Britain to give sex change drugs to nine-year-olds

[Chef Ramsay]

Children as young as nine will be given controversial drugs on the NHS to prepare them for sex-swap surgery, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The treatment, which halts the onset of adulthood, is aimed at youngsters who believe they are trapped in the wrong body. But critics accused the clinic offering the puberty- postponing injections of ‘playing God’.

‘I think many people will be horrified at the thought of a nine-year-old being provided with a drug that effectively stops them developing and maturing naturally,’ said Conservative MP Andrew Percy.

Others insisted that undisputed research shows that the vast majority of under-16s who
are troubled about their gender do not go on to take the drastic step of surgery. Many turn out to be gay, but no longer feel confused about whether they are male or female.

Cont...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2631472/NHS-sex-change-drugs-nine-year-olds-Clinic-accused-playing-God-treatment-stops-puberty.html
Now, British parents can sleep easier at night. Brave New World

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[protokol]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

[sana8410]

Why make such a life changing decision at such a young age. 9 years old!!!! still a child should be playing with friends , toys etc not trying to change sex. why oh why do the NHS proritise such treatment when people who are genuinely ill and need treatement for cancer etc are denied it because it is deemed too expensive. What going to happen in a few years when this child decides they want to be the sex they were actually born !!!

[beetcoin]

Why make such a life changing decision at such a young age. 9 years old!!!! still a child should be playing with friends , toys etc not trying to change sex. why oh why do the NHS proritise such treatment when people who are genuinely ill and need treatement for cancer etc are denied it because it is deemed too expensive. What going to happen in a few years when this child decides they want to be the sex they were actually born !!!

well, i don't know where i stand in this issue but to be fair, how would you feel if you are a 9 year old stuck in a girl's body, when you feel like a boy inside? that can torment you growing up feeling ostracized - like something is wrong with you, and other people keep a distance because of it.

i guess if it's affect the kid so much that he/she is depressed, it could be a good idea to consider it. if the kid is not so affected by it, then maybe wait? also kids are developing at 9-10 years old, so maybe giving them those drugs gives them more time to develop into the body/appearance that they want.

[practicaldreamer]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

Well, yes - but why let the truth get in the way of a good story  ?

[Nemo1024]

i guess if it's affect the kid so much that he/she is depressed, it could be a good idea to consider it. if the kid is not so affected by it, then maybe wait? also kids are developing at 9-10 years old, so maybe giving them those drugs gives them more time to develop into the body/appearance that they want.

That's the thing! Children start developing at that age, so both male and female hormones kick in. This might lead to the confusion, as the brain is also controlled by those hormones. dampening or interfering is plain wrong at this stage. It's like throwing a spanner into a car engine, and expect to gently slow down, but not break.

[Nathonas]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

I agree, dailymail loves to create sensationalized titles to get views. And to take attention away from how the UK government is becoming more authoritarian every day...

[Ron~Popeil]

i guess if it's affect the kid so much that he/she is depressed, it could be a good idea to consider it. if the kid is not so affected by it, then maybe wait? also kids are developing at 9-10 years old, so maybe giving them those drugs gives them more time to develop into the body/appearance that they want.

That's the thing! Children start developing at that age, so both male and female hormones kick in. This might lead to the confusion, as the brain is also controlled by those hormones. dampening or interfering is plain wrong at this stage. It's like throwing a spanner into a car engine, and expect to gently slow down, but not break.

I think most of us are confused at that age. Messing with the hormones of people with developing brains and bodies can't be a good thing.

[bryant.coleman]

I think England is lost for ever. The Pink mafia has taken over all the institutions there. They are aiming for a gender-less society. Soon there will be no males or females in England. 

[Chef Ramsay]

I think England is lost for ever. The Pink mafia has taken over all the institutions there. They are aiming for a gender-less society. Soon there will be no males or females in England. 

The last time I heard the term "England" was at the last World Cup. I thought the EU banned that word for some reason.

[bryant.coleman]

The last time I heard the term "England" was at the last World Cup. I thought the EU banned that word for some reason.

Too early to say that. The Scottish referendum is only a few months away. If Scotland actually votes for independence, then there won't be much difference between England and what remains of the UK.

[noviapriani]

At the age of nine the vast majority won't have gone through puberty which has a huge bearing on their sexual preferences. To start giving children of that age "hormone blocker's" is monstrous and is playing more to parents who just happen to think or wanted their child to be of the opposite gender. Many girls are tomboys and many boys don't like playing boy's games but with time grow into the girls and boys they were destined to be.

[bryant.coleman]

At the age of nine the vast majority won't have gone through puberty which has a huge bearing on their sexual preferences. To start giving children of that age "hormone blocker's" is monstrous and is playing more to parents who just happen to think or wanted their child to be of the opposite gender. Many girls are tomboys and many boys don't like playing boy's games but with time grow into the girls and boys they were destined to be.

