BMF has lost access to it's wallet [UnModerated]

[ABitInterested]

I'm not really angry. For a long time I was laughing at fluffypony, and I told him so. It's so obvious how wrong they are that past a certain point you just have to pat them on the head and say "there, there".

I have no skin in this game and really do not care but you specifically said "what if your house burns down!" in regards to USB backups.

To that I say, what if it does? Unless your house burns down the exact instant your standard backup is corrupted you simply make a new backup and go about your day.

That is of course ignoring the obvious step of keeping the two backups in different locations.

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[fluffypony]

usagi, I know this is the Internet but you don't always have to "win" or get the last word in. Sometimes it's ok to say something like "you know what, you're right and I'll remember that in the future".

This is specifically regarding your ridiculous post about house fires and USB backups. I can't believe that you are that dim so obviously it was typed with the sole purpose of "winning" the argument.

Such a simple, minor thing should not anger you so.

I'm not really angry. For a long time I was laughing at fluffypony, and I told him so. It's so obvious how wrong they are that past a certain point you just have to pat them on the head and say "there, there".

[ondratra]

Hey guys, I tried to show you what was a good backup. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7031124#msg7031124

usagi's backup did not follow:

offsite. despite claimining it is "offsite", it's managed by the same provider, so I consider it to be the same point of failure
offline: nope, by his own admission. claims "usb keys fail". well, then, keep two. keep your online backup and one offline. omg revolutionary!!!
history: probably not
encrypted: unknown, probably not
tested: lol

Even if we abide by usagi's fail definition of offsite, he failed everywhere else.
Spending $10000 on backup when you can achieve that for $100 tops is adding insult to injury.

What else is there to add?

But don't worry, this happens to the best.

I agree with this completely. Even with last paragraph - as you might read about Slush's stolen BTC some time ago.

On other hand(unrelevant) I don't believe that those USB sticks are more durable to situations like house fire(very high temperatures) or house beign destroyed(like earthquakes, etc.).


Hopefully there will be services in future that will guarantee your BTC won't be stolen/lost by some kind of insurence or something similiar so everyone running service with lot of BTC could use it for everybody's sake(even the owner). Because let's be clear, after BTC will become legal tender there won't be any difference between stolen/lost BTC and default/scam.

[E.Sam]

Hey guys, I tried to show you what was a good backup. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631605.msg7031124#msg7031124

usagi's backup did not follow:

offsite. despite claimining it is "offsite", it's managed by the same provider, so I consider it to be the same point of failure
offline: nope, by his own admission. claims "usb keys fail". well, then, keep two. keep your online backup and one offline. omg revolutionary!!!
history: probably not
encrypted: unknown, probably not
tested: lol

Even if we abide by usagi's fail definition of offsite, he failed everywhere else.
Spending $10000 on backup when you can achieve that for $100 tops is adding insult to injury.

What else is there to add?

But don't worry, this happens to the best.

I agree with this completely. Even with last paragraph - as you might read about Slush's stolen BTC some time ago.

On other hand(unrelevant) I don't believe that those USB sticks are more durable to situations like house fire(very high temperatures) or house beign destroyed(like earthquakes, etc.).


Hopefully there will be services in future that will guarantee your BTC won't be stolen/lost by some kind of insurence or something similiar so everyone running service with lot of BTC could use it for everybody's sake(even the owner). Because let's be clear, after BTC will become legal tender there won't be any difference between stolen/lost BTC and default/scam.

For a cheap cold storage solution just buy a raspberry pi, install armory via USB stick (http://coldpi.com/manuals/install.html), and use the offline wallet feature if you need to effectuate transactions (https://bitcoinarmory.com/about/using-our-wallet#offlinewallet). Backup your private keys on 2 5 10 (lets be paranoid) heavily encrypted USB sticks and untrust them to people you know (family, friends, bank safe, collar of your dog, etc...).
Assuming you already have an online computer, the raspberry pi + 10 USB sticks will set u back $100-$150
easy 

[Sydboy]

lol usage you speak of being anonymous
no one even knows if you are male or female.

another VIP turned scammer. Actually in fairness. You have been a scammer, on these forums since 2011.
Yeah, that implies you may have been a scammer for longer.

What does it feel like to be so stupid you lose money, or other people money ?

The great usagi the web wallet coder, but can't do a simple backup.

[usagi]

What does it feel like to be so stupid you lose money, or other people money ?

I don't know.

[fluffypony]

I thought this was a gem:

Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.

[usagi]

I thought this was a gem:

Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.

Of course you would -- you know this isn't what happened, you know you're blowing things out of proportion, but because you're a malicious asshole you post "Oh look at this gem" on a news release thread. This is why the real thread is moderated -- people like you are simply not welcome. You have nothing to add except dead weight.

[fluffypony]

I thought this was a gem:

Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.

Of course you would -- you know this isn't what happened, you know you're blowing things out of proportion, but because you're a malicious asshole you post "Oh look at this gem" on a news release thread. This is why the real thread is moderated -- people like you are simply not welcome. You have nothing to add except dead weight.

My boy, I haven't called you a scammer once. You, on the other hand, have resorted to personal attacks instead of admitting your own failures or even explaining: who you paid for your offsite backups, and why those backups are inaccessible (even a very ancient backup of wallet.dat is a backup). Two questions, two direct answers, yet you are unable to give them.

I don't think you're a scammer, I just think you're completely technically and managerially inept, and I find your deflection on the backup issue quite strange.

[watcoin]

So how does a person responsibly back up?

