcoin development?

[bananas]

The Bitcoin foundation currently fully controls it.

I believe that it is an urgent matter to get them out,  people should discuss it seriously and put something in practice as soon as possible.

Not only the bitcoin foundation has proven since the early days to be an institution with no morals on its highest level of membership, i.e.:

    Charlie Shrem

    Mark Karpeles

    Brock Pierce

And now we have this fully connected to the BTC Foundation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610521.0

That's insane to leave the development in the hands of people of dubious morals(the Foundation) and connected with an obscure private club(The Buffalo thing).

Edit: The foundation is also fully aligned with governement interests. They are sitted in a huge amount of bitcoins, a big part stolen by the way, the original concept of bitcoin does not really matter to them, they just want to cash out billions and then leave.

[onemorebtc]

the foundation does not control bitcoin. the devs dont control it either.
so i guess your question is how to get the core-devs to step out of the foundation?

maybe offer them a salary? dont know, but i dont think its very important.
i dont like the foundation, but dont overhype their possibilites

[bananas]

the foundation does not control bitcoin. the devs dont control it either.
so i guess your question is how to get the core-devs to step out of the foundation?

maybe offer them a salary? dont know, but i dont think its very important.
i dont like the foundation, but dont overhype their possibilites

I knew it was going to be the first thing to be posted. But that's not how it works.
They do control it. The descentralized consensus thing while almost a fact(few people has most of the hash rate), it does not prevent any wrong doing or taking the development in a direction that does not please the community(where it is already going)

Yes, salaries are probably needed.
But there are other matters.

[bitsmichel]

The bitcoin foundation does not and cannot control btc. Bitcoin is decentralized : there are many different nodes participating to create the network. Every single node of them is a computer running some machine code. This code is open source, you can look at it, change it etc.

The bitcoin foundation mission is to standardize, protect and promote Bitcoin. In other words, they are kind of a marketing club 

[Lauda]

I'm not sure how this would be done. The majority would need to vote to get them to stand by.

[gweedo]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

[btbrae]

The bitcoin foundation mission is to standardize, protect and promote Bitcoin. In other words, they are kind of a marketing club 

It's interesting that they now seem to be linked with mass fraud, money laundering, and pedophilia, amongst other things. They're very good at something, but it's not promoting Bitcoin.

[odolvlobo]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

Yes. This is the right solution.

[onemorebtc]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

this would be nice.
but it would require the current devs to write some documentation

[Bit_Happy]

Has anyone ever made a credible guesstimate as to how wealthy the Bitcoin Foundation is?
and/or do they issue a regular financial statement?

How to get BTC Foundation out of Bitcoin development?
Based on the huge, historical increase in BTC prices, I think "the battle" is going to be fought against an extremely wealthy opponent.
Anyone have an idea how wealthy they really are?

The bitcoin foundation mission is to standardize, protect and promote Bitcoin. In other words, they are kind of a marketing club 

It's interesting that they now seem to be linked with mass fraud, money laundering, and pedophilia, amongst other things. They're very good at something, but it's not promoting Bitcoin.

[Ron~Popeil]

Learn coding an economics and propose some things. There are no rules about who can and cannot propose a change. If your ideas are good people will get behind them.

[bananas]

Learn coding an economics and propose some things. There are no rules about who can and cannot propose a change. If your ideas are good people will get behind them.

That's not how it works.
The final word is from the foundation man, they are in full control of it. They do whatever they want , and ignore whatever they do not want.

[DannyHamilton]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

I might be interested in participating in that.  Let me know when you've got it organized.

[gweedo]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

I might be interested in participating in that.  Let me know when you've got it organized.

UHMMMMMM I have a lot on my plate, and to add this to it, would be a disservice to building a great dev core that I would feel comfortable saying to people to use it.

[Bit_Happy]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

I might be interested in participating in that.  Let me know when you've got it organized.

UHMMMMMM I have a lot on my plate, and to add this to it, would be a disservice to building a great dev core that I would feel comfortable saying to people to use it.

In the future more people will be qualified to dev Bitcoin, but at this time the pool of qualified programmers probably isn't very big.
Who wants to fund private schools that teach advanced cryptography?
^^^Build a multi-generational plan for success. 

[gweedo]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

I might be interested in participating in that.  Let me know when you've got it organized.

UHMMMMMM I have a lot on my plate, and to add this to it, would be a disservice to building a great dev core that I would feel comfortable saying to people to use it.

In the future more people will be qualified to dev Bitcoin, but at this time the pool of qualified programmers probably isn't very big.
Who wants to fund private schools that teach advanced cryptography?
^^^Build a multi-generational plan for success. 

C++ should be taught in college for any programmer. I do know that it isn't required and I am glad I took it.

[bananas]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

I might be interested in participating in that.  Let me know when you've got it organized.

UHMMMMMM I have a lot on my plate, and to add this to it, would be a disservice to building a great dev core that I would feel comfortable saying to people to use it.

In the future more people will be qualified to dev Bitcoin, but at this time the pool of qualified programmers probably isn't very big.
Who wants to fund private schools that teach advanced cryptography?
^^^Build a multi-generational plan for success.  

