I thin I owe Xardas A apology....
I am sorry and I was really pushing to get you a refund. I made a thread after sending a number of e-mails to bitoffer...... I know now that this was his intentions the entire time.....
I hope the is resolved but i am sure it will not be....
Apology gladly accepted.
Guys this is only a coin and we will all be part of other coins in the future. I got many messages from people saying they were trying to get my refund, and I appreciated it. The info I had that made me want a refund, meant I had to go after that refund aggressively, so BitOffer would be cornered into doing it to buy himself more time. I was pretty sure a refund nor coins were ever coming, but had to give it a shot. To prolong the scam and get more investors, his best course of action was to get me off his ass and out of his ANN thread. My mistake was relenting on the pressure. I knew it was a lost cause, but should have kept up the pressure so others didn't fall into the trap.
The little spat I had at the end of the HOC thread was out of frustration because while you repeatedly said that the rules stated you could ask for a refund, they also said that it had to come to a vote and that vote could not happen until the coins were distributed. The entire approach was disruptive.
I can see you truly believe that being unrelenting was the best approach, but I felt it was only harming the investors who were actually asking for a vote to grant you a refund. The harm came from hurting HOCs image and at the time it seemed to be impeding things because Bitoffer was extremely disorganized. He held the BTC and no amount of public chastising was going to hurt him. In fact it seemed to only inflame him.
I still now feel that it there was nothing to be gained by further blasting HOC. There was no one left to save from HOC, we already gave Bitoffer our BTC. There was no proposal to gain more investors. The proposal to bring people in did not involve any BTC investment.
I don't feel I owe any apology for disagreeing with you, but I do regret that I let my emotions get the best of me in that last post and for that I am sorry. Eerily Bitoffer was watching us post because I was going to respond to your post of the HOC address by saying I would donate some to you and then the thread was locked. I then went to post in the HOC forum and as I was on there it went down.
That was an "oh shit" moment. I sent Bitoffer a message asking him to reconsider if this is all what it appears to be. What is unusual is this was a very atypical IPO scam (or so it appears).
Bitoffer:
1 did Not have a newbie account.
2 Had many posts prior to HOC that looked legit.
3 Apparently has his name, address and phone number on the registration for the HOC website.
4 Could have just left with the BTC on day one (though it would seem more investors would be a motive there was no proposal for more paid investors)
and there are many other examples of why this is surprising. I get the sense that he started out with good intentions and after realizing it was a lot of work and pressure he may have just said, the hell with it. Obviously not a good reason to rip people off.
Funny thing is he could have just said HOC is his "creation" and that he was entitled to all the BTC and none of the work. It worked for XBCplus. (Kind of joking but hmmm... surprised more scammers don't do that?)
So Xardas, the target here should be Bitoffer. It would be the right thing to leave HOC in and of itself alone, in the event that some of the members wish to salvage it. Remember if he did just flee he really could care less out HOC so you would just be wasting your time.
If you decide to launch and investigation and seek legal ramification for this guy, then you will have many more allies. Me included.
