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May 28, 2014, 02:50:57 PM
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A long time ago I saw this video The American Dream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

It's a really good video about how the money/banking system work's today.
Also it is a nice video to show some friend's that are totally not interested in any of these subject's
Because they made it a very fun video to watch, Show your friends and family.

And in the video Andrew Jackson was really proud of 1 thing before he died (He killed the banks)
My question is What can we do to stop the banks, and let the people know bitcoin is here to take them down!
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May 28, 2014, 03:21:12 PM
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I am afraid American Dream is ghost of the past. There is a constant deflation. Problem is, the central banks are creating an inflation +2% above par.  This type of monetary policy creates hyperinflation because the basis of the credit is fiat - it is by decree.  This has only happened so many times in history, and it has never ended well. Debt needs a backing, a basis. When it has none all hell breaks loose. Chaos finds a home. There is no growth - oil exploration vs demand has shown such.  Employment has shown such. There are so many homeless, destitute - it's almost like the Elite are trying to usher in the Bible's Apocalypse.

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May 28, 2014, 03:24:30 PM
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"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
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The answer is pretty simple.........STOP SELLING BITCOIN FOR DOLLARS!!! By selling bitcoin for dollars we are #1 constantly devaluing Bitcoin and #2 by doing so We are still buying into the FIAt system and giving it the strength and value it needs to survive......... People need to hold and businesses need to store Bitcoin and use it for value not use third party payment processors that liquidate Bitcoin for Fiat its not helping its only enslaving us more......When we finally stop believing in  THE DREAM OF THE DOLLAR? Then Bitcoin it can become its own currency with no need for worthless paper dollars that are constantly devalued through inflation! The problem is exchanges and the bitcoin value being based on the Dollar! Bitcoin really needs its own intrinsic value system with people giving its value against a dollar that can be made infinitely its a losing numbers game 21 million against infinity........ The fed can just print up a trillions+ dollars and buy it out with the push of a printing press button if they really want...People need to ween themselves off the Dollar and just say NO Too IT! and realize it's complete worthlessness a dollar will always be worth less then face value in the years too come just look at the price of a Snickers bar today @ about $1.19+ ten years ago same candy bar was about .50 cents or less this is what the dollar brings us with inflation to pay more for the same thing that used to cost less  and it's only going to get worse in the years too come.......People need to get rid of there dollars for Bitcoin not the other way around only then we can break the monopoly !But people are still blind to the fact THE FED isn't even a government entity and still think it's run by our government and that we control it?people still think this is the Land of the Free......When in Reality it is HOME OF THE SLAVE LOL People need too WAKE UP first and realize they have been enslaved with Taxes and DEBT and REGISTRATIONS of PROPERTY with the Illusion that these things like Houses,Cars etc are bought and owned by us? When in reality we never owned these things to begin with because they will be taking away if not registered and paid taxes on! If you truly own something it can never be taking away by a bank or gov entity...and when and if that happens and people WAKE UP? only then we can finally rid ourselves of the KABAL and the evil  FIAT system;) People need to stop giving Fiat value because it has none only the Illusion of it implanted in our minds over the past century because we are told so..............

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May 28, 2014, 08:52:27 PM
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!But people are still blind to the fact THE FED isn't even a government entity and still think it's run by our government and that we control it?people still think this is the Land of the Free......When in Reality it is HOME OF THE SLAVE LOL People need too WAKE UP first and realize they have been enslaved with Taxes and DEBT and REGISTRATIONS of PROPERTY with the Illusion that these things like Houses,Cars etc are bought and owned by us? When in reality we never owned these things to begin with because they will be taking away if not registered and paid taxes on! If you truly own something it can never be taking away by a bank or gov entity...and when and if that happens and people WAKE UP? only then we can finally rid ourselves of the KABAL and the evil  FIAT system;) People need to stop giving Fiat value because it has none only the Illusion of it implanted in our minds over the past century because we are told so..............

