Wouldn't it be profitable for sig services to offer jobs to newbies-jr.members?

[Acidyo]

I mean, most of the well paying sig campaigns restrict their offers to members and upwards. Wouldn't a new campaign that would make it possible for newbies and jr.members for a lot less btc/post be profitable for them?

In the end what matters is that their site gets seen on the forums, so what is it that restricts everyone from offering these services to jr.members and newer ones? If I had a campaign I would offer it to only those at the moment cause there are many of those on these forums and most can't use a sig just cause they are under the limit of activity.

But then again, maybe they can't even put the sig up under their account because of their activity, I'm not sure.

What do you think?

[Mitchell]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

[hilariousandco]

Newbies can't even have links in their signatures and it's newbs that tend to do most of the spam/low-quality posts. If I was running a signature deal I'd limit it to Full Members and above only as the signatures are just too small to be that effective really. And lower ranked forum members can take part in the Bitcoin Scratchticket signature deal with referral links. You don't get much but it's better than nothing.

[dbshck]

But then again, maybe they can't even put the sig up under their account because of their activity, I'm not sure.

Yupp. Newbie cant have links, and can only write very limited characters. I think those text doesn't even comfortable to see

[Light]

I mean, most of the well paying sig campaigns restrict their offers to members and upwards. Wouldn't a new campaign that would make it possible for newbies and jr.members for a lot less btc/post be profitable for them?

I'm not sure if you remember but way back (like 6+ months ago) all member types (IIRC) were allowed the same settings for a signature so campaigns did not discriminate against what type of user you were. The whole point of the introduction of differing tiers was so that to be able to earn anything they would have to reach Member status and if they spammed they'd have to start all over again - thus disincentivising spamming as it would take a while to reach there again.

Not to mention, that I don't think Newbies are allowed links and Jrs signatures are tiny and somewhat hard to see (which is the point). 

[monbux]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Maybe not.  I've seen some newbies post some pretty good posts.  Plus, the forum restricts their number of posts per x... like every 360 seconds

[hilariousandco]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Maybe not.  I've seen some newbies post some pretty good posts.  Plus, the forum restricts their number of posts per x... like every 360 seconds

We were all newbies at one point and there are always exceptions, but it was the signal to noise ratio of newbies signing up just to take advantage and partake in the signature deals. I think the new restrictions are a good idea, and hopefully the recent bans will gently encourage people to keep the content of their posts up and everyone will be better off and benefit from it.

[Mitchell]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Maybe not.  I've seen some newbies post some pretty good posts.  Plus, the forum restricts their number of posts per x... like every 360 seconds

I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it

I know that not all of them are bad. And yes, the limit helps, but you can still spam with a 6 minute limit.

[Hazir]

If you want to spam you will be spamming no matter what. But I think current system is a good one I don't know how we could change it to be even better.
PS. This thread should be in meta not in Services imo.

[hilariousandco]

If you want to spam you will be spamming no matter what. But I think current system is a good one I don't know how we could change it to be even better.
PS. This thread should be in meta not in Services imo.

It doesn't belong in Meta as it's not directly to do with the forum, but nor is it a direct service, so I think maybe Service Discussion, but it's unique in that it's discussing several services rather than a specific one, so maybe it doesn't belong there either  . I'm sure a mod will move it soon enough if it's in the wrong section though.

[MoonRise]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Maybe not.  I've seen some newbies post some pretty good posts.  Plus, the forum restricts their number of posts per x... like every 360 seconds

Not all Newbies have this restriction , you have to wait 360 seconds only till you get 16 activity from It the wait time decreases a lot, there Is table somewhere with Activity vs wait time.

[kuusj98]

Newbie's have to learn how everything works first, and then they can place posts which are not full of BS, also, I think Bitcoin should be about "doing something" to earn, nothing comes at ease here is what I'm trying to say.

[desertfox470]

I think there used to be some for jr members. I think it would be good for jr members, but for newbies you can create endless accounts.

[Pauly454]

As a newbie myself I believe the system as it is works very well. I understand that if I contribute to the forum constructively then eventually I will be able to access greater and greater rewards as my experience with Bitcoin and the forum grows. This makes perfect sense to me.

[gondel]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

Hello,
You are absolutely right! The forum is getting crowded with newvies who are posting meanless things all over here and also trying to scam people who dodnt know some basic things
BR

[Bit-Gods]

And also if it was like this, what stops each one of us to open several accounts and spam?

[jambola2]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

I think it is quite to the contrary.

Most signature campaign owners want their brand name to be spammed.

All of the campaigns that offer to pay per post want that.
They have rules against extremely short posts ,just to make the public see some integrity.
I don't think there is any real way you can post 3000 posts per month , without spamming.

Newbies though cannot have links or even coloring , hence no advertisers want to hire them.
Jr. Members can use only links but have a character limit , hence most signatures don't fit.

Many campaigns hire Jr.Members anyways , but if you are a Newbie , it is impossible.

[acs267]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

I think it is quite to the contrary.

Most signature campaign owners want their brand name to be spammed.

All of the campaigns that offer to pay per post want that.
They have rules against extremely short posts ,just to make the public see some integrity.
I don't think there is any real way you can post 3000 posts per month , without spamming.

Newbies though cannot have links or even coloring , hence no advertisers want to hire them.
Jr. Members can use only links but have a character limit , hence most signatures don't fit.

Many campaigns hire Jr.Members anyways , but if you are a Newbie , it is impossible.

I don't think they want it spammed. Yes, some people do spam it, but not all. I'm guessing they just want their brand name well known. Not exactly spammed. Why would they want it spammed when signature deals like PD have a army of people?

[rhino34567]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

I think it is quite to the contrary.

Most signature campaign owners want their brand name to be spammed.

All of the campaigns that offer to pay per post want that.
They have rules against extremely short posts ,just to make the public see some integrity.
I don't think there is any real way you can post 3000 posts per month , without spamming.

Newbies though cannot have links or even coloring , hence no advertisers want to hire them.
Jr. Members can use only links but have a character limit , hence most signatures don't fit.

Many campaigns hire Jr.Members anyways , but if you are a Newbie , it is impossible.

I don't think they want it spammed. Yes, some people do spam it, but not all. I'm guessing they just want their brand name well known. Not exactly spammed. Why would they want it spammed when signature deals like PD have a army of people?

Spamming it makes more people aware of it, regardless of whether the post itself is constructive or not. Each posts adds to the visibility of the site. Even spam advertising is good advertising for them.

[ondratra]

The biggest with Jr. Members and Newbies is that they spam. They will take any method of getting Bitcoins and will abuse Signature Campaigns because of that. I don't say that every Jr. Member and Newbie does it, but there have been enough so that Signature Campaign owners restricted them.

I absolutely agree with you, but also think their could campaigns even for them. I image it like this: you can have several advertisements in signature as long as it is visible + you get some small price (like 0.000003 or something)  for every post you make. Only flaw is that it would need to use relyable micro transaction platform for small payments.