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June 12, 2014, 03:00:15 AM |
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Good idea to put marriage contract in blockchain which is more secure and transparent. suggest someone creates marriage coin that combines all of these concepts together.
That could give new meaning to the phrase pump and dump.
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June 12, 2014, 03:54:17 AM |
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June 12, 2014, 04:01:01 AM |
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Getting married by blockchain is pretty awesome. That is ground breaking, but it seems like to me this will indeed be the rule.
As much as bitcoiners don't like it. I can even see each country setting up some kind of account for each citizen on the blockchain at birth, where public records about that person can be stored. Graduations, marriages, public elections, certifications, criminal convictions...... Once on, they can't ever be erased! Asking somebody for their bitcoin ID and seeing a picture of them posted on the blockchain every few years, even some biometric data would be an identity that couldn't be faked.
Scary yes, but once we the community unleashes the block chain on the world for our needs and the governments are stuck with it, surely they will find a way to make it meet their needs too. If somebody doesn't believe that governments won't someday exploit the blockchain, they are not paying attention to history.
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June 12, 2014, 05:25:42 AM |
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Getting married by blockchain is pretty awesome. That is ground breaking, but it seems like to me this will indeed be the rule.
I can even see each country setting up some kind of account for each citizen on the blockchain at birth, where public records about that person can be stored. Graduations, marriages, public elections, certifications, criminal convictions...... Once on, they can't ever be erased! Asking somebody for their bitcoin ID and seeing a picture of them posted on the blockchain every few years, even some biometric data would be an identity that couldn't be faked.
Great I can see this actually working as a valuable infometric tracking system The problem with it is that if people can all access everything in a public blockchain then it would be a bit easy to forge as well. Still a similar system could work Anyways the marriage through blockchain is a cool way to do it.
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June 12, 2014, 07:27:32 AM |
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congrats on your wedding but... what?? you will put a contract on blockchain? do you think blockchain could last forever as your wedding? errhhmmm well i dunno bro the thing about the wedding is sacred i dunno maybe its just me but i will never ever do that thing seems that you are not so serious about getting married it will be safe to put all the funds on the bank
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greenlion
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June 12, 2014, 09:21:18 AM |
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This procedure is only really as valid as the preponderance of people who at least vaguely understand the legitimacy of publicly uploading a hash digest of a document to the blockchain. There is no legal precedent that I'm aware of that in any way recognizes this kind of notary, but then again this being an experiment in statelessness, I guess it doesn't matter, at this point this is kind of a "are you allowed to swear alone in the woods" situation!
It proceeds from the premise that they don't need the state's blessing to engage in a partnership. I tend to agree with the premise. Going to a notary public with a contract that they prepared is equally stateless in every conceivable way. The blockchain quo blockchain is not relevant at all to what makes this exercise stateless.
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June 12, 2014, 09:26:22 AM |
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on the wedding night reception, please have beyonce singing "if you like it, you should put a blockchain on it.. oh oh oh , a oh oh oh" now seriously. if you want success, make some video's. research http://lifeonbitcoin.com/ as a way to validate your donation plea. and then go speak to a lawyer about the validity of a marriage contract that is not state approved (not on their special paper) "if you sent it then you should have put a fee on it" OMG here comes laughter again...sorry OP but this is just way too funny. I do congratulate you on your partnership with a woman and idea you are trying to pull. I really understand it. If you somehow put it inside blockchain, it's staying there forever (or at least, as long as blockchain is alive and / or not trimmed)
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MTJ151
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June 12, 2014, 11:01:34 AM |
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If you have a birth certificate and a Social Security Number, then you haven't removed the State. No marriage license is, however, a start. Consider a UCC-1 filing. See http://www.abodia.com/ucc/ to begin your education. If you already have done your UCC-1 financing statement, keep studying so that you don't wind up accidentally opting back in. this.
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CoinDiver (OP)
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June 12, 2014, 09:44:50 PM |
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There is no legal precedent that I'm aware of that in any way recognizes this kind of notary, but then again this being an experiment in statelessness, I guess it doesn't matter, at this point this is kind of a "are you allowed to swear alone in the woods" situation!
Getting married by blockchain is pretty awesome. That is ground breaking, but it seems like to me this will indeed be the rule.
Pretty much. I didn't intend on blazing a trail on this, but I'm happy to as long as we can preserve some degree of privacy. Ideally, we (and our agents/lawyers) would draw up the terms of the contract, and only the hash would ever become public. I do believe we will need witnesses to our public keys. Each of us would have a key pair, and independently sign the contract with our private key, and publish the signature with our public key on the blockchain. Has no one done this yet with any sort of contract?
