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March 07, 2012, 07:08:04 PM
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Ultimately it does not matter how we got to where we are. We are here.

Andrew needs to come up with a strategy to pay back his debts. At least this thread is started and he is cooperating. There is no reason to kick a man while he is down and I hope this thread is the helping hand Shakaru needs to stop lying and come up with a strategy that ultimately turns into FULL repayment of his debts.
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March 07, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
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Big deal, imo. And yes, something like this should be aired in public on the spot. Why not?

This happened very early when there had still not been any problems and I bought his excuse about how it had happened.

Gigavps: This is not about kicking someone who is down. This is about posting the facts and preventing shakaru from stealing more money from someone else. Had this been posted back in the fall when it should have been, a lot of people would not have lost their money. I guess everyone kept quiet because they were scared they would get nothing if they posted about it or would be called a liar. (Shakaru was paying a few bitcoins now and then if you really nagged him about it at that time).

You might believe the story shakaru is telling, but I really do not see how someone can be that unlucky to be scammed that many times for those amounts. Still it would not explain where the 100-150 5830 cards went... If he somehow was scammed this badly (which I really doubt), he is guilty of being a big fool who should never be in charge of running anything. I know there is a lot of scamming going on here, but I have made about 10 deals myself here and never had a problem until I bought this mining contract.

Shakaru also has very low credibility after never telling the truth about anything. Just go look in the other Shades Minoco thread. In early January he says he is just waiting for SoCal Edison to come fix his power and the rigs would be turned back on. He clearly did not have any rigs.

I repeat what I said earlier, if you steal $20 000, you are not a good guy who can be trusted if you pay back $2000 of them, in fact you should not be trusted even if you pay everything back. In the real world you go to jail for doing the stuff shakaru has done here.

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March 08, 2012, 01:31:49 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

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March 08, 2012, 01:54:30 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

It understandable and I see the concern. Still not going to stop me from repaying everyone. Just might be a little harder if I get the tag, but because all funds go directly to Imsaguy, it wont be that hard. Plus thoese that personally know me understand what is going on. 

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March 08, 2012, 02:18:28 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

It understandable and I see the concern. Still not going to stop me from repaying everyone. Just might be a little harder if I get the tag, but because all funds go directly to Imsaguy, it wont be that hard. Plus thoese that personally know me understand what is going on. 

Take on TerryTibbs example and wear the Scammer tag proudly if you have to, and fix everything ASAP. Including fixing the Astana deal also, if not fixed yet. You'll probably get out of this on the top if you do what I just told you. Once again, look at Terry Wink

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March 08, 2012, 02:21:19 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

It understandable and I see the concern. Still not going to stop me from repaying everyone. Just might be a little harder if I get the tag, but because all funds go directly to Imsaguy, it wont be that hard. Plus thoese that personally know me understand what is going on. 

Take on TerryTibbs example and wear the Scammer tag proudly if you have to, and fix everything ASAP. Including fixing the Astana deal also, if not fixed yet. You'll probably get out of this on the top if you do what I just told you. Once again, look at Terry Wink

Astana has been fixed from the 15th of Feb. I just sent Maged the screen shots of that. Astana sent me an email after the amount of time for paypal to do their work had passed and he had not yet revived his refund. He has had it for about a month now.

And thats the way Im going to deal with this. I told the same thing to PAyb.tc via skype a little bit ago after maged posted that reply. He said the same thing you did.

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March 08, 2012, 02:46:32 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

I don't usually share my two cents on these mob mentality posts, but the posts I've seen seem to be off base.  I've done many deals with shakaru since last summer.  He lives in the LA area like me, so I have been to his place many times and seen the rigs that he has.  I've never had a bad deal with him.  Maybe I’ve been lucky, but I don’t think that’s the case. I truly do not believe he has the intention of scamming anyone.  That is not the Andrew I know.  It seems much more plausible that this situation is the outcome of a series of unfortunate events.

While I won't apologize for any mistakes that shakaru has made, as a small community I think we need to think hard about how we respond to situations like this.  Things do go wrong from time to time.  We make deals, buy contracts, and make commitments with the hope that everything will go right.  Sometimes they don't and the people involved should do what they can to make things right.  It's normal to be angry that things didn't work out, but we shouldn't stoop to the level of burning someone at the stake for being a "scammer" to enact some kind of revenge to feel better.

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March 08, 2012, 05:38:37 AM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

Shakaru can't be a scammer because he has made arrangements to repay his victims, and it looks to me like he is honest about repayment. This is similar to terrytibbs' case: he had his scammer tag removed once he made arrangements to repay and had paid a few people. Maybe the issue can be revisited if shakaru doesn't start making regular payments in a month or two.

Because shakaru's donator title might give him more trust than he should have at this point, I am removing his donator status for now. He will then have no advantage or disadvantage in acquiring trust.

