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June 14, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
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Anyone here in bitcointalk an IT professional? How can this still be possible in 2014?
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June 14, 2014, 08:14:37 PM
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It's easy.  Your boss says "Didn't those emails die with some hard drive"?

You say "Yes sir they did".

Done.

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June 14, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
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It's easy.  Your boss says "Didn't those emails die with some hard drive"?

You say "Yes sir they did".

Done.

It that Lerner situation... Who's her boss again?



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June 14, 2014, 09:56:54 PM
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Dang! The IRS says Lois Lerner’s emails done got wiped out in one of them there computer crashes

Aw, shoot! The IRS was trying so hard to come up with documents requested by the House Ways and Means Committee, as part of its investigation into the abuse of power against conservative groups during the 2012 election. But wouldn’t you know it? One of those newfangled computer thingamabobs had itself a crash, and all of Tax Exempt Organizations Division director Lois Lerner’s emails done got erased!

Everything she sent to outside email addresses between January 2009 and April 2011 is lost into the ether. Everything she sent to the White House, the Justice Department, her old chums at the Federal Elections Commission, high-ranking Democrat politicians – gone! All they’ve got left is email correspondence between Lerner and other IRS employees.

Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-MI), who asked for all these emails a year ago, is fit to be tied...
more...http://www.humanevents.com/2014/06/13/dang-the-irs-says-lois-lerners-emails-done-got-wiped-out-in-one-of-them-there-computer-crashes/
Where's the NSA at? Here's their chance to end some corruption.
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June 14, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
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Well, I have an associate's degree in IT and I can tell you this is total BS. They should have had backups and, even if they didn't, any competent IT professional should have been able to extract the data from the defunct hard drives involved.
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June 14, 2014, 10:15:52 PM
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Well, I have an associate's degree in IT and I can tell you this is total BS. They should have had backups and, even if they didn't, any competent IT professional should have been able to extract the data from the defunct hard drives involved.

I had 3 crashed harddrives in the last 10 years. (of about 100 harddisks in total)
And I always managed to save atleast 90% of the data. There were some bad sectors, yes ... but a harddisk that can't be rescued anymore is a harddisk that was deliberately destroyed.
Also, all the harddisks showed signs before they started crashing completely, so I was able to react.

Also: my 3 crashed harddisk were all like 5-10 years ago. In the last 5 years (from 2009 to 2014) not a single one of my harddisk has malfunctioned.
I believe the manufacturers have now created such stable harddisks, they don't compare to the harddisks 10 years ago. So it's very curious that a government agency has malfunctioning harddisk, lol ...  Grin


ALSO: Has the government never heard of multi harddisk RAID systems that keep on working even if some of the harddisks are crashing?


But hey, what do you expect from a extortion racket machine like the IRS.

Taxation is theft!

So they steal all the money from us, and can't even buy reliable computer equipment with it.
Fuck you, you bureaucratic mafia.

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June 14, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
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Anyone here in bitcointalk an IT professional? How can this still be possible in 2014?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2657545/IRS-claims-LOST-two-years-worth-email-embattled-former-official-Lois-Lerner-tea-party-targeting-scandal-heats-again.html



Lost emails? well a server crash without any backups. Be it, that the receiver also does not have the emails and that the NSA does not have a copy. Emails are usually stored on the sending/receiver end (in sent mail or otherwise) and so its likely that the majority of it is not lost.

tl;dr; they do not have IT professionals over there or scam


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June 15, 2014, 01:44:39 AM
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Reporter Sharyl Attkisson Raises Good Questions IRS Should Answer On “Lost” Lerner Emails




https://twitter.com/JohnEkdahl/status/477903945382125568/photo/1





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June 15, 2014, 04:24:39 PM
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Well, I have an associate's degree in IT and I can tell you this is total BS. They should have had backups and, even if they didn't, any competent IT professional should have been able to extract the data from the defunct hard drives involved.

You assume people holding the job is a competent personal.

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June 15, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
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Reporter Sharyl Attkisson Raises Good Questions IRS Should Answer On “Lost” Lerner Emails




https://twitter.com/JohnEkdahl/status/477903945382125568/photo/1








does anyone believe the IRS will provide this information?

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June 15, 2014, 06:59:20 PM
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Well, I have an associate's degree in IT and I can tell you this is total BS. They should have had backups and, even if they didn't, any competent IT professional should have been able to extract the data from the defunct hard drives involved.

You assume people holding the job is a competent personal.

The servers hold the data, and it's backed up daily.  Law requires archiving this stuff.

All you are looking at is a legal defense, a refusal to hand the data over.

Unfortunately, actions have consequences.  US Tax collection is unusual in that it's based on voluntary compliance, unlike many countries such as Italy and Greece, where the national sport is tax evasion.

These sort of actions by the IRS for short term political gain will have longer term negative consequences, if the agency's standing and reputation for unbiased fair enforcement is damaged.  I believe this should be stated pretty much in past tense at this point.