In any other country, forcing the sex change of a  pre-teen kid would have been classed as a felony. Not in the UK. At this rate, soon Pedophilia and other evils will be legalized in England.

[stompix]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

This.
If you're going to read the article do it very carefully.
Also to make yourself a real impression on what kind of news this "paper" usually publishes browse a few titles.

I wound's be worried even if the dailymail says an atomic war has started in urkaine.

[E-C.Guru]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Absolutely not this.

Joke paper? Compared to ALL other "papers" that sensationalize NOTHING?

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

What rock have you been living under the past 10-50 years?

[E-C.Guru]

At the age of nine the vast majority won't have gone through puberty which has a huge bearing on their sexual preferences. To start giving children of that age "hormone blocker's" is monstrous and is playing more to parents who just happen to think or wanted their child to be of the opposite gender. Many girls are tomboys and many boys don't like playing boy's games but with time grow into the girls and boys they were destined to be.

In any other country, forcing the sex change of a  pre-teen kid would have been classed as a felony. Not in the UK. At this rate, soon Pedophilia and other evils will be legalized in England.

"Funny" fact: The lobby organizations that "fight" for homosexual rights also fight for the right to have sex with children. In the 70s or 80s they were more open about it but met too much resistance.

[bryant.coleman]

"Funny" fact: The lobby organizations that "fight" for homosexual rights also fight for the right to have sex with children. In the 70s or 80s they were more open about it but met too much resistance.

That is an important factor which can't be overlooked. There is a strong link between certain gay rights groups and the pedophilia lobby. Almost all the pedophile groups were actually founded by gay rights groups (for example, Groupe d'Étude sur la Pédophilie was founded by Infor Homosexualitaté) Nowhere it is more evident than it is in the Netherlands. Search about Vereniging Martijn.

[protokol]

Be careful reading the Daily Mail... For people not from the UK: It's basically a joke paper that sensationalizes EVERYTHING and fuels fear and hate among the more suggestible population. Sadly it has the highest circulation of any UK paper...

I wouldn't worry too much about this story - first of all the drugs are not "sex-change" drugs, they are used to inhibit hormones to delay the onset of puberty. They have been used in other applications with no issues. Also the NHS isn't going to start giving these out like candy - as with all "gender dysphoria" issues, I think doctors will be very careful when diagnosing/prescribing.

Absolutely not this.

Joke paper? Compared to ALL other "papers" that sensationalize NOTHING?

Don't worry people, the governments isn't trying to turn us into a nation of gays and trannies!!

What rock have you been living under the past 10-50 years?

Nice strawman argument: You're implying that the Daily Mail is not a joke because other papers sensationalize things too. Fail.

Both you and bryant.coleman have fallen into the classic DM traps here, and have failed to understand the full story.

The Mail does not care about anyone/anything, has no morals, is the epitome of hypocrisy, and relies on pushing the buttons of people like YOU to peddle their fear porn.

http://stephentall.org/2012/04/14/hard-to-believe-shes-just-16-the-headline-that-sums-up-the-morality-of-the-daily-mail/



The classic spread where the DM shows a sexy picture of a 15 yr old Charlotte Church, and opposite has an article complaining about the Brass Eye episode "Paedogeddon", which ironically was taking the piss out of the media's portrayal of paedophiles.

And for shits and giggles here's a collection of all the things the Mail says causes and prevents cancer. Many do both:

http://kill-or-cure.herokuapp.com/

Doesn't look that rocky from where I'm standing mate.

[E-C.Guru]

Nice strawman argument: You're implying that the Daily Mail is not a joke because other papers sensationalize things too. Fail.

No. I said other papers are not. Quite a big difference. Fail.

[bryant.coleman]

I am not a big fan of the Daily Mail. But I don' think that they are any worse off than the other popular British trash, such as The Guardian. All of the major dailies in the UK do have a tarnished reputation. And DM is no different.

[E-C.Guru]

and guru scores another 1 punch knockout.. 

[stompix]

I am not a big fan of the Daily Mail. But I don' think that they are any worse off than the other popular British trash, such as The Guardian. All of the major dailies in the UK do have a tarnished reputation. And DM is no different.

Not even close.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-easy-ways-to-spot-b.s.-news-story-internet/

#4. It's From the Fucking Daily Mail (or Another U.K. Tabloid)

[protokol]

I am not a big fan of the Daily Mail. But I don' think that they are any worse off than the other popular British trash, such as The Guardian. All of the major dailies in the UK do have a tarnished reputation. And DM is no different.

Dude, The Guardian isn't perfect, but I can't believe you just compared it to the DM. It's about as far away as it is possible to get in a British daily newspaper.

