Illegal "UN" helicopter shot down in Slavyansk.

[247crypto]

What will say UN in this occasion?

[bryant.coleman]

Alex Bukovsky tweeted a few minutes ago that an Ukrainian army helicopter was hit by MANPADS from the Slavyansk militia. It couldn't take off and was left in the field. I am not sure whether this is the same heli.

[Nemo1024]

No, it's not, unless they took time to remove the white pain, something I cannot see them doing in all the chaos.

[bryant.coleman]

Close to 40% of the population of Slavyansk have fled to the Southern villages and towns. Fierce fighting is ongoing in the Outskirts. Meanwhile, the Donetsk People's Army is claiming that they have captured the pilot of the downed helicopter.

http://ria.ru/world/20140603/1010432874.html

[niothor]

What will say UN in this occasion?

Nothing because based on the pics it's not an UN helicopter that was shot down .

[bryant.coleman]

Nothing because based on the pics it's not an UN helicopter that was shot down .

But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

[RodeoX]

But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

If that turns out to be true it will be a big deal. That is a clear violation of international law. If it just turns out that the rebels shot down a random UN heli, that would also be a violation. It's getting confused over there. A sure sign that the war is beginning. In a few years it will all be tears and regret on both sides.

[niothor]

But it is clear that the Ukrainian authorities had earlier used a helicopter painted as UN, to bomb the residential areas of Donbass. The pictures of the helicopter were widely circulated in the social media.

If that turns out to be true it will be a big deal. That is a clear violation of international law. If it just turns out that the rebels shot down a random UN heli, that would also be a violation. It's getting confused over there. A sure sign that the war is beginning. In a few years it will all be tears and regret on both sides.

Indeed , never though of this one.
The UN  could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.

It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

Remember that plane in Libya that started all?

[bryant.coleman]

The UN  could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.
It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

UN never conducts helicopter missions without announcing them to the media sources. And in this case, there are no United Nations peacekeepers stationed anywhere in Ukraine.

[Nemo1024]

Moreover UN officially stated their concern when those pictures were first published, distancing themselves from the deployment of that chopper.

[niothor]

The UN  could come out and say that the helicopter was on a normal patrol or carrying god knows what.
It could be the thing they waited for to deploy troops in the region.

UN never conducts helicopter missions without announcing them to the media sources. And in this case, there are no United Nations peacekeepers stationed anywhere in Ukraine.

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

[Nemo1024]

An interesting reading here:
http://www.beaconreader.com/matthew-russell-lee/as-ukraine-uses-un-helicopters-un-stonewalls-as-it-did-on-weapons-in-south-sudan

Why not deny it outright?

Here's the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_g5TKSb8AI

I don't know... There is not really much contextual info to go by. Some say it's from Congo from two years back.

[bryant.coleman]

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

On 30th May, Ban Ki Moon stated that there are no UN monitors in Eastern Ukraine. He said that right now the only international monitors present in the Eastern Ukraine are from the OSCE. As far as I know, OSCE personnel doesn't use UN transportation.

[Mr Tea]

The helicopter was illegal or shooting it down was illegal?

[bryant.coleman]

The helicopter was illegal or shooting it down was illegal?

We are trying to confirm this. So far, according to the reports which I have got, this is my assumption.

1. The Ukrainian Army some how got hold of an abandoned UN chopper (probably a helicopter leased from the Ukrainian Army by the UN earlier).
2. They used this chopper (without any modification or painting) to bomb the civilian areas.
3. The Donetsk People's Army downed the chopper with MANPADS.

[247crypto]

This helicopter landed for evacuate troops from "UN" helicopter.
Still no picture about white "UN" helicopter.

[niothor]

It doesn't have to be peacekeepers but just UN monitors like those for human rights. And they were deployed in Ukraine for over a month.

On 30th May, Ban Ki Moon stated that there are no UN monitors in Eastern Ukraine. He said that right now the only international monitors present in the Eastern Ukraine are from the OSCE. As far as I know, OSCE personnel doesn't use UN transportation.

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

The United Nations is deploying a human rights monitoring team throughout Ukraine to help establish the facts surrounding human rights violations, including in Crimea, and de-escalate tensions in the country.

They have never been withdrawn from the country.

[bryant.coleman]

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

The UN says that there are no monitors there, and there are no media reports about them either. Could you provide some links to prove your claims? I still doubt whether they will be stationed in front-line cities such as Slavyansk.

[TECSHARE]

Didn't they use this same trick on Saddam? In fact it is a commonly known ploy to insert international forces with or without local consent. (btw just because  I used the word saddam doesn't mean I support him either)

[niothor]

Un monitors have been deployed on march 14th.

The UN says that there are no monitors there, and there are no media reports about them either. Could you provide some links to prove your claims? I still doubt whether they will be stationed in front-line cities such as Slavyansk.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47809#.U5Ba0fnV8vw

Following the release of the report produced by her 34-member monitoring team in Ukraine, UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay called on “those with influence on the armed groups responsible for much of the violence in eastern Ukraine to do their utmost to rein in these men who seem bent on tearing the country apart.”


Funny how no longer than two weeks ago you were criticizing the same report as being biased  ))
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Countries/UA/HRMMUReport15May2014.pdf