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June 15, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
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maybe they're just doing this to make people think that their snooping isn't as dangerous as everyone thinks.
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June 15, 2014, 09:03:49 PM
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No difference than the 'Erased Tapes' from the Watergate scandal of the 70's. Actually, this may be worse. Lack of media outrage would imply their condoning the distraction of evidence by this Administration.

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June 16, 2014, 12:54:31 AM
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No difference than the 'Erased Tapes' from the Watergate scandal of the 70's. Actually, this may be worse. Lack of media outrage would imply their condoning the distraction of evidence by this Administration.


Far worse than the erased tapes issue.

Remember, Nixon really only had that ONE scandal.

Reagan really only had Iran/Contra.

Here we've got Bengazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, Iraq, Syria, basically the list is about as long as the activities that the klutze Obama has had his hands in. 

And this is an agency doing the stonewalling and lying, at the highest levels.  That is actually much more serious than if say, the POTUS lied about something.  It means the agency has been corrupted.  That has implications, particularly since the issue at stake is whether the agency was improperly influenced to attack conservatives.  So they cover up corruption with lying....

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June 16, 2014, 05:17:31 AM
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No difference than the 'Erased Tapes' from the Watergate scandal of the 70's. Actually, this may be worse. Lack of media outrage would imply their condoning the distraction of evidence by this Administration.


Far worse than the erased tapes issue.

Remember, Nixon really only had that ONE scandal.

Reagan really only had Iran/Contra.

Here we've got Bengazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, Iraq, Syria, basically the list is about as long as the activities that the klutze Obama has had his hands in. 

And this is an agency doing the stonewalling and lying, at the highest levels.  That is actually much more serious than if say, the POTUS lied about something.  It means the agency has been corrupted.  That has implications, particularly since the issue at stake is whether the agency was improperly influenced to attack conservatives.  So they cover up corruption with lying....



...The 5 for a deserter... The V.A. death scandal... The list goes on and on...

 
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June 17, 2014, 04:45:16 PM
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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/380576/irs-has-lost-more-e-mails-eliana-johnson

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June 19, 2014, 04:00:13 AM
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Sources: Lois Lerner’s emails likely gone forever

Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.
“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.

Two additional sources told POLITICO the same late Wednesday, citing IRS officials.

It may just be standard government procedure, but the revelation is significant because some lawmakers and observers thought there was a way that tech experts could revive Lerner’s emails after they were washed away in a computer crash in the summer of 2011. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), for example, subpoenaed her damaged hard drive earlier this week, when he asked for “all hard drives, external drives, thumb drives and computers” and “all electronic communication devices the IRS issued to Lois G. Lerner.”
“IT experts have weighed in and said yes — we can get those” emails, said Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) earlier Wednesday.
The latest news suggests such professionals may never get the chance to try again — and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011. But this is only likely to further enrage Republicans, who are fuming over the matter and suspect Washington officials drove the selective scrutiny.

The IRS told congressional investigators on Friday that the emails of Lerner, the former head of the tax exempt division that was found to have singled out conservative groups for additional scrutiny, were lost from 2009 to 2011 in a computer hard drive crash in early summer 2011. IRS chief John Koskinen will face angry Republicans at a hearing on Friday.
The time frame is significant because the tea party targeting began in spring of 2010, and Republicans think if there was a smoking gun connecting the Obama administration to the IRS treatment of conservative groups, it could be found during that period.
“We believe the standard IRS protocol was followed in 2011 for disposing of the broken hard drive. A bad hard drive, like other broken Information Technology equipment, is sent to a recycler as part of our regular process,” an IRS spokesman said in response to a query from POLITICO.

On Wednesday, the White House retorted that for the time frame in which Lerner’s emails are missing, there are no direct communications between 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and the now-retired Lerner.
Earlier this week, Ways and Means Republicans said as many as six IRS employees involved in the scandal also lost email in computer crashes, including the former chief of staff for the acting IRS commissioner.
That’s because before May 2013, the IRS backed up emails only for six months on a tape, then recycled the tapes, so they essentially threw out the data. Many agencies do the same, transparency experts say.

The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, which wrote the May 2013 report that uncovered the practice of IRS workers singling out some applicants for tax breaks with the words “tea party” for added scrutiny, is currently in possession of Lerner’s laptop and her new hard drive, according to an IRS letter.
The IRS has been able to retrieve about 24,000 of Lerner’s emails sent to other IRS employees by recovering them from other agents who received, sent or were copied on the emails.
However, Koskinen has acknowledged that the IRS wouldn’t be able to find emails Lerner sent outside the agency.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/irs-lois-lerner-emails-108044.html#ixzz353PpAz4u


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June 20, 2014, 05:04:30 PM
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This obvious lie about losing the emails is funny and all, but it's pretty obvious that a group of government officials used their power to punish their political opponents. That's fucked up. And it's fucked up that Obama and his supporters are helping cover it up. (Hell, Obama might've asked the IRS to do it.)

Fascist bastards.

I wonder what the Founding Fathers would've done in a situation like this? Actually, we all know, and we all know we can't say it out loud.

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