I think the Mail is actually worse than The Sun/The Daily Star and other tabloids, because it pretends to be serious. But all three are absolute shite.

The Guardian isn't that popular, it has 1/10th of the circulation of The Sun and The Mail.

Anyway I would personally avoid ALL tabloids while looking for informed opinions in British papers, best off sticking to broadsheets like The Guardian, The Times and the Telegraph. Again, they're not perfect but at least they tend to print facts, not fiction or misleading shouty headlines.

[protokol]

Not even close.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-easy-ways-to-spot-b.s.-news-story-internet/

#4. It's From the Fucking Daily Mail (or Another U.K. Tabloid)

Good read, nice one 

Quite a few people I know should read that, considering the bullshit links they keep sharing with me on facebook...

[dancupid]

It's the Daily Mail!

It's bullshit. Everything they write is bullshit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html

[bitsmichel]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2159692/Womans-mouth-falls-pregnant-squid-biting-sea-creature-scientists-claim.html

hahha this story is very amusing. No news value, but I cant say others have news value

[sana8410]

Why make such a life changing decision at such a young age. 9 years old!!!! still a child should be playing with friends , toys etc not trying to change sex. why oh why do the NHS proritise such treatment when people who are genuinely ill and need treatement for cancer etc are denied it because it is deemed too expensive. What going to happen in a few years when this child decides they want to be the sex they were actually born !!!

well, i don't know where i stand in this issue but to be fair, how would you feel if you are a 9 year old stuck in a girl's body, when you feel like a boy inside? that can torment you growing up feeling ostracized - like something is wrong with you, and other people keep a distance because of it.

i guess if it's affect the kid so much that he/she is depressed, it could be a good idea to consider it. if the kid is not so affected by it, then maybe wait? also kids are developing at 9-10 years old, so maybe giving them those drugs gives them more time to develop into the body/appearance that they want.

When I was 9 yrs old I wanted to be a womble, wonder if the NHS would fund "Womble change surgery"or a magical pill that would turn me in a womble?

[Lethn]

The Daily Mail is what would happen if internet bloggers got control of their own printable newspaper, I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

[bryant.coleman]

OK.. so far you guys had problem because the article was taken out of the Daily Mail. Leave the Daily Mail. Let's look at the other dailies... What about the Telegraph? One of the most popular dailies in the UK.

Sex change drugs 'to be offered to nine-year-olds'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/children_shealth/10839063/Sex-change-drugs-to-be-offered-to-nine-year-olds.html

Monthly injections of the drugs, known as hypothalamic blockers, are used to slow the development of the children’s sexual organs by blocking the production of the hormones testosterone and oestrogen. In boys this prevents the voice from lowering and the development of facial hair, while in girls it stops the menstrual cycle and breast development, in each case making any future sex change operation simpler.

[Lethn]

LOL bryant you're so naive You're listing blatantly right wing newspapers that are just like fox news.

[Fatpony]

If this is true then that is fcked up. Nine year old kids dont know anything so it will be parents decision, and im afraid that some sick parents could abuse this, like we wanted a girl we got a boy lets change her sex...

[bryant.coleman]

LOL bryant you're so naive You're listing blatantly right wing newspapers that are just like fox news.

In the UK there are just two types of News papers. Either right-wing or the left-wing. There are no neutral newspapers. And only the right-wing newspapers will publish stories like this one.

[Rigon]

I know of one such case, I am sure there are more, in the US where the nine-year-old male child of a Lesbian couple felt sure he was the wrong gender. He was administered drugs which essentially chemically castrated him. When I learned of the case, he was 12 or 13 and living as a teenage girl. Where do they find doctors willing to prescribe these drugs in such an appalling situation? A child may be confused about many things regarding his/her place in the world. Isn't that an occasional part of being a child (or any human for that matter.)?That should never mean the child is given the responsibility of such a consequential decision. It is madness!

[bryant.coleman]

I know of one such case, I am sure there are more, in the US where the nine-year-old male child of a Lesbian couple felt sure he was the wrong gender. He was administered drugs which essentially chemically castrated him. When I learned of the case, he was 12 or 13 and living as a teenage girl. Where do they find doctors willing to prescribe these drugs in such an appalling situation? A child may be confused about many things regarding his/her place in the world. Isn't that an occasional part of being a child (or any human for that matter.)?That should never mean the child is given the responsibility of such a consequential decision. It is madness!

Story right here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

The kid wanted to live like a male, but the lesbian parents forced him to have a sex change.