If there are funds to pay market salaries, there will not be any problem. The code is very clean and organized, the used cryptography is well known. Any experienced programmer can undestand and work on it. There are thousands of programmers looking for a job right now. If i had time to analyze the full code i could do it myself, there is nothing mystical in it.

[Ron~Popeil]

Learn coding an economics and propose some things. There are no rules about who can and cannot propose a change. If your ideas are good people will get behind them.

That's not how it works.
The final word is from the foundation man, they are in full control of it. They do whatever they want , and ignore whatever they do not want.

With enough support it could be done. With paying members leaving the foundation in droves it is all ready happening on a small scale. 

[Swordsoffreedom]

Fork the bitcoin code with a new development team. I will say this is very much needed and have two different paths for bitcoin full nodes. Gives better choice, but right now most people accept the bitcoin core dev team without understanding why two groups deving would benefit bitcoin so much!

Breaking away and creating a new group that is not from the Bitcoin Foundation is a good idea.
When  the foundation is becoming more a shame than something to be respected
Even a renaming would help it out at this stage or a purge

[Slingshot]

 The current and past self titled, self absorbed 'Bitcoin Foundation' isn't worthy of Bitcoin.  I stand behind these words. Apparently so do many others.

  As far as I have been able to deduce only Gavin Andresen is extremely worthy to be in any leadership role concerning Bitcoin, thank goodness we all have Mr. Andresen leading the Development of Bitcoin and at the Bitcoin Foundation. Maybe others too are very worthy leading the Bitcoin Foundation that are currently in leadership positions but I cannot be anywhere near certain of that at this point in time. Add to that many past/present Bitcoin Foundation board members are obviously extremely unworthy of their past/present positions, and that's what finally forced my reply and voice here.


 Like the vast majority I am all in favor of a representative body for helping lead Bitcoin. But not what Bitcoin has had at the Bitcoin Foundation overall, to present date.


 The  Bitcoin Foundation is an overall embarrassment, and somewhat of a stain on Bitcoin itself, if that's even possible, which fortunately it's really not. Nothing can stop Bitcoin, that's apparent. But many things can slow it down and hinder it, including poor leadership. And at least until these self serving political maneuvers finally come to an end it will continue to be so in many eyes opinions.


 I am certain many past and present members of the Foundation should have never made it to a leadership position at the Bitcoin Foundation in the first place, nor even been considered, nor should have an owner of any Exchange been the one to found the Bitcoin Foundation in the first place.

 The mixing of industry business leaders onto the Bitcoin Foundation is already conflicting enough, perhaps far too much. Then again it appears this is more a self serving quasi-business-political organization that doesn't concern itself much about leading Bitcoin, but instead the members own personal business agenda's far too very often.


 Most of those residing on what's very much been a self serving board at the Bitcoin Foundation to date don't appear to be worthy to represent Bitcoin in any leadership roles. Maybe some other current Bitcoin Foundation members do, that is still impossible for me to know at this time so far. But already it's been impossible for those like myself to stand beside the  'Bitcoin Foundation' to date, or even support the 'Bitcoin Foundation' up till now.


 I also believe that soon this all blows over as drastic changes are made to come about at the Bitcoin Foundation, or another Foundation altogether as Bitcoin's growth continues to increase.


 As for all the resignations at the 'Bitcoin Foundation'...outstanding! That's a good start. Stand up, be heard, make a stand, do what can be done to make things better, object when nothing else is possible, and if required stand aside and let it self destruct. And if nothing else at least sound out about what one believes and what one objects to publicly, and not merely behind closed doorways.


 As for the current voting requirements for positions at the Bitcoin Foundation; that too must end. At most a very modest enrollment fee to become an annual member should be all that's required to cast one's vote, nothing more, nor anything less than the BTC equivalent of $10 to $20 annually should be all that it takes to allow one's voice/vote to be heard/cast. When this finally occurs I will join, until then I will continue to cringe concerning almost everything about the so called Bitcoin Foundation. But at the same time I will also continue an unwavering support of the Decentralized Monetary Revolution that Bitcoin is dominating, and that is extremely likely to rightfully continue dominating, with or without decent leadership at the 'Bitcoin Foundation.


 Make no mistake: The Bitcoin Foundation doesn't represent those like myself. I also believe the Bitcoin Foundation doesn't have Dorian Satoshi's blessing either, not after reading the Bitcoin Whitepaper more than a couple of times.


 But as stated before Gavin Andresen does have my full faith and support as do many others including apparently Dorian Satoshi. Many others also truly help lead Bitcoin from all corners of the Bitcoin community, yet the Bitcoin Foundation doesn't seem to care for anything but a semi-dictatorial self along with of course grossly restricted voting audience for the said Bitcoin Foundation.

 I can only urge Bitcoin Foundation board members to drop any possible conflicting personal political monetary beliefs when it comes to doing what's best for Bitcoin and it's future, and open up the voting of all Board Membership to all Bitcoin Foundation members, and keep those annual fees for membership at a very modest amount. That may be difficult for some to take to task, but it's certainly required if Bitcoin is to become all it can be. Otherwise they can fully expect to be a lot more than merely challenged.


Caveat emptor