Why is BITMAIN selling used products ?

[edgar]

welcome to reality OP.

it IS disgusting!

it IS immoral!

it IS dishonest!

it IS greedy!

and it probably is illegal, but theyre based in china with a very different mentality than what you may be accustomed to.

he/they also sell;

broken, poorly packaged, late shipped products complete with;

shit PSUs, shit SD cards, shit chinese PSU cables, SHIT thermal compound application & my absolute favourite - SHIT technical assistance & customer service.


dogie approves & justifies this conduct...


iglasses gets it. not much to be done other than sort it out yourself the best you can or abstain from buying.

or you could cut n paste a bunch of stuff and then contact every manufacturer requesting evaluation rigs, this will not gove you a rounded perspective as to their actual behaviour as they will send you a good rig and in good time for free.

but at least you will have positioned yourself well to suck their balls publicly for the awesome gear they gave you for fuck all - while rubbing ppls noses in it who purchased their rigs with their own money and got shafted again and again.


the choice as they say, is yours.

[philipma1957]

welcome to reality OP.

it IS disgusting!

it IS immoral!

it IS dishonest!

it IS greedy!

and it probably is illegal, but theyre based in china with a very different mentality than what you may be accustomed to.

he/they also sell;

broken, poorly packaged, late shipped products complete with;

shit PSUs, shit SD cards, shit chinese PSU cables, SHIT thermal compound application & my absolute favourite - SHIT technical assistance & customer service.


dogie approves & justifies this conduct...


iglasses gets it. not much to be done other than sort it out yourself the best you can or abstain from buying.

or you could cut n paste a bunch of stuff and then contact every manufacturer requesting evaluation rigs, this will not gove you a rounded perspective as to their actual behaviour as they will send you a good rig and in good time for free.

but at least you will have positioned yourself well to suck their balls publicly for the awesome gear they gave you for fuck all - while rubbing ppls noses in it who purchased their rigs with their own money and got shafted again and again.


the choice as they say, is yours.

   Well to be more accurate you are complaining about the s-2. 

  My s-1 experience was pretty good. I never purchased an s-2 and I think that I won't buy one.

 The psu is high quailty ,but   it is not rated for running the s-2. 

  a 1200 watt or a 1300 watt  is the correct size. 

 Anyone that purchased an s-2  with knowledge of the psu being too weak and needing to be replaced.

 But the s-2 had poor packing  and bitmaintech has given poor support for the broken ones.

[Bicknellski]

Ok so let me get this straight.

You have stock because you likely over produced the miners.
So you mine them and then you sell them as orders come in.

Did anyone ask if they were new?
Did anyone ask if they were mined previously?
Is there any statement anywhere on the site they are new and never mined?

Just wondering.

[Zelek Uther]

So we want companies to:
1) fund all product development out of their own pocket, i.e. no pre-orders
2) have in-stock miners
3) test the miners (because we don't want untested product that might not work)

... but we don't want them to mine with the units before selling them.

I think the OP would be happy/happier if they cleaned the dust off first.

This isn't going to happen unfortunately.

[Xian01]

Anyone that purchased an s-2  with knowledge of the psu being too weak and needing to be replaced.

 I'm really pleased with my Batch 3 S2 purchase, and looking forward to my Batch 4 purchase arriving later this week. The power supply seems to be miraculously doing it's job. I really should swap out for a 1200W power supply at some point. It did not appear to be a "quick" work when I took to top off, and appears to be about a 15-30 minute job to perform the transplant, with seemingly needing to take the boards out to get access to the power cables.

 It's a quality product compared to some of the A1 clones that are being pumped out.

 The only bummer with the S2's are the greater-than-desired duplicate and stale share submissions, but despite that, it reports a steady near 1THs at the pool.

 Wish I picked up a couple back in that $1650 group buy Juan ran :|

 As for packing, I do recall reading unfortunate anecdotes from Group 1 and 2 buyers, but I believe the issues have been largely resolved in Batches 3 and 4.

 Can't wait for the upcoming 28nm product from Bitmain !

 </fanboi>

[Zich]

This is off topic but better lock this thread since majority opinion disagree with OP...

[Bicknellski]

This is off topic but better lock this thread since majority opinion disagree with OP...

Huh?

Disagree?

The point is who cares I think.

People are going to buy these things from "stock" if they are mining or not. This is not pre-order BFL type shit and they rarely mess up the shipping unlike Technobit where things magically disappear then reappear back at Technobit.

[dlm1130]

I have purchased many miners from Bitmain, S1 and S2. Never has one appeared to have seen any use. In fact, they were so clean and unscarred I wondered if they had even been functionally tested. But I have yet to have ever had a DOA or failure of any kind.

