So, when I got back, and he got online again, I got into a talk. The most important excerpts:
[19:40] <Shadlington> If we go for it I'll push for bit pay
[19:40] <Mqrius> For you guys, I think a payment processor is the best solution, yeah
[19:40] <Shadlington> Was just looking at that page you linked and was thinking it sounded good
[19:41] <Shadlington> Especially as it seems it'll pay into your bank account
[19:41] <Shadlington> So we don't need to worry about the exchange bit
[19:41] <Mqrius> Setting up manual requires technical background info. Not to set it up, but to check if you're setting it up correctly
[19:41] <Mqrius> Yeah, you can choose if you want to be paid in bank-account-money or bitcoin, I think
[19:41] <Shadlington> So really all we have to do is plug in to their api and it'll handle the complicated stuff?
[19:41] <Mqrius> Yup
[19:42] <Shadlington> Excellent
[19:42] <Shadlington> Sounds good
[19:42] <Mqrius> I think it works just like paypal in terms of customer and salesman ease, except that they accept bitcoin
[19:42] <Shadlington> I'll talk to our web guy to see if he'd be comfortable writing the necessary stuff for that (I suspect so) and then push it on MM
[19:42] <Mqrius> (People doing things manually usually have a standing sale order on an exchange, and send all coins to the exchange immediately, where they are sold. That way the time between selling KAG and turning the bitcoins into USD or whatever is short)
[19:42] <Shadlington> Thanks very much for your help
[19:43] <Mqrius> I suggest contacting Tony
[19:43] <Shadlington> Sure
[19:43] <Mqrius> He'll be able to help with any questions easily
[19:43] <Mqrius> Even if you choose not to go for that eventually
[19:43] <Shadlington> Need to discuss with the other first though
[19:43] <Shadlington> I am a lesser member of the team, don't have the authority to make decisions like this
[19:44] <Mqrius> Yeah, I understand. I hope I can transfer some of my enthousiasm to you though
[19:44] <Shadlington> Hehe
[19:44] <Shadlington> I like the idea
[19:44] <Shadlington> Already did
[19:44] <Shadlington> I love supporting shit like this
[19:44] <Shadlington> Just practicalities that get in the way
[19:45] <Shadlington> And if they're not difficult to overcome, then why not
[20:10] <Shadlington> I know Geti has heard of it too
[20:10] <Shadlington> Don't remember what he said about it though
[20:11] <Shadlington> I think he was hesitant to commit to supporting it
[20:11] <Shadlington> Because he didn't know about it
[20:11] <Mqrius> Geti does webdev, right?
[20:11] <Shadlington> Nah
[20:11] <Shadlington> He is one of the 2 game devs
[20:11] <Shadlington> And does all the art
[20:11] <Mqrius> Oh right
[20:11] <Shadlington> Geti & MM are the core team
[20:11] <Mqrius> right
[20:11] <Mqrius> Not knowing about it can be remedied by learning about it
[20:11] <Shadlington> Yeah
[20:12] <Shadlington> But I didn't finish
[20:12] <Shadlington> I think he assumed it would be tricky to make it pay out in 'real' monies
[20:12] <Shadlington> As I thought could possibly be the case too
[20:12] <Shadlington> but anyways, that doesn't appear to be the case so I see no reason he can't be convinced
[20:12] <Shadlington> Also, I could be mis-remembering
[20:13] <Shadlington> This was a conversation a long time ago
[20:13] <Shadlington> Actually
[20:13] <Shadlington> Found log
[20:13] <Shadlington> He is for bitcoins
[20:13] <Mqrius> Yeah, bit-pay makes it trivial. Manual is also rather easy: I think you can have international payouts to a bankaccount every now and then, so it could even arrive in Polish money
[20:13] <Mqrius> Oooh nice
[20:14] <Mqrius> Show him bitpay
[20:14] <Shadlington> But doesn't think they're 'worth it' because they aren't widely used enough
[20:14] <Shadlington> But if its easy its worth it
[20:14] <Mqrius> Archive.org started accepting bitcoin donations, and got about 400 BTC in a week, iirc. That's about 2000 usd
[20:14] <Mqrius> Don't know how much they got now
[20:15] <Shadlington> Oh, sick
[20:15] <Shadlington> Okay well that's good news anyways
[20:16] <Shadlington> I'm pretty sure I can make a somewhat convincing argument anyways
[20:16] <Mqrius> You'll get /at least/ one sale, from me xD
[20:16] <Shadlington> Haha
[20:17] <Mqrius> The current worth of bitcoin is about $50 million
[20:17] <Mqrius> There should be plenty for KAG
[20:17] <Shadlington> Ha
[20:18] <Shadlington> How much gets used for purchases of goods, on a daily basis, dya think?
[20:18] <Shadlington> I thought a lot of people hoarded it
[20:20] <Mqrius> I don't know exactly. According to Tony: "I'd say tens of thousands at the moment. Somewhere between 10k and 100k in dollar terms"
[20:20] <Shadlington> You talking to him right now?
[20:20] <Mqrius> Yeah, I've got him on skype
[20:20] <Shadlington> Oh, cool
[20:20] <Shadlington>
[20:20] <Mqrius> Yeah
[20:20] <Shadlington> That sounds like a good amount anyways
[20:21] <Shadlington> I just want to be able to say to Geti/MM 'people use it!!!'
[20:34] <Shadlington> Been talking to the guy that deals with most of the business
[20:34] <Shadlington> He says this
[20:34] <Shadlington> Ill put bitcoins as the second thing to look at after we setup the new payment system <-tl;dr[20:34] <Shadlington> One thing with bitcoins is that they can easily be stolen, as they are just a file on your pc
[20:34] <Shadlington> Michal would have to convert them to traditional currency quickly
[20:34] <Shadlington> Is that bit true?
[20:34] <Shadlington> The stealing thing
[20:34] <Shadlington> I remember hearing about theft of them being a problem
[20:35] <Mqrius> When you use bit-pay, they can't be stolen. Bit-pay handles all bitcoinrelated things.
[20:35] <Mqrius> When you do it manual, then yes, if someone steals your private key, then they can spend your bitcoins (just like pub/privkey crypto)
[20:36] <Mqrius> You can encrypt the key though, which basically makes it safe when not used
[20:36] <Mqrius> That's the most common countermeasure
[20:37] <Mqrius> Really security-paranoid people could generate a bitcoin address on a computer that's not connected to the internet, then send the bitcoins to the public key (you don't need a connection to "accept" bitcoins, since the only thing that needs to happen is storing the transaction on the network)
[20:38] <Mqrius> Now and then they jump through some hoops to securely get a chunk of money from their secure address to a "daily" address.
[20:38] <Mqrius> But yeah, when using bit-pay, they will worry about the security, and you run no risk
[20:38] <Mqrius> (About exactly how they secure their stuff, you'd have to ask Tony)
[20:39] <Shadlington> Okay
[20:39] <Shadlington> So
[20:39] <Shadlington> Business guy seems keen
[20:39] <Mqrius> The thing you heard about stealing bitcoins may be from the early days, when the client wasn't evolved enough to support wallet encryption. Then stealing the wallet file was enough
[20:39] <Shadlington> So after the current system is done
[20:40] <Shadlington> We'll hopefully take a stab at bitcoins
[20:40] <Mqrius> Cool
[20:40] <Shadlington> Almost certainly using bit-pay
