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Question: Do you like to block the FBI coins from being sold until there is a fair and public trial?  (Voting closed: June 27, 2014, 12:42:11 AM)
Yes, block the coins! - 41 (22.4%)
No, let the FBI have them! - 128 (69.9%)
Not sure. - 14 (7.7%)
Total Voters: 183

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June 22, 2014, 11:03:29 PM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?


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June 27, 2014, 12:40:05 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!

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June 27, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
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LostDutchman:  welcome back.

WarriorOfTheLight:  still a dipshit for supporting proposals that would destroy the fungibility of bitcoins and therefore kill Bitcoin.

Our family was terrorized by Homeland Security.  Read all about it here:  http://www.jmwagner.com/ and http://www.burtw.com/  Any donations to help us recover from the $300,000 in legal fees and forced donations to the Federal Asset Forfeiture slush fund are greatly appreciated!
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June 27, 2014, 12:44:14 AM
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LostDutchman:  welcome back.

WarriorOfTheLight:  still a dipshit for supporting proposals that would destroy the fungibility of bitcoins and therefore kill Bitcoin.

EXACTLY!

Thanks for your kind post!

I been listening to my miners sing!

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June 27, 2014, 02:19:28 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!
People that seriously have these kinds of views are extremists.
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June 27, 2014, 02:55:44 AM
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I think it's not that bad.  The government might want to accept cryptos after they massively sell off their stash and the price skyrockets within weeks/months.
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June 27, 2014, 03:03:18 AM
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How is the FBI "underground"?

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June 28, 2014, 08:41:04 PM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?
What if you were to simply piss someone off who had enough influence to get a specific address blacklisted?

What if a company that accepted bitcoin were to adopt a policy that others did not like, but was still within the bounds of the law?

This would make it very difficult for commerce to take place with bitcoin.

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June 29, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
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This is an idea for children.
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June 29, 2014, 08:54:21 PM
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This is an idea for children.
Do not put down children like that.  My eight year old daughter would understand why this is stupid idea.

This is an idea for infant cry babies.

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June 30, 2014, 03:15:10 AM
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This is an idea for children.
Do not put down children like that.  My eight year old daughter would understand why this is stupid idea.

This is an idea for infant cry babies.
I don't think an 8 year old could grasp the concept of money being fungible very well. This is especially true if the consequences of this were not explained to her.

I would doubt that someone that young could make the connection that "banning" coins of one person/entity would put everyone's coins at risk. 


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June 30, 2014, 03:55:54 AM
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I really don't like the idea of making any BTC non-fungible. That's a really dangerous precedent. If BTC is really money, then this is not an acceptable course of action, IMO.

This is a very dangerous precedent indeed.

If we were to start by blacklisting the "FBI" coins then why would we not black list coins owned by a theif, or by someone who took advantage of others (but everyone agreed to the terms), or someone that had suspiciously good timing?

Those who suggest that coins should be blacklisted are big government types, probably socialist and are to be avoided at all costs!

Been gone for a while due to health issues but everything is OK now.

Just kind of took a break from the madness of crypto!
People that seriously have these kinds of views are extremists.
I'd like to chime in as a social-anarchist with "extreme views". I don't support big government - I don't support any government. Because I don't support systematic violence, oppression, or exploitation.
I am opposed to nation-states for the same reason I am opposed to capitalism - systematic hierarchy-based violence is ethically indefensible. We are not chimps - we know better.

There is no excuse for this cruel and infantile behavior in 2014. We've had ethics and reason for far too long. It's well past time we socially evolve beyond a world governed by violence and embrace the gifts of reason and compassion.

Regarding my perceived extremism...

"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative extremists."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims."
-Derrick Jensen

"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and tyrant, and I declare him my enemy."
-Pierre Joseph Proudhon

Yours in solidarity and compassion,

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Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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