[Zich]

This is off topic but better lock this thread since majority opinion disagree with OP...

Huh?

Disagree?

The point is who cares I think.

People are going to buy these things from "stock" if they are mining or not. This is not pre-order BFL type shit.

I did "disagree" with the OP since i more prefer on hand miner.

[DrG]

A year ago people (including me) would have begged Avalon to ship our Batch 3 units used and not sit on them mining.  Well at least it's an improvement.

Did bitmain advertise them as new?  Are they so dusty that it would be considered a possible health issue (ie allergen spewing)?  If not I would just ignore it and just not do business with them again.

It's a global commerce.  Although I in the western world have become accustomed to getting new items when I buy them unless they're labeled as used or refurb I guess this may not be the case everywhere else.

[lowbander80]

With the chinese we are nearly ready to forget our consumer habits
Change the miner product for a car lets say and make your comparison


1) new car is a new never USED car  or a car taking passengers for 3months in China
    New miner is a used 3months hashing for the seller and then when paid off
sold to the new succer with profit

2) When a car does not run you return it immidiatelly request a new car or money back
when a miner does not run you have to be an electric engineer to find out WHERE  is the
problem with the board / PSU or loose cables.YOU can only email them and they will say to you OK
pay post expenses possible export taxes to return it in your expenses and there is no known future
as both money and product on the air....

3)the list can go on and on and on can include guarantee that there is NON existant,  can include customer support that its poor,  can include BTC theft that its common,  can include many criminal activities that they are present but not punished.


I am not strange just fustrated with the chinese customer support
In the United states and Europe the buyer can FCUK the seller if something is wrong with the product
but I see that with Bitcoin miners happens excactly the opposite.
Are there any drugs inside the miners making all of us including me
act like sheeps.



Remember its our money and our electricity making them rich.
I learned from my first work to expect honest payment for a days work and honest spending of this money
so I enjoy them
We must make rules that sellers must follow not what happens now
for instance what is this situation with the preorders......
The Chinese make investments with MY MONEY and if this does not go wrong wow investment failed.....
BTC lost effort hope and electricity.

All these items have very very low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) due to noise heat expenses
if at least they had a profit it would be different but doing all this and loose
not even river jordan will wash my sins....

I think that the future of Bitcoin is to be spread from miners into others and become and
expand the currency we want.
if the Miners are the first to be screwed what is the future of this currency

I would propose if the operators can do it to be able to vote for the companies with good
overall performance and this voting to be continued with comments kinda ebay feedback system

or demand from all the companies to sell their items directly with ebay.
if this was possible

B -
K-- m----
B----ne
Co--t----
names you all know

and possibly others I forget would not be able to trick anyone.
Ebay is not the paradise of good people but its better that here

HEELLOOO you dont have the product available bye bye
No preorder
Put your onw money expenses and effort to produce it then be able to sell it
this way you will honor your product and your buyer.

and others would not be super rich and thieves
I dont know do I only see things this way.
I have collected an amount of BTC with mining and ready to purchase a miner
What to choose is a big question when you have the BTC

SMART REPLIES or COMPANY EMPLOEES / DEFENDERS PLEASE SAVE THEM

[philipma1957]

With the chinese we are nearly ready to forget our consumer habits
Change the miner product for a car lets say and make your comparison


1) new car is a new never USED car  or a car taking passengers for 3months in China
    New miner is a used 3months hashing for the seller and then when paid off
sold to the new succer with profit

2) When a car does not run you return it immidiatelly request a new car or money back
when a miner does not run you have to be an electric engineer to find out WHERE  is the
problem with the board / PSU or loose cables.YOU can only email them and they will say to you OK
pay post expenses possible export taxes to return it in your expenses and there is no known future
as both money and product on the air....

3)the list can go on and on and on can include guarantee that there is NON existant,  can include customer support that its poor,  can include BTC theft that its common,  can include many criminal activities that they are present but not punished.


I am not strange just fustrated with the chinese customer support
In the United states and Europe the buyer can FCUK the seller if something is wrong with the product
but I see that with Bitcoin miners happens excactly the opposite.
Are there any drugs inside the miners making all of us including me
act like sheeps.



Remember its our money and our electricity making them rich.
I learned from my first work to expect honest payment for a days work and honest spending of this money
so I enjoy them
We must make rules that sellers must follow not what happens now
for instance what is this situation with the preorders......
The Chinese make investments with MY MONEY and if this does not go wrong wow investment failed.....
BTC lost effort hope and electricity.

