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June 11, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.
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June 11, 2014, 01:05:05 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.

A bit more education before diving in might have helped you avoid some frustration.

Yes, a transaction fee of 0.0001 BTC per kilobyte is generally recommended.

Since this is a single transaction received at an address, the transaction that sends it back out should certainly be less than a kilobyte.  Therefore, a transaction fee of 0.0001 BTC should be sufficient.  If you're really in a hurry, then a transaction fee of 0.0002 BTC would put you ahead of most other transactions in priority of being processed.

The "double spend" shouldn't be a concern.  The new transaction should confirm just fine if it included a sufficient fee.  The "double spend" warning is just something that some of the block explorers do to let others know that those same bitcoins were previously included in a transaction that has not yet confirmed.

Are you willing to share the transaction ID or bitcoin address?  If so, we might be able to look at it and let you know if there is some reason it isn't confirming quickly.

Bitcoin is still in its infancy, and it is still published as "beta test" software.  As such there are some technical issues that will improve with time.  One of those issues is fee discovery (figuring out how much fee is necessary so you can pay enough without over paying).  The underlying technology is revolutionary, but the user interface still has a ways to go.
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June 11, 2014, 01:54:56 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.
The bad experience is not Bitcoin's fault, it's the online wallets which are the issue. There is a reason why you can download your own wallets to use.

If you are writing this like a review, you're doing a bad job.

You never bothered to get your own wallet (Kind of important for things such as these) and it looks like you did no research what-so-ever. Blame the wallets, don't say that Bitcoin isn't user-friendly. In reality, it is very friendly, assuming you know the right stuff to use.

I am not sure what else to say, other than do your research before starting. Once everything becomes finalised for the mainstream, then if something like this happens, you can complain. Otherwise, no.
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June 11, 2014, 02:08:26 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.
The bad experience is not Bitcoin's fault, it's the online wallets which are the issue. There is a reason why you can download your own wallets to use.

If you are writing this like a review, you're doing a bad job.

You never bothered to get your own wallet (Kind of important for things such as these) and it looks like you did no research what-so-ever. Blame the wallets, don't say that Bitcoin isn't user-friendly. In reality, it is very friendly, assuming you know the right stuff to use.

I am not sure what else to say, other than do your research before starting. Once everything becomes finalised for the mainstream, then if something like this happens, you can complain. Otherwise, no.

Its always your fault with the bitcoin community. When you get scammed.. your fault. When your wallet gets hacked.. your fault. When the largest exchange runs off with your money.. your fault. When your funds get stole out of an escrow.. your fault. Bitcoin is not user friendly at all.. not even close.
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June 11, 2014, 03:12:43 AM
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I agree with the topic and part of the OP.
I still do not understand how we are going to buy a cup of coffee  with BTC one day.. and even wait for 1 confirmation. Maybe we will be lucky and the coffee is still warm, and that is just 1 confirmation... imagine 6.

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June 11, 2014, 03:15:56 AM
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I agree with the topic and part of the OP.
I still do not understand how we are going to buy a cup of coffee  with BTC one day.. and even wait for 1 confirmation. Maybe we will be lucky and the coffee is still warm, and that is just 1 confirmation... imagine 6.

Why would you wait 1 confirmation?

When I pay with my credit card, they don't make me wait 6 months in the store before they serve me.
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June 11, 2014, 03:26:41 AM
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No Bitcoin is not a super user friendly thing. But wait, did anybody proclaimed this?
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June 11, 2014, 05:41:13 AM
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I agree with the topic and part of the OP.
I still do not understand how we are going to buy a cup of coffee  with BTC one day.. and even wait for 1 confirmation. Maybe we will be lucky and the coffee is still warm, and that is just 1 confirmation... imagine 6.

Why would you wait 1 confirmation?

When I pay with my credit card, they don't make me wait 6 months in the store before they serve me.

Exactly. I don't get why people keep bringing this 'how will I buy a cup of coffee because of confirmations' thing up like it's a problem. There's a few videos on YouTube of people buying coffee with Bitcoin and the whole process takes under a minute and probably roughly the same amount of time as it takes to wait for your creditcard transaction to confirm.

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June 11, 2014, 06:01:13 AM
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What'd you spend your BTC on?
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June 11, 2014, 07:12:02 AM
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they are not friendly user if you dont know how to handle it properly you need to learn a lot read and understand how to use it wisely and how to make it revolve around the bitcoin planet  Cheesy sure that there are a lot of people who is after your bitcoin that is why you need to know how to protect it so no one can except you know how to have access to it
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June 11, 2014, 08:21:23 AM
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Learn and read before using bitcoin.

Pretty same as learning how to drive a car.
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June 11, 2014, 08:31:04 AM
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Who ever said it was user-friendly and who said you should come and participate?