Well said, we should get rid of the fiat system but so many people still believe in it, because that's what they teach us in school and on television.
And we already have so many poor and homeless in the world, if 1 American would not kill kids or innocent people in yet another shooting overthere.
But instead kill some corrupt politicians and bankers, that would be alot better then some innocents again.
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May 28, 2014, 09:11:18 PM
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!But people are still blind to the fact THE FED isn't even a government entity and still think it's run by our government and that we control it?people still think this is the Land of the Free......When in Reality it is HOME OF THE SLAVE LOL People need too WAKE UP first and realize they have been enslaved with Taxes and DEBT and REGISTRATIONS of PROPERTY with the Illusion that these things like Houses,Cars etc are bought and owned by us? When in reality we never owned these things to begin with because they will be taking away if not registered and paid taxes on! If you truly own something it can never be taking away by a bank or gov entity...and when and if that happens and people WAKE UP? only then we can finally rid ourselves of the KABAL and the evil  FIAT system;) People need to stop giving Fiat value because it has none only the Illusion of it implanted in our minds over the past century because we are told so..............

Well said, we should get rid of the fiat system but so many people still believe in it, because that's what they teach us in school and on television.
And we already have so many poor and homeless in the world, if 1 American would not kill kids or innocent people in yet another shooting overthere.
But instead kill some corrupt politicians and bankers, that would be alot better then some innocents again.

Nobody "believes" in it.  We're required by law to use fiat

Kill bankers & politicians.  Riight...So you promote murder?   Roll Eyes


     
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May 28, 2014, 09:24:54 PM
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No I dont promote murder, Im just saying that there are so many gun incidents in the Usa.
Where they kill alot of Kids or Just innocent people that work most of the time.
I just wish they dont kill the innocent's but the banksters and politicians

Oh and most of the friends I have, they believe we can never be without fiat.
They really think its a great thing (some of them)
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May 28, 2014, 09:29:57 PM
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America, the city of God! Oh see can you see?
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May 28, 2014, 09:45:29 PM
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No I dont promote murder, Im just saying that there are so many gun incidents in the Usa.
Where they kill alot of Kids or Just innocent people that work most of the time.
I just wish they dont kill the innocent's but the banksters and politicians

Oh and most of the friends I have, they believe we can never be without fiat.
They really think its a great thing (some of them)

It was a nice sugestion but it couldn't be done!
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May 28, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
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When we know the rules, we can try to go against it but like fighting with gravity, you'll be exhausted after a while.
The alternative is too play with it, the pragmatic adjusts the sails. Make bankers and politicians work for you.

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May 29, 2014, 12:01:02 PM
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When we know the rules, we can try to go against it but like fighting with gravity, you'll be exhausted after a while.
The alternative is too play with it, the pragmatic adjusts the sails. Make bankers and politicians work for you.

Yeh but how do we do that man ?
The inflation is getting worse, and people dont seem to care at all.
Maybe we should organize a bank run or just make some bad press about banks and fiat currency.
To wake up some people.
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May 29, 2014, 01:34:59 PM
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When we know the rules, we can try to go against it but like fighting with gravity, you'll be exhausted after a while.
The alternative is too play with it, the pragmatic adjusts the sails. Make bankers and politicians work for you.

Yeh but how do we do that man ?
The inflation is getting worse, and people dont seem to care at all.
Maybe we should organize a bank run or just make some bad press about banks and fiat currency.
To wake up some people.

If we believe the currency will go down, the only thing we have to do is to store the wealth elsewhere than in a fiat.
Inflation can be good news if you do that.

And when enough person do that... the bank run will happen by itself Wink

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May 29, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
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Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”

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May 29, 2014, 11:36:14 PM
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Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”


Hard to believe some people foresee the problem 300+ years ago.
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Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”


Hard to believe some people foresee the problem 300+ years ago.

