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May 21, 2014, 09:58:46 PM
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I dont know that the golden goose logic is accurate 100% by economics as I am kind of a neophyte in that domain, but it definitely dumbs it down enough to make sense to me!

I just wish I had found this out ahead of time.
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May 22, 2014, 05:49:57 AM
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I already mentioned this before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498975.0

There is no machine out there right now that will get you more btc in return than you can just buy straight up with cash.  Even machine in the past have rarely ever actually made back their ROI.  I bought my Antminer S1's because it will get back close to its ROI but mostly because it's a hobby.  I like the machines and it helps me stay interested in Bitcoins.  Plus, if I would have just bought bitcoins, I would have probably traded a lot of them in for cash and spent it on stupid things by now.
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May 23, 2014, 06:23:13 AM
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IMO, the only ASIC which might bring ROI in KNC Titan, under condition you get it first. Once they deliver the entire batch, scrypt mining ll be unprofitable for almost anyone.

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May 23, 2014, 05:19:46 PM
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If you buy the hardware at the lowest price point or build your own, free power, free access to an existing NOC or data center with everything u need, why not?

I'm primarily doing it for the technical aspects as well as speculation. If you can do it on the cheap, go for it.




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May 23, 2014, 06:25:53 PM
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I already mentioned this before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498975.0

There is no machine out there right now that will get you more btc in return than you can just buy straight up with cash.  Even machine in the past have rarely ever actually made back their ROI.  I bought my Antminer S1's because it will get back close to its ROI but mostly because it's a hobby.  I like the machines and it helps me stay interested in Bitcoins.  Plus, if I would have just bought bitcoins, I would have probably traded a lot of them in for cash and spent it on stupid things by now.

If you can't get your investment back, why would anyone mine bitcoin with S1?  There is no other reason to buy unless you can profit.
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May 24, 2014, 08:42:37 PM
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The last 18% difficulty jump only confirms my statement. Buying ASIC is wasting money.

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May 26, 2014, 05:19:45 AM
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Gold is an excellent hedge of wealth in times of uncertainty and the temptation to sell off and reap the instant rewards should, wherever possible, be avoided. Too much gold entering the market might well cause a glut and lead to a price collapse. The fable told of the (golden goose) goose that laid the golden eggs gives voice to the inherent dangers of instant gratification.  Gold has always been special, synonymous with both misers as well as  the church. It fuses mystical alchemical forces with the principals of physics and maths as well as, and often better than, any cryptocurrency. Izabella Kaminska, writing in today’s Financial Times, has pointed out that the need to keep the golden goose alive, should not be lost on those companies that build our mining rigs.

We can debate all we like about the merits of Bitcoin as an investment in contrast to its merits as a currency, we can follow elderly Japanese engineers around and photograph their houses, we can argue about legislation and taxation, but we should allocate some time to discuss mining rigs and hash power. It is in fact mining rigs that, as Kaminska points out: “decides how and where wealth is allocated within the system. And that’s because they alone determine who gets brand new coins and who otherwise has to compete over existing coins instead.”  It can be argued that Bitcoin, especially historically, is fundamentally a market for hash power.  Hash-power which is now in the hands of large manufacturers that can’t even bother to ship their items in one piece. Now this raises an issue, if companies can build the next bright shiny mining rig, and many indeed do, why do they choose to sell them to us rather than use them themselves?  If you happen to own the goose that lays the golden eggs, why would you choose to sell bits of it? Kaminska points out:

“The only logical reason would either be because you know the productivity of the golden goose will go down over time — something which is the case for bitcoin because its hash rate doubles roughly every month — the goose was faulty or because someone was offering more than its value in the first place. Which means — unless you know how to make a rig yourself — chances are you won’t be making millions from a rig investment any time soon because the Bitcoin system is literally “rigged” against you from the outset.”

Perhaps the best option for harvesting golden eggs is to advertise the benefits of your mining rigs to the people who require mining rigs, but haven’t the capability to build one themselves, and take the money up-front. Welcome to a world where unsuspecting customers pay up-front for a mining rig, one that takes months to arrive, or even one that eventually arrives un-assembled. So the mining rig you’ve bought arrives months later, when the power required for successful mining has doubled or quadrupled in the intervening period. Therefore we have a market saturated with obsolete  mining rigs and miners fighting to gain a share in an ever increasingly competitive market.

Let us just hope that reality will soon set in, bearing in mind past experiences of the Bitcoin Foundation, and hash rate will be subject to a level of control. What we have now is not what Satoshi Nakamoto envisioned in 2009. That golden goose is beginning to look distinctly nervous.
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June 03, 2014, 08:23:48 AM
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What is the most wanted or most purchased ASIC machine these days? KNC, Zeus or what?

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June 03, 2014, 08:30:54 AM
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What is the most wanted or most purchased ASIC machine these days? KNC, Zeus or what?

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June 05, 2014, 02:25:33 PM
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I'm sure i'm going to get schooled, but that's the point. Woulnd't it be profitable to mine an alt coin, say LiteCoin (just an example) and afterwards exchange into bitcoin.
Ofcourse, it may be a gamble, but in best-case scenario, you should be able to mine more Bitcoins via Litecoin. Mine 55 Litecoins in x days and exchange to 1 Bitcoin rather than mine Bitcoin directly for 2x/3x days.
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