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June 05, 2014, 09:29:47 AM
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Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

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June 05, 2014, 09:32:35 AM
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I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.
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June 05, 2014, 09:33:09 AM
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Isn't it happening to most first world countries? I agree with point 1 through 3 but I don't understand the viewpoints for points 4 and 5.
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June 05, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
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Dey tuck r jerbs. Those points are typical guff racists usually spread to fearmonger and cast blame. What culture is being eroded exactly? Then again, the Native American culture and population got destroyed pretty quickly by immigrants so maybe you're right.

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June 05, 2014, 09:41:54 AM
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I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.

This.

Immigrant in the early days (18th to early 20th century) add value to the country. And they don't breed like rabbits.

Personal responsibility and saving were encouraged.


Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.
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June 05, 2014, 09:46:48 AM
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Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.

And White Americans don't do any of this? Typical guff. You're stereotyping and making mass generalisations. 

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June 05, 2014, 09:48:15 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't USA is entirely comprised from immigrants, with the original population and its culture all but driven to extinction.

So your point 3 is already accomplished.

Point 2: stop driving those stupidly huge cars!

Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..

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June 05, 2014, 09:48:32 AM
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I'm assuming that the OP is a native American Indian.

The USA is a nation of immigrants. Even immigrants in the USA complain about immigrants. It just seems to be what they do. People here in the UK say they want to leave because there are too many immigrants, and by leaving, they become immigrants.

It seems that every immigrant wants to be the last immigrant.

I was going over some documents from the national archive in the UK. There is a set of correspondence between Lord Balfour and Justice Louis Brandeis, often known as the father of American Zionism. It is a little known fact that both Balfour and Brandeis supported Zionism because they were anti-Semitic.

Balfour didn't like Jews and wanted them to go to Palestine instead of come to the UK. Brandeis (born to Jewish immigrants from Bohemia) supported Zionism because he didn't want Russian Jews coming to the US. They weren't the right kind of Jew.


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June 05, 2014, 09:53:45 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2014, 10:52:16 AM by vokain
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Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.

And White Americans don't do any of this? Typical guff. You're stereotyping and making mass generalisations.

Leina is referring specifically to the immigrants that used to add net value to the US. You're taking a a few sentences out of their context. See text right above the text you quoted.
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June 05, 2014, 10:03:53 AM
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I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.
By cultural erosion i  meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences. Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.

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June 05, 2014, 10:05:20 AM
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Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..
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June 05, 2014, 10:08:49 AM
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Loads and loads of people from across the globe are immigrating to America for different purposes.. Their aims and purposes are getting fulfilled but America is actually getting destroyed..
Some adverse affects are as below :
- Americans are losing their job
- There has been an increase in crime, pollution and traffic congestion
- Erosion of culture
- Over-utilization of resources such as electricity, gas, food, etc
- Loss in form of remittance

You are free to debate, confirm on\off any of the combinations above..
You are forgetting that US is a country made up of immigrants themselves. Or as they like to call themselves, 'COLONISTS'. The original inhabitants of the land they are residing on are Native Americans who had their lands taken away from them and treated very badly by the colonists.

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June 05, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
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Every american is an immigrant. The so called "pilgrim fathers" were nothing else than European immigrants.

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June 05, 2014, 10:18:41 AM
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I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.
By cultural erosion i  meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences. Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.
US was formed in 1776, they only have 238 year's worth of history compared to older civilizations like Great Britain or China. So it's not unfair to say that they should give equal chances to people who want to move to their country to seek a better life as long as they can contribute and they don't really have any 'culture' to speak of yet.

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June 05, 2014, 10:22:29 AM
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Not so any longer. Seen people abuse the marriage system, family relation to get their entire family into US. They take more than they give because of subsidy and freebie. And they abuse the credit system and commit tax fraud with no consequence.

And White Americans don't do any of this? Typical guff. You're stereotyping and making mass generalisations.

Leina is referring specifically to the immigrants that used to add value to the US. You're taking a a few sentences out of their context. See text right above the text you quoted.

And he's taking a few immigrants out of context. And he's blaming a small portion of immigrants when a larger percentage of "Americans" will also do the same or similar.  

I blame the welfare state (wrought by selfishness and political pandering) and erosion of a free market, otherwise immigrants would add value. America is destroying herself. Sorry if I don't go more in-depth on substantiating this opinion.

Can you elaborate on what you mean though by 'erosion of culture'? Culture is a dynamic idea.
By cultural erosion i  meant the systematic devaluation, sometimes leading to the deletion, of certain aspects of our culture due to foreign influences.Such influences could wipe out a people’s memory of their past; their traditional cultural practices; and their language. Above all, it can change their worldview, including their perception of reality .And here I am talking about the Mexican,Indian and Chinese influence over the native Americans and colonist traditions and language.

What about the Native Americans here? And are you actually American or possibly an immigrant? From previous experiences from you I gathered English wasn't your first language?

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June 05, 2014, 10:41:44 AM
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We can not surely say that USA is adversely affected by Immigrants because if USA will be restricted to Americans only It cant be a super power.USA actually needs talents, best ideas, strategies and other positive qualities across the globe.

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June 05, 2014, 10:50:53 AM
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America has always been seen as a land of opportunity, a land of new beginnings where it promises fortune and wealth should you prove yourself worthy through merit. Millions of people have migrated there in pursuit of the American Dream. It was a principle which allowed them to attract talent from all over the world and build themselves into the superpower they are today.
So immigration is a good thing. As long as you can make sure those migrants are talented enough to contribute to the growth of your country.

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June 05, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
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I'm sure the native americans have asked themselves the same things about white american immigrants.
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June 05, 2014, 01:11:18 PM
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I'm sure the native americans have asked themselves the same things about white american immigrants.
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June 05, 2014, 01:22:31 PM
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The problem with the US is that they are getting too few high-skilled immigrants and they are getting too many of those illiterate and illegal immigrants.

For any person who is working in white-collar fields such as IT, Banking or Medicine, the American Work Visa is extremely difficult to get. The Democrats have made it extremely difficult for Europeans to get the US visa.

The Mexican illegals on the other hand have no such problems. They are being able to travel to and fro as they wish, and work without paying a penny in taxes. They even have sanctuary cities, which protect them.
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