Maybe he assumed it to happen sooner? Jefferson didn't say when it will happen, he said _if_ it happens. It's the same if i say that "when Ireland wins FIFA world cup, there will be huge party in Dublin".. I don't say when it happens.. i just say what is the cause of one happening.

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The American dream is in other countries too... It's not always about freedom and ritches.. it's more like "go to school, get a job, buy a house, get married, have kids, you are doing fine".. But it's same kind of lie because everybody can't achieve all that. Then people are told to blame themselves for "not doing hard work".. It's not his fault.. it's the system. It's not possible for everybody to succeed. In a different system it might be possible to everyone to have decent life but not everyone can be rich.
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June 01, 2014, 07:50:48 AM
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"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
-George Carlin

I think most americans still dont realize how they are, i mean they are at the border of economic and fiat colapse, they think something like that cant happen.

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Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”


Hard to believe some people foresee the problem 300+ years ago.

Maybe he assumed it to happen sooner? Jefferson didn't say when it will happen, he said _if_ it happens. It's the same if i say that "when Ireland wins FIFA world cup, there will be huge party in Dublin".. I don't say when it happens.. i just say what is the cause of one happening.

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The American dream is in other countries too... It's not always about freedom and ritches.. it's more like "go to school, get a job, buy a house, get married, have kids, you are doing fine".. But it's same kind of lie because everybody can't achieve all that. Then people are told to blame themselves for "not doing hard work".. It's not his fault.. it's the system. It's not possible for everybody to succeed. In a different system it might be possible to everyone to have decent life but not everyone can be rich.

The American dream was always a contrast to the nightmare of the old world.  The one problem now is that American values have now entrenched themselves throughout the world, unless you happen to live in backwater like Burma (which only recently brought in Coca Cola), your society has been thoroughly Americanized (is your country a democracy?  does it have free speech and recognition of property?  Has class distinction been diminished?)


There were advantages to having been American back in the 1960s but those days are long gone.  If the American dream is being able to work yourself into a middle class existence with a house and an automobile, those things are arguably more accessible in Germany than in the US these days.  More accessible as a Polish plumber in Britain who can work in the UK for 20 years and retire and live like a king in Poland.


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June 01, 2014, 08:10:33 AM
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Thomas Jefferson – “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the very continent their fathers conquered!”

I wanna call Mythbusters on this


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"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
-George Carlin

Another relevant quote from Carlin that I like:

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For a long time, my stand-up material has drawn from three sources. The first is the English language: words, phrases, sayings, and the way we speak. The second source, as with most comedians, has been what I think of as the “little world,” those things we all experience every day: driving, food, pets, relationships, and idle thoughts. The third area is what I call the”big world”: war, politics, race, death, and social issues. Without having actually measured, I would say this book reflects the balance very closely. The first two areas will speak for themselves, but concerning the “big world,” let me say a few things. 

I’m happy to tell you there is very little in this world that I believe in. Listening to the comedians who comment on political, social, and cultural issues, I notice most of their material reflects an underlying belief that somehow things were better once and that with just a little effort we could set them right again. They’re looking for solutions, and rooting for particular results, and I think that necessarily limits the tone and substance of what they say. They’re talented and funny people, but they’re nothing more than cheerleaders attached to a specific, wished-for outcome. I don’t feel so confined. I frankly don’t give a fuck how it all turns out in this country – or anywhere else, for that matter. I think the human game was up a long time ago (when the high priests and traders took over), and now we’re just playing out the string. And that is, of course, precisely what I find so amusing: the slow circling of the drain by a once promising species, and the sappy, ever-more-desperate belief in this country that there is actually some sort of “American Dream,” which has merely been misplaced. The decay and disintegration of this culture is astonishingly amusing if you are emotionally detached from it. I have always viewed it from a safe distance, knowing I don’t belong; it doesn’t include me, and it never has. No matter how you care to define it, I do not identify with the local group. Planet, species, race, nation, state, religion, party, union, club, association, neighborhood, improvement committee; I have no interest in any of it. I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to. So, if you read something in this book that sounds like advocacy of a particular political point of view, please reject the notion. My interest in “issues” is merely to point out how badly we’re doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don’t confuse me with those who cling to hope. I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they “ought to be.” And I certainly have no interest in fixing them. I sincerely believe that if you think there’s a solution, you’re part of the problem. My motto: Fuck Hope! P.S. Lest you wonder, personally, I am a joyful individual with a long, happy marriage and a close and loving family. My career has turned out better than I ever dreamed, and continues to expand. I am a personal optimist but skeptic about all else. What may sound to some like anger is really nothing more than sympathetic contempt. I view my species with a combination of wonder and pity, and I root for it’s destruction. And please don’t confuse my point of view with cynicism; the real cynics are the ones who tell you everything’s gonna be all right. P.P.S. By the way, if, by chance, you folks do manage to straighten things out and make everything better, I still don’t wish to be included.