[sana8410]

I know of one such case, I am sure there are more, in the US where the nine-year-old male child of a Lesbian couple felt sure he was the wrong gender. He was administered drugs which essentially chemically castrated him. When I learned of the case, he was 12 or 13 and living as a teenage girl. Where do they find doctors willing to prescribe these drugs in such an appalling situation? A child may be confused about many things regarding his/her place in the world. Isn't that an occasional part of being a child (or any human for that matter.)?That should never mean the child is given the responsibility of such a consequential decision. It is madness!

Story right here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html

The kid wanted to live like a male, but the lesbian parents forced him to have a sex change.

I read about that case, too. It wasn't that long ago if I remember right. Where is the state's child services when you need them - appalling!

[stompix]

Quoting the article in dailytrash:

Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi

Rabbi , do Jews acknowledge such marriage?

[bryant.coleman]

I read about that case, too. It wasn't that long ago if I remember right. Where is the state's child services when you need them - appalling!

Child services people were probably scared of being labelled as homophobic, if they act against the couple. Feels sad for the kid... but there is nothing that we can do about it.  

[hello_good_sir]

This is child abuse, nothing more.

Adults with severe mental illness (transvestites) should be given treatment instead of mutilation.  Children who exhibit similar symptoms (which are probably just a phase) should not have their bodies destroyed with drugs.  In mild cases it should be allowed to pass, and in extreme cases they should be given drugs to help them develop properly into their natural sex (the one that they are born as, testicles = man, ovaries = woman).

As for the Daily Mail, it is the best UK news source.  Is it 98% sensationalist trash?  Of course, but that other 2% has more content then the rest of the UK media combined.  Whenever I see an interesting story about the goings on in the UK it is always in the Daily Mail.  I never see interesting stories in the state-run media, or the other papers.

[bryant.coleman]

Adults with severe mental illness (transvestites) should be given treatment instead of mutilation.  Children who exhibit similar symptoms (which are probably just a phase) should not have their bodies destroyed with drugs.  In mild cases it should be allowed to pass, and in extreme cases they should be given drugs to help them develop properly into their natural sex (the one that they are born as, testicles = man, ovaries = woman).

What adults should do with their body, is up to them. If they want to mutilate themselves, it is fine to me (as long as they don't harm any one else). But I agree with you on the kids. They should not be harmed. No sex change operation should be performed on the children, until they reach an age where they can think independently about it.

[sana8410]

Just in case you guys were interested, in the US, there is no minimum age for which kids can get hormone treatments. The reason this is news is because the NHS controls the UK's healthcare system. The fact that these drugs were unavailable in the UK for so long is because the NHS is a universal healthcare system that's subject to government bureaucracy most of us are against. They've been available in the states because our healthcare system is based on supply and demand. The fact that these treatments are just now coming available in the UK should be looked at as a testament to how slowly bureaucracy can affect healthcare. By being social fascists who think the world should work the way you want, you're actually giving reason for a government body to control people's healthcare.

[Littleshop]

Adults with severe mental illness (transvestites) should be given treatment instead of mutilation.  Children who exhibit similar symptoms (which are probably just a phase) should not have their bodies destroyed with drugs.  In mild cases it should be allowed to pass, and in extreme cases they should be given drugs to help them develop properly into their natural sex (the one that they are born as, testicles = man, ovaries = woman).

What adults should do with their body, is up to them. If they want to mutilate themselves, it is fine to me (as long as they don't harm any one else). But I agree with you on the kids. They should not be harmed. No sex change operation should be performed on the children, until they reach an age where they can think independently about it.

An issue is never as black and white as that.  I was friends with an activist with your position who had surgery and was not happy about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_assignment
From wikipedia:

In approximately 1 in 5,000 infants, there is enough variation in the appearance of the external genitalia to merit hesitation about appropriate assignment by the physician involved. Typical examples would be an unusually prominent clitoris in an otherwise apparently normal girl, or complete cryptorchidism or mild hypospadias in an otherwise apparently normal boy. In most of these cases, a sex is tentatively assigned and the parents told that tests will be performed to confirm the apparent sex. Typical tests in this situation might include a pelvic ultrasound to determine the presence of a uterus, a testosterone or 17-hydroxyprogesterone level, and/or a karyotype. In some of these cases a pediatric endocrinologist is consulted to confirm the tentative sex assignment. The expected assignment is usually confirmed within hours to a few days in these cases.

In a much smaller proportion of cases, the process of assignment is more complex, and involves both determining what the biological aspects of sex may be and choosing the best sex assignment for the purposes of rearing the child. Approximately 1 in 20,000 infants is born with enough ambiguity that assignment becomes a more drawn-out process of multiple tests and intensive education of the parents about sexual differentiation. In some of these cases, it is clear that the child will face major discordances or abnormalities of anatomy or function as he or she grows up, and deciding upon the sex of assignment involves weighing the advantages and disadvantages of either assignment.