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June 13, 2014, 06:42:46 AM
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This is good for bitcoin because

Who said it's good? This is awful.

Dont worry Parazyd, I have seen lately a lot of ignorants who dont have a clue about BTC and also dont give a fuck.

blockchain.info/de/double-spends

Bitcoin is facing a serious threat.

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June 13, 2014, 06:56:00 AM
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I'm seeing 3 double-spends out of 500,000 recent transactions, and all 3 are < 1 bitcoin.
Ghash is earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. Why would it put that at risk for a couple of bitcoin in a double-spend?

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June 13, 2014, 06:56:58 AM
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This is good for bitcoin because

Who said it's good? This is awful.

Dont worry Parazyd, I have seen lately a lot of ignorants who dont have a clue about BTC and also dont give a fuck.

blockchain.info/de/double-spends

Bitcoin is facing a serious threat.


Yes, you are one of them.

Any private key holder could create double spend attampts. It has nothing to do with mining

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June 13, 2014, 06:57:25 AM
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I'm seeing 3 double-spends out of 500,000 recent transactions, and all 3 are < 1 bitcoin.
Ghash is earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. Why would it put that at risk for a couple of bitcoin in a double-spend?

Proof of them being able to do it... I dunno.
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June 13, 2014, 06:59:35 AM
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I'm seeing 3 double-spends out of 500,000 recent transactions, and all 3 are < 1 bitcoin.
Ghash is earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. Why would it put that at risk for a couple of bitcoin in a double-spend?

Proof of them being able to do it... I dunno.

Gbozo works in bank and earns millions. He sees some small change on his boss's desk and grabs it. Why? Maybe so he could prove he could do it. Genius!

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June 13, 2014, 07:03:47 AM
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I'm seeing 3 double-spends out of 500,000 recent transactions, and all 3 are < 1 bitcoin.
Ghash is earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. Why would it put that at risk for a couple of bitcoin in a double-spend?

Proof of them being able to do it... I dunno.

Gbozo works in bank and earns millions. He sees some small change on his boss's desk and grabs it. Why? Maybe so he could prove he could do it. Genius!

Whatever, point is they have 50% and they aren't doing anything about it. They should split to 3-4 different pools.
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June 13, 2014, 07:07:03 AM
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They just went from 50% to 49%.
ghash.io currently down to 44%.  We are heading in the right direction fellas! Smiley

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June 13, 2014, 07:07:54 AM
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Whatever, point is they have 50% and they aren't doing anything about it. They should split to 3-4 different pools.

Yes. I agree maybe they should. The thing is that Bitcoin has to work without people being nice. It has to work that way or sooner or later someone will come along and not be nice, and break it. That is the way the world is unfortunately.

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June 13, 2014, 07:14:14 AM
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This is good for bitcoin because

Who said it's good? This is awful.

Dont worry Parazyd, I have seen lately a lot of ignorants who dont have a clue about BTC and also dont give a fuck.

blockchain.info/de/double-spends

Bitcoin is facing a serious threat.


Yes, you are one of them.

Any private key holder could create double spend attampts. It has nothing to do with mining

I know that, I have 3 in conflict transactions Smiley The problem is that I cant make em valid unless I control most of the network power.

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June 13, 2014, 07:14:25 AM
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They just went from 50% to 49%.
ghash.io currently down to 44%.  We are heading in the right direction fellas! Smiley

Still at 49%, where did you see 44?
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June 13, 2014, 07:21:02 AM
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This is good for bitcoin because

Who said it's good? This is awful.

Dont worry Parazyd, I have seen lately a lot of ignorants who dont have a clue about BTC and also dont give a fuck.

blockchain.info/de/double-spends

Bitcoin is facing a serious threat.


Yes, you are one of them.

Any private key holder could create double spend attampts. It has nothing to do with mining

I know that, I have 3 in conflict transactions Smiley The problem is that I cant make em valid unless I control most of the network power.

That's why I say you don't have a clue about BTC. Even if you control 100% of the mining power, you can't make them valid at the same time

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June 13, 2014, 07:21:28 AM
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This gives some comfort: https://twitter.com/jeff_smith01/status/476652314221367297
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June 13, 2014, 07:26:31 AM
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It's all empty talk here. Those who care can't do anything about it, and those who can don't want to, because they are mining more coins.

I do not think double spending is a problem now, but it may become a more serious issue when ghash pass the 60% or 70% mark. Can the devs do something about it, incase it continues to grow?

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June 13, 2014, 07:28:37 AM
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Comfort? This is a joke.
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June 13, 2014, 07:49:15 AM
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Even if there is no problem this time, this will be more and more of a problem in the future.  It is sad to see something that was meant to be "decentralized" become so close to be centralized. 

I wonder if other methods other than PoW can and will be truly decentralized??

To me it is all about incentive.  Miners are being reward for becoming centralized and not processing transactions that are small.  That isn't a very well designed system for the future of money.
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June 13, 2014, 07:51:26 AM
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+1, a sad, evil joke.

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June 13, 2014, 07:51:40 AM
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Can the devs do something about it, incase it continues to grow?

You mean can the community do something about it in case it continues to grow. Software can do pretty much anything. That's not a problem. For example, it's possible to detect and reject blocks from certain sources if enough people run such software. The challenge is getting people to run various types of software.

The community for the most part would never run software which changed the coin limit, for example. However, it might be acceptable to ban parties with proven intent to defraud on the network.
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June 13, 2014, 07:54:33 AM
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Even if there is no problem this time, this will be more and more of a problem in the future.  It is sad to see something that was meant to be "decentralized" become so close to be centralized. 

I wonder if other methods other than PoW can and will be truly decentralized??

To me it is all about incentive.  Miners are being reward for becoming centralized and not processing transactions that are small.  That isn't a very well designed system for the future of money.

Can easily have this work if the other pools competed better with Ghash. Think about it this way, if we had a SECOND Ghash.io, that would be a good thing. But instead, we have Slush, Eligius, etc. (not that they're baaadddd, just that they could be better).

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June 13, 2014, 08:14:07 AM
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How can this be possible!  Shocked

50% now!
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June 13, 2014, 08:34:36 AM
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Moar! https://blockchain.info/en/double-spends

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