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"It's called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it."
-George Carlin

Another relevant quote from Carlin that I like:

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For a long time, my stand-up material has drawn from three sources. The first is the English language: words, phrases, sayings, and the way we speak. The second source, as with most comedians, has been what I think of as the “little world,” those things we all experience every day: driving, food, pets, relationships, and idle thoughts. The third area is what I call the”big world”: war, politics, race, death, and social issues. Without having actually measured, I would say this book reflects the balance very closely. The first two areas will speak for themselves, but concerning the “big world,” let me say a few things.

I’m happy to tell you there is very little in this world that I believe in. Listening to the comedians who comment on political, social, and cultural issues, I notice most of their material reflects an underlying belief that somehow things were better once and that with just a little effort we could set them right again. They’re looking for solutions, and rooting for particular results, and I think that necessarily limits the tone and substance of what they say. They’re talented and funny people, but they’re nothing more than cheerleaders attached to a specific, wished-for outcome. I don’t feel so confined. I frankly don’t give a fuck how it all turns out in this country – or anywhere else, for that matter. I think the human game was up a long time ago (when the high priests and traders took over), and now we’re just playing out the string. And that is, of course, precisely what I find so amusing: the slow circling of the drain by a once promising species, and the sappy, ever-more-desperate belief in this country that there is actually some sort of “American Dream,” which has merely been misplaced. The decay and disintegration of this culture is astonishingly amusing if you are emotionally detached from it. I have always viewed it from a safe distance, knowing I don’t belong; it doesn’t include me, and it never has. No matter how you care to define it, I do not identify with the local group. Planet, species, race, nation, state, religion, party, union, club, association, neighborhood, improvement committee; I have no interest in any of it. I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to. So, if you read something in this book that sounds like advocacy of a particular political point of view, please reject the notion. My interest in “issues” is merely to point out how badly we’re doing, not to suggest a way we might do better. Don’t confuse me with those who cling to hope. I enjoy describing how things are, I have no interest in how they “ought to be.” And I certainly have no interest in fixing them. I sincerely believe that if you think there’s a solution, you’re part of the problem. My motto: Fuck Hope! P.S. Lest you wonder, personally, I am a joyful individual with a long, happy marriage and a close and loving family. My career has turned out better than I ever dreamed, and continues to expand. I am a personal optimist but skeptic about all else. What may sound to some like anger is really nothing more than sympathetic contempt. I view my species with a combination of wonder and pity, and I root for it’s destruction. And please don’t confuse my point of view with cynicism; the real cynics are the ones who tell you everything’s gonna be all right. P.P.S. By the way, if, by chance, you folks do manage to straighten things out and make everything better, I still don’t wish to be included.

Pretty amusing for a useless mouthy fool who has been suckling on the man tits of those 'sappy dreams' for all his life, yet finds it comfortable enough to bitch about it Smiley

George Carlin and the rest of those posh smart mouths are in fact the pus dripping from over abundance and complacency that is the cancer of any developed society.

Take note and check yourselves...fucking kids these days Smiley
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