Personally all of mine are encrypted then zipped and uploaded to mega. I also keep a copy on two SD cards and one memory stick. All of them are in different locations. I figure that I am safe.

[usagi]

I thought this was a gem:

Vexual: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold.

Of course you would -- you know this isn't what happened, you know you're blowing things out of proportion, but because you're a malicious asshole you post "Oh look at this gem" on a news release thread. This is why the real thread is moderated -- people like you are simply not welcome. You have nothing to add except dead weight.

My boy, I haven't called you a scammer once. You, on the other hand, have resorted to personal attacks instead of admitting your own failures or even explaining: who you paid for your offsite backups, and why those backups are inaccessible (even a very ancient backup of wallet.dat is a backup). Two questions, two direct answers, yet you are unable to give them.

I don't think you're a scammer, I just think you're completely technically and managerially inept, and I find your deflection on the backup issue quite strange.

Great - you had your say, I had my say, why do you still want to talk about it? How long do you want to discuss this?

last one out hit the lights

[fluffypony]

Usagi I got you a present. And no, it's not a My First Backup kit. Here:

[usagi]

Nice video, unfortunately the "we may never know..." line is more than a little ironic -- based on what you've said in this thread it's quite clear you are not intellectually capable of understanding what I am working on.

Hint: When I said I hadn't done any work on the web wallet for over a year since I sold the code, that should have been a major clue. Do you even know what BMF does?

Hint #2: You are a terrible embarrassment to this community. You & team produced that video why? Because you chose to believe a lie? Nice, so you're not just stupid, you're gullible too. What a combo! Congratulations!

[SirChiko]

WTF dude why didn't you back it up yourself?

[fluffypony]

Nice video, unfortunately the "we may never know..." line is more than a little ironic -- based on what you've said in this thread it's quite clear you are not intellectually capable of understanding what I am working on.

Hint: When I said I hadn't done any work on the web wallet for over a year since I sold the code, that should have been a major clue. Do you even know what BMF does?

Hint #2: You are a terrible embarrassment to this community. You & team produced that video why? Because you chose to believe a lie? Nice, so you're not just stupid, you're gullible too. What a combo! Congratulations!

Are we still playing the game where you insult me personally and directly instead of providing a rational answer to the questions raised? I thought we'd stopped that already, since such personal attacks have never worked for anyone in all of recorded human history.

[usagi]

Nice video, unfortunately the "we may never know..." line is more than a little ironic -- based on what you've said in this thread it's quite clear you are not intellectually capable of understanding what I am working on.

Hint: When I said I hadn't done any work on the web wallet for over a year since I sold the code, that should have been a major clue. Do you even know what BMF does?

Hint #2: You are a terrible embarrassment to this community. You & team produced that video why? Because you chose to believe a lie? Nice, so you're not just stupid, you're gullible too. What a combo! Congratulations!

Are we still playing the game where you insult me personally and directly instead of providing a rational answer to the questions raised? I thought we'd stopped that already, since such personal attacks have never worked for anyone in all of recorded human history.

It's not an insult. You are not capable of doing work on the projects I am working on -- you're not qualified.

I'm saying this because I'm trying to shock you back to reality.

Do you have any concept of the moral high ground? You think you've won some kind of game here -- but you have no idea what you lost, do you?

Recall the words of Robert Frank; socially responsible firms often progress ahead of their rivals in highly competitive environments, because their commitment to principle makes them more attractive as partners to do business with.

You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling.

11:58:05fluffypony:"@fluffyponny @jurov @davout @pankkake please stay out now from this postings, everyone know now that only 4 or 5 guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ IRC chat only claims problems with us how sad is that for you guys, do you not have any work in real life? do you only accuse other companies of scam and more, each forum member looks to your profile history can see that the only people accuse others of scam are a small group talking 24


No shit, but this isn't news, we've known this for the last two years haven't we?

[watcoin]

Usagi I got you a present. And no, it's not a My First Backup kit. Here:

Good troll

[fluffypony]

It's not an insult. You are not capable of doing work on the projects I am working on -- you're not qualified.

I'm saying this because I'm trying to shock you back to reality.

Do you have any concept of the moral high ground? You think you've won some kind of game here -- but you have no idea what you lost, do you?

Recall the words of Robert Frank; socially responsible firms often progress ahead of their rivals in highly competitive environments, because their commitment to principle makes them more attractive as partners to do business with.

You guys have no idea how badly you've screwed up trying to troll people to get ahead, and all the junk lies that you are telling.

11:58:05fluffypony:"@fluffyponny @jurov @davout @pankkake please stay out now from this postings, everyone know now that only 4 or 5 guys from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ IRC chat only claims problems with us how sad is that for you guys, do you not have any work in real life? do you only accuse other companies of scam and more, each forum member looks to your profile history can see that the only people accuse others of scam are a small group talking 24


No shit, but this isn't news, we've known this for the last two years haven't we?

"You are not capable of doing work on the projects I am working on -- you're not qualified." - does this mean you're finally revealing that you're the person behind AuroraCoin?

Also, you're quoting the words of BitcoinBourse as a defence?

[Little P 1]

This forum serves no purpose besides slowly but surely robbing users of their coins.
Do not trust anyone, especially at the higher level.
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Dear Mr ,

pankkake

to paint us all black.

As black as I am... is a sad thing in my opinion.

www.cryptovest.co.uk

If you want to try a company that is not here to steal users coins.

[queptiv]

lol lost access to its wallet, what is this 2011