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March 08, 2012, 05:45:13 AM
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I personally believe Shakaru, he's like me in a lot of ways, a little too stupid for his own good, and once shit started hitting the fan, he started rushing into deals to try to fix the previous mess ups, causing more problems and eventually they stacked up to an enormous shitstorm
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March 08, 2012, 05:51:21 AM
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He lives in the LA area like me, so I have been to his place many times and seen the rigs that he has.

Just for clarification, he has functional rigs?
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March 08, 2012, 06:03:27 AM
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Had. Or at least has nonfunctional rigs. That would be key. Like I said. Between hoping locations, placing hardware in hands of others, and the other crap. The cupboard is pretty bare.

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March 08, 2012, 08:51:29 AM
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I am amazed at how naive some of you seem to be. It also puzzles me that you can not be labeled a scammer just because you are sticking around and allegedly trying to repay people. Just steal a lot of money and say: "Well, I will repay you all, I really will I promise!" and everything is fine.

Anyways, if any of you who seem to have unlimited faith in shakaru want to put your money where your mouth is, I am offering to sell my debt for 35BTC. I will give imsaguy your bitcoin address and all repayments will go directly to you. I don't expect anyone to take me up on this, because it is a lot harder to show your trust when it is your own money at stake and not just empty words.

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March 08, 2012, 09:22:40 AM
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Personally I believe in Shakaru and as you said since you don't believe people will put their money at stake, I already have. I have given him money because I believe that he is telling the truth so that proves that people really do have faith in shakaru.
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March 08, 2012, 12:35:30 PM
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I am offering to sell my debt for 35BTC. I will give imsaguy your bitcoin address and all repayments will go directly to you.

i will happily buy your debt for 1.2 BTC.

anyone else want to bid higher?

perhaps you should start an auction thread for it, bitsinmyhead, if you are serious about on-selling the debt.
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March 08, 2012, 12:50:21 PM
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I am offering to sell my debt for 35BTC. I will give imsaguy your bitcoin address and all repayments will go directly to you.

i will happily buy your debt for 1.2 BTC.

anyone else want to bid higher?

perhaps you should start an auction thread for it, bitsinmyhead, if you are serious about on-selling the debt.


I'll up the bid to 5 BTC.
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March 08, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
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I'll go 10 BTC... Smiley

...and I agree with much of what bitsinmyhead has to say and fully understand his frustration. In the words of one of my past mentors "It's blatantly obvious to the most casual observer".

I support him in his endeavor to repay me... just makes sense and really, what other option is there?





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March 08, 2012, 03:28:30 PM
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Scammer paperwork has been filled out and submitted. This is in theymos' hands now. Unfortunately, the evidence I submitted is quite convincing. Sorry shakaru.

Shakaru can't be a scammer because he has made arrangements to repay his victims, and it looks to me like he is honest about repayment. This is similar to terrytibbs' case: he had his scammer tag removed once he made arrangements to repay and had paid a few people. Maybe the issue can be revisited if shakaru doesn't start making regular payments in a month or two.

Because shakaru's donator title might give him more trust than he should have at this point, I am removing his donator status for now. He will then have no advantage or disadvantage in acquiring trust.

Arrangements HAVEN'T been made.  All that has happened so far is a bunch of his creditors gathered together to establish what they think is owed and have me collecting to disperse fairly.  I've yet to see a comprehensive plan as to how 4000+btc are going to be made and paid back, the time frame for doing so, etc.  Shakaru sold a best buy gift card for $25 with the btc going to the collection address, but now the buyer is claiming he never got the card.  To date I've received 34.01 btc and I'm not looking forward to having to refund part of it already.

If you don't want to apply a 'scammer' tag, then perhaps a new class of tag needs to be made to make it readily identifiable that shakaru is in collections.

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March 08, 2012, 03:40:28 PM
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Shakaru can't be a scammer because he has made arrangements to repay his victims, and it looks to me like he is honest about repayment. This is similar to terrytibbs' case: he had his scammer tag removed once he made arrangements to repay and had paid a few people. Maybe the issue can be revisited if shakaru doesn't start making regular payments in a month or two.

Because shakaru's donator title might give him more trust than he should have at this point, I am removing his donator status for now. He will then have no advantage or disadvantage in acquiring trust.
Force a link to this thread into his signature with a descriptive title. It's not quite as drastic as the tag, but it'll get the point across.
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March 08, 2012, 04:09:23 PM
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Card info pm'ed Enjoy!

Still waiting on the card to arrive in the mail. Will post here upon receipt.

My bad! Still sitting in my wallet. Send me you address again. I have to mail stuff today anyways.

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March 08, 2012, 04:11:51 PM
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Card info pm'ed Enjoy!

Still waiting on the card to arrive in the mail. Will post here upon receipt.

My bad! Still sitting in my wallet. Send me you address again. I have to mail stuff today anyways.

Yeah my bad. Somehow I got it in my head Vitality only wanted the code. im going to mail it out to him today and get delivery conf if its not to expensive.

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