During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet

Maybe review your knowledge-gathering process before blaming something else.

Its always your fault with the bitcoin community. When you get scammed.. your fault. When your wallet gets hacked.. your fault. When the largest exchange runs off with your money.. your fault. When your funds get stole out of an escrow.. your fault. Bitcoin is not user friendly at all.. not even close.

Of course it's your fault! This isn't nanny-state protecting every idiot from the stuff he fcks up. This is pure self-responsibility. All the problems you list are (greedy) idiot problems. It's not that I didn't "lose" some coins myself, but I don't cry about it, I learn from it and therefore I'm not an idiot anymore. That process doesn't seem to work with all idiots, though.
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June 11, 2014, 08:40:22 AM
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Bitcoin is a type of currency, like normal credit cards and fiat money, and they also went through, different stages of development.

How long did it take, for human kind, to evolve from paying eachother with huge stones, with holes in the middle, to the modern day, paper money and debit cards?

Crypto currency, is still in it's infant stage. {Compared to fiat, we skipped the stones, and paying with goats, and we now paying with cold coins} We will soon enter the paper money stage of fiat.  Grin

Be patient, one bad experience, in these early stages, is normal. {It's like being a early adopter, when buying a new version of the Windows OS... you going to have @##@$#%}

The currency is working, but it needs a bit of tweaking, to make it more user friendly for the mainstream to adopt it, as a currency.


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June 11, 2014, 08:55:26 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.

You should use a desktop wallet on a secure computer, not online websites; This is because 'private keys' are used to send money, and the only way to have private keys is to use a desktop wallet. If you do not have the private key, you do not control the money; That said, you may want to contact the coinbase / blockchain guys about your problem.

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June 11, 2014, 09:02:21 AM
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I took the plunge and baught my first bitcoin last week. It was a long process but overall not a bad experience at Coinbase to buy it.
During the wait I looked to arm myself with knowledge about how to safely hang on to my coin, so I immediately withdrew it from Coinbase and sent it on over to Blockchain.info wallet; big mistake.
I spent some of my coin and have about .03 left, which equates to about $30 as of writing this. 48 hours ago I used blockchain.info's wallet to send it back to my Coinbase to cash it out, and it just sat there at unconfirmed. After hours of researching it, I concluded the wallet didn't add a transaction fee, so I had to wait 2 days for the transaction to be rejected(?) and reappear in my blockchain wallet.
This morning my coin was back in my blockchain wallet (yay!!!), so I attempt to send it to my Coinbase wallet again and this time I made sure I included a generous fee (as advised by the support at blockchain.info). 12 hours later I get the first confirmation, and to my dismay it now shows a double-spend error. I have no clue what to do at this point, and I am unsure 3+ more days of frustration are worth the effort to retrieve my $30. I have no idea what is going on, all I know is my $30 is unattainabe, and there is very little information on how to retrieve it.
I feel frustrated, ripped off, and overall had a absolute terrible experience.
The bad experience is not Bitcoin's fault, it's the online wallets which are the issue. There is a reason why you can download your own wallets to use.

If you are writing this like a review, you're doing a bad job.

You never bothered to get your own wallet (Kind of important for things such as these) and it looks like you did no research what-so-ever. Blame the wallets, don't say that Bitcoin isn't user-friendly. In reality, it is very friendly, assuming you know the right stuff to use.

I am not sure what else to say, other than do your research before starting. Once everything becomes finalised for the mainstream, then if something like this happens, you can complain. Otherwise, no.

Its always your fault with the bitcoin community. When you get scammed.. your fault. When your wallet gets hacked.. your fault. When the largest exchange runs off with your money.. your fault. When your funds get stole out of an escrow.. your fault. Bitcoin is not user friendly at all.. not even close.

This is sad but true. If the community is to grow things like keeping your bitcoin from being stolen need to be easier/less problematic.

There are some projects in the works that should make things easier but we will have to see how they work on release.
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June 11, 2014, 11:19:59 AM
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What'd you spend your BTC on?

Everything you would like to buy from Amazon, CVS, Dell, etc. http://www.gyft.com/shop-for-gift-cards/

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June 11, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
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For people with no patient, there are other coin out there with faster confirmation.
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June 11, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
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I find the blockchain.info smart phone app to be very user friendly. press receive button, bitcoins come in, press send button, they go out, add a fee if you want faster processing, don't if you are willing to wait. That's pretty much all there is to it. You are saying its so complicated but thats only because you somehow managed to miss basically the only thing that you need to know. Roll Eyes

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June 11, 2014, 04:20:38 PM
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For people with no patient, there are other coin out there with faster confirmation.

What can I buy with those coins, other than bitcoin? Cheesy

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For people with no patient, there are other coin out there with faster confirmation.

What can I buy with those coins, other than bitcoin? Cheesy

I sell silver for nxt.

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