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June 12, 2014, 10:28:10 PM |
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next step: joint savings address (long term) that has 2 private keys that you give to your families for safe keeping. In other words, it takes the 2 of you cooperating to withdraw any value from the address. Put aside a small amount monthly. It will take years for divorce law to catch up with that one.....
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June 12, 2014, 10:36:57 PM |
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Any contract that you enter into is something that may need to be enforced in the future and you would need to use the state to enforce such contract.
The best way to setup smart contracts on the blockchain would be to set up a trust that holds a particular asset then have the trustee direct the "benefit" of the trust to the holders of the BTC address that contains the outputs linked to the contract.
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CoinDiver (OP)
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June 13, 2014, 02:06:46 PM |
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Any contract that you enter into is something that may need to be enforced in the future and you would need to use the state to enforce such contract.
The best way to setup smart contracts on the blockchain would be to set up a trust that holds a particular asset then have the trustee direct the "benefit" of the trust to the holders of the BTC address that contains the outputs linked to the contract.
I won't use the state to enforce a contract. I won't enter in to the contract if my only option is state enforcement. It's not an option. I hold access to the relatively small amount of BTC we have saved. I have the key, and the wallet files. She knows the key, but does not have physical access to the wallet files directly. A good friend of mine has access to the encrypted wallet files, but does not have access to the key. They could collude to access it, it's not likely at this moment. If it becomes likely, the arrangement would have to change. For now, she is likely to benefit from 100% of the stash. She'd benefit from less than 100% if she were to make some deal to access them. I have no reason not to trust her, but my feelings have no place in my security protocol. On another note, is there a printing shop takes BTC as a payment? We sent out announcements a couple months ago, but formal invitations need to go out soon.
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June 13, 2014, 02:56:23 PM |
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Good Idea. But I consider it if I have 100 BTC and then it I'll would do it to protect my bitcoin from my wife in case of quarrels or horns
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June 13, 2014, 08:19:30 PM |
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congrats on your wedding but... what?? you will put a contract on blockchain? do you think blockchain could last forever as your wedding? errhhmmm well i dunno bro the thing about the wedding is sacred i dunno maybe its just me but i will never ever do that thing seems that you are not so serious about getting married it will be safe to put all the funds on the bank
But isn't the blockchain probably the one piece of data in the world that is the least likely to be lost right now?
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June 13, 2014, 08:26:07 PM |
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it makes perfect sense. if you are getting married, you are basically being chained.. to the block?
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June 13, 2014, 08:30:31 PM Last edit: June 13, 2014, 08:40:58 PM by str4wm4n |
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If you have a birth certificate and a Social Security Number, then you haven't removed the State. No marriage license is, however, a start. Consider a UCC-1 filing. See http://www.abodia.com/ucc/ to begin your education. If you already have done your UCC-1 financing statement, keep studying so that you don't wind up accidentally opting back in. Curious if you've done this personally to become a secured party creditor? Also, I think using the blockchain for contracts such as marriage is a really cool idea and is definitely the future.
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June 13, 2014, 09:59:50 PM |
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Any contract that you enter into is something that may need to be enforced in the future and you would need to use the state to enforce such contract.
The best way to setup smart contracts on the blockchain would be to set up a trust that holds a particular asset then have the trustee direct the "benefit" of the trust to the holders of the BTC address that contains the outputs linked to the contract.
I won't use the state to enforce a contract. I won't enter in to the contract if my only option is state enforcement. It's not an option. I hold access to the relatively small amount of BTC we have saved. I have the key, and the wallet files. She knows the key, but does not have physical access to the wallet files directly. A good friend of mine has access to the encrypted wallet files, but does not have access to the key. They could collude to access it, it's not likely at this moment. If it becomes likely, the arrangement would have to change. For now, she is likely to benefit from 100% of the stash. She'd benefit from less than 100% if she were to make some deal to access them. I have no reason not to trust her, but my feelings have no place in my security protocol. On another note, is there a printing shop takes BTC as a payment? We sent out announcements a couple months ago, but formal invitations need to go out soon. How would you enforce a contract without the state? If one party were to default on their side on a contract you could contact them to try to work things out but if you are unable to reach a resolution you would need to involve the courts to get your contract enforced. If you are not willing to do this then the other party has little incentive to honor their part of the bargin.
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June 13, 2014, 10:33:47 PM |
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If you have a birth certificate and a Social Security Number, then you haven't removed the State. No marriage license is, however, a start. Consider a UCC-1 filing. See http://www.abodia.com/ucc/ to begin your education. If you already have done your UCC-1 financing statement, keep studying so that you don't wind up accidentally opting back in. this. Sure didn't take long for this link to get suspended!
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June 13, 2014, 10:37:22 PM |
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On the main page this thread shows up as: in Re: Marriage as a contra...
I thought it was going to be Marriage as a contraceptive. Guess I'm a little disappointed.
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