All these items have very very low WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) due to noise heat expenses
if at least they had a profit it would be different but doing all this and loose
not even river jordan will wash my sins....

I think that the future of Bitcoin is to be spread from miners into others and become and
expand the currency we want.
if the Miners are the first to be screwed what is the future of this currency

I would propose if the operators can do it to be able to vote for the companies with good
overall performance and this voting to be continued with comments kinda ebay feedback system

or demand from all the companies to sell their items directly with ebay.
if this was possible

B -
K-- m----
B----ne
Co--t----
names you all know

and possibly others I forget would not be able to trick anyone.
Ebay is not the paradise of good people but its better that here

HEELLOOO you dont have the product available bye bye
No preorder
Put your onw money expenses and effort to produce it then be able to sell it
this way you will honor your product and your buyer.

and others would not be super rich and thieves
I dont know do I only see things this way.
I have collected an amount of BTC with mining and ready to purchase a miner
What to choose is a big question when you have the BTC

SMART REPLIES or COMPANY EMPLOEES / DEFENDERS PLEASE SAVE THEM

 The problem with the op is he picked possibly the best miner ever made.  pretty much bullet proof gear.  

shipped successfully to homes at an over 95% rate and over 95% of them work fine.

 (guessing on the 95% I believe it is more like 97 %)

  I ordered 20 and had 19 of 20 work great.  the support on the dud sucked  but since it is a license to print money leaglly.

I will live with it.     Cars are not  built for the sole purpose to make money s-1's were built to do just that.

 (and act as a space heater in the winter)

[wpgdeez]

I have purchased many miners from Bitmain, S1 and S2. Never has one appeared to have seen any use. In fact, they were so clean and unscarred I wondered if they had even been functionally tested. But I have yet to have ever had a DOA or failure of any kind.

I have ordered 30 S1's and all of them looked new as well.

[fusa]

I have purchased many miners from Bitmain, S1 and S2. Never has one appeared to have seen any use. In fact, they were so clean and unscarred I wondered if they had even been functionally tested. But I have yet to have ever had a DOA or failure of any kind.

Indeed, same experience. But perhaps the last miners that they sold for 0,4xx BTC where used in BITMAIN's farm...

[cozk]

I have purchased many miners from Bitmain, S1 and S2. Never has one appeared to have seen any use. In fact, they were so clean and unscarred I wondered if they had even been functionally tested. But I have yet to have ever had a DOA or failure of any kind.

Indeed, same experience. But perhaps the last miners that they sold for 0,4xx BTC where used in BITMAIN's farm...

Thanks to the people who posted their opinion is this thread. Appreciated even if you disagree.

Looked exactly like this, maybe a little worse (picture from another user with the same experience as me).

Didnt take my own pictures, i had other things going on and its not like i had recourse.

[Bitsaurus]

I have purchased many miners from Bitmain, S1 and S2. Never has one appeared to have seen any use. In fact, they were so clean and unscarred I wondered if they had even been functionally tested. But I have yet to have ever had a DOA or failure of any kind.

Indeed, same experience. But perhaps the last miners that they sold for 0,4xx BTC where used in BITMAIN's farm...

Looked exactly like this, maybe a little worse (picture from another user with the same experience as me).

Didnt take my own pictures, i had other things going on and its not like i had recourse.

Looks similar to the seasoning salt that Yifu shipped my Avalon with.  Bastards mined with the hardware for months on end...

[sebdude420]

Its sold out man be happy they had some left.

[nwfella]

Welcome to the sad but true state of affairs in bitcoin mining.  Everybody is mining with their own equipment prior to shipping and if you think for one moment they are only burn-in testing these puppies for only a day or two your kidding yourself.

[BCwinning]

I thought if a company had a physical location in the states they needed to abide by the laws?
Selling something used as new would be illegal isn't it? My S1 was dusty and it wasn't from a day or three burn in as well.
It's unethical but so are the people selling used S1's for the price of a new one (before they were discontinued)

[Biodom]

I thought if a company had a physical location in the states they needed to abide by the laws?
Selling something used as new would be illegal isn't it? My S1 was dusty and it wasn't from a day or three burn in as well.
It's unethical but so are the people selling used S1's for the price of a new one (before they were discontinued)

Their website only says that it will be shipped within 48hr and it will have a 90 day warranty. There is nothing else. One of my units looked slightly used or was earlier version with wires attached to PCIe port, but it turned out to be the best, most reliable producer out of all others, which were "new" by the looks and had extra oozing paste. Again, I think that you guys basically have a buyers remorse. Once you are in the plus column, this should fade away.