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Question: Which proposal do you support?
I support BIP 16 - 23 (31.9%)
I support BIP 17 - 10 (13.9%)
Too close to call, can't decide - 1 (1.4%)
Too technical for me, but the decision should be made ASAP - 6 (8.3%)
I think we need more time to examine the issue - 27 (37.5%)
I don't care at all about this issue - 5 (6.9%)
Total Voters: 71

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January 28, 2012, 11:04:15 PM
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I have been casually following the BIP 16/17 issue and I thought that maybe we could use a poll to help assess where the rest of us non-developers and non-voters stand.
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January 28, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
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none of them is thoroughly tested, I think we need more time to examine the issue

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January 29, 2012, 12:07:06 AM
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This poll is totally not helpful. These changes are a huge fundamental change to the bitcoin protocol, and it is a bad idea for people to be treating such a serious topic like a popularity contest.

Far better would be if you closed this thread, researched the topic a bit and then make a post with a balanced summary of all the viewpoints. Like this you are encouraging everyone to pick and choose based on social proof or popularity.

And I am totally neutral on this topic.
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January 29, 2012, 01:50:37 AM
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This poll is totally not helpful. These changes are a huge fundamental change to the bitcoin protocol, and it is a bad idea for people to be treating such a serious topic like a popularity contest.

Far better would be if you closed this thread, researched the topic a bit and then make a post with a balanced summary of all the viewpoints. Like this you are encouraging everyone to pick and choose based on social proof or popularity.

And I am totally neutral on this topic.

I respectfully disagree with genjix about closing this thread, but feel that the ongoing conversation should continue. This poll/thread may fall to the way side, but you never know what relative information may come from it.

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January 29, 2012, 05:13:25 AM
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This poll is totally not helpful. These changes are a huge fundamental change to the bitcoin protocol, and it is a bad idea for people to be treating such a serious topic like a popularity contest.

Far better would be if you closed this thread, researched the topic a bit and then make a post with a balanced summary of all the viewpoints. Like this you are encouraging everyone to pick and choose based on social proof or popularity.

And I am totally neutral on this topic.

This post is in no way meant to trivialize the topic, quite the contrary, I think it is important to gauge the sentiment of the community, especially since the devs cannot seem to agree on the topic and the whole issue is becoming quite contentious and maybe even a little ugly. I do not want to encourage "popularity contests" and frankly, I don't think that the results of a silly forum poll won't hold any influence over the decisions of those who are truly involved with the implementation of protocol changes.  I do however feel that the vast majority of the community has not been encouraged to participate in the discussion and I think everyone should be at least somewhat active in these matters. Really, I hope to encourage some discussion among the 99% of us here that are not participating in core development, and if there are devs who are passionate and unhappy with the results they see here, perhaps they need to more strongly express their positions to the community in a way that everyone can understand so that we can make the best decision possible and keep everyone informed.  I think we all appreciate the hard work that everyone in the development team puts forth and I hope that no one feels undermined by anything that gets posted here.
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January 29, 2012, 08:44:05 AM
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99% of us here are not qualified to vote on code changes. When was the last time Micro$oft asked customers to weigh in on security updates for patch Tuesday?

Pretty much how I see it. 

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January 29, 2012, 08:59:39 AM
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Before voting I think this is a good read that everyone should take in. I know it changed my opinion on BIP16/17.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61705.0
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January 29, 2012, 09:07:05 AM
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This poll is totally not helpful. These changes are a huge fundamental change to the bitcoin protocol, and it is a bad idea for people to be treating such a serious topic like a popularity contest.

Far better would be if you closed this thread, researched the topic a bit and then make a post with a balanced summary of all the viewpoints. Like this you are encouraging everyone to pick and choose based on social proof or popularity.

And I am totally neutral on this topic.

100% true !
Voting is based on mining power, not a poll like a popularity contest.

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January 29, 2012, 03:49:40 PM
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Before voting I think this is a good read that everyone should take in. I know it changed my opinion on BIP16/17.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=61705.0

This is good advice, it is a great article and there is a great discussion here. Again though, the votes here do not actually count for anything, but the passionate and polarized response to this is surely an indication that the community here cares about this issue and is highly divided.  I think the development team should be aware that the community is watching the outcome of this and wants to be sure that it is implemented well. After all, this is not a typical software project and unlike other open-source projects, most of the users here have actual money invested in it and may walk from the project if they don't like where it is headed. I think the popular opinions are an important factor and need to be addressed delicately, this is a much more political environment than probably any other open-source project.  Also, many of us here ARE miners in pools but do not have individual votes, if we did, perhaps the miner voting results would look more like the results of this poll. Just something to think about.
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