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June 24, 2014, 09:39:17 PM
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One involves a Philadelphia veteran who went in for a tooth extraction. Doctors went ahead with the procedure despite his dangerously low blood pressure. On his way home from the operation, he had a stroke and was left paralyzed.

Another veteran had annual chest X-rays, but doctors never spotted a growing lesion in his lung. It ultimately killed him.

A veteran in South Carolina had to wait nine months for a colonoscopy. By the time he underwent the procedure, cancer was diagnosed at stage three. In that case, the VA admitted that had he been treated earlier, his case might not have been as severe, Mr. Coburn said.

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June 24, 2014, 10:08:39 PM
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I knew. I have a father and a brother that are both veterans. My father has Parkinsons disease that has been connected to agent orange in Vietnam and my brother was wounded in Fallujah. Both of them were "discouraged" from seeking certain treatments that would have helped. Their healthcare was sacrificed for bonuses and politics.   

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June 24, 2014, 11:00:12 PM
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No wonder Americans don't want public healthcare if they are that bad in it...

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June 24, 2014, 11:16:28 PM
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Meanwhile, illegals are being bused and flown all over the country from Arizona and given all the best health care while we hang the veterans out to dry. That's the loony toon Obama executive branch for ya. The Bush types use them up and the left sends them out to pasture. That's why we need Rand Paul in the big house.
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June 25, 2014, 01:50:38 AM
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No wonder Americans don't want public healthcare if they are that bad in it...
Haha!  Yes you are right.  A lot of people not living in the US do not really comprehend how really incompetent we can be at a lot of stuff.

Well lately it's been getting more obvious...
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June 25, 2014, 02:06:25 AM
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Both parties and the administration made the decision to look the other way and do nothing, they are just as guilty as the VA. The really frightening thought is that ACA and the coming single payer plan will be just like the VA if left in the hands of the elected oligarchy.
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June 25, 2014, 03:03:07 AM
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Meanwhile, illegals are being bused and flown all over the country from Arizona and given all the best health care while we hang the veterans out to dry. That's the loony toon Obama executive branch for ya. The Bush types use them up and the left sends them out to pasture. That's why we need Rand Paul in the big house.

He is the one I am watching. His father made sense about a lot of things but never had the establishment. If Rand can split the establishment he might get the nomination from the youth vote and the libertarians.   

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June 25, 2014, 05:27:51 AM
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Vets: VA’s Care of Veterans Impeded by Filming of TV Series, Conference



Conference included party planning tips, ‘What Color is Your Personality?’ session

The filming of a TV series that took over the entire second floor of a Los Angeles VA center and conferences attended by VA health care providers—which included topics on how to plan a party—contributed to the delay of care for veterans, according to interviews with VA staffers and veterans.

Dr. Roy Marokus, who currently serves in private practice, told the Free Beacon that veterans were denied care because of a mandatory conference he attended last March.

Marokus said veterans’ appointments were cancelled so VA medical providers could attend the two-day conference. Medical providers at the VA Medical Center in Oklahoma City, where Marokus briefly worked, and providers at all other VA medical centers in the Veterans Integrated Services Network, attended the conference.

A review of the paperwork handed out during the conference showed topics included advice on how to plan a party and asked the medical staff to explore, “What Color is Your Personality?”

“Veterans waiting for appointments got pushed back for two days,” Marokus said. “In human costs, you have all these veterans. Why was that conference needed? … Many veterans had their treatments delayed for two days while their healthcare providers determined ‘what color’ their personalities were.”

The conference “made the serious topic of veterans’ care into a farce, covering topics without merit at taxpayers’ and veterans’ expense,” said Marokus, a veteran who served in Iraq. He was employed by the VA for only 16 days before initially being “discharged”; his status was later changed to “resigned.” He was accused of making a racial slur, but said another doctor actually made the slur.

The Oklahoma City VA Medical Center sent an email statement indicating the Patient Aligned Care Teams model of care was implemented at primary care clinics in March 2013.

“Every Primary Care provider along with the nurses and program support assistants attended a meeting in which they learned about the PACT model, how it differed from the current healthcare delivery model at that time and how we were planning to transition,” the statement read.

“The same meeting was offered on several occasions so that our Primary Care clinics were never closed. The meetings were also scheduled in advance so that clinics could be blocked for continuing education time and patients needing to be seen urgently could be seen by another physician or through our urgent care clinic or emergency room,” the OKC VA Center said.

Another veteran took issue with the filming of the TV show Grey’s Anatomy, which takes place at the Sepulveda VA Ambulatory Care Center. The filming encompasses the entire second floor of the facility.

Veterans who need care are limited to the first floor of the facility.

Gary B., who asked for his last name to be withheld due to a pending 1151 claim with the VA, said aside from the limited care for veterans, the show’s trailers are an inconvenience for veterans.

“They take up the whole parking lot,” he said. He questioned why the show couldn’t be shot during the weekend, and why the VA couldn’t hire more doctors to administer care on the second floor.

A recent audit showed the VA Center in Sepulveda is now one of the 81 sites that “requires further review.” Scheduling issues and access were cited in the audit.

The West Los Angeles Medical Center did not respond to a request for comment.

Gary B. also said a delay in care at the Phoenix VA contributed to his cancer spreading. He was initially seen for a pin-sized spot on his lip. After ordering a biopsy, the center cancelled four to six subsequent appointments.

The spot on his lip grew to be the size of a “firecracker,” the veteran said. When he was finally seen again, the cancer spread to his lymph nodes. He has already had three surgeries and 51 percent of his lip removed.

“They said they thought it was cancer, but they kept delaying my treatment,” Gary said.

“No one is at the VA because that is their choice. They are there because it’s the only thing they can afford. The VA isn’t a choice, it’s a necessity,” Gary said. He cited the three “Ds” of the VA many veterans speak of—“deny, delay, deceased.”

http://freebeacon.com/issues/vets-vas-care-of-veterans-impeded-by-filming-of-tv-series-conference/



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June 27, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
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VA hospitals fund solar panels while veterans wait for doctors

Veterans Administration hospitals have spent at least $420 million on solar panels and windmills while vets wait months — or even lay dying — to see a doctor.

In total, VA hospitals reported 23 deaths due to 76 instances of delayed care, an April 2014 VA fact sheet said. Then on June 5, Acting Veteran Affairs Secretary Sloan Gibson revealed that at least 18 Phoenix patients died while waiting for treatment on a secret list kept off the books. It is not clear if that number is in addition to the 23 deaths reported earlier. During the past month, the scandal has resulted in the resignations of both the VA secretary and the leaders of its health care component.

According to a June 3 audit, 100,000 veterans had lengthy wait times for appointments. Of the nation’s 216 VA hospitals, 37 percent will require further investigation.

http://watchdog.org/156746/va-hospitals/?utm_source=hoot&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=ss

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June 28, 2014, 02:01:54 AM
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This is one case in which it wouldn't have mattered whether we dismissed the VA administrator or not. The entire system needs an overhaul, including firing the people who were involved in this scandal.
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June 28, 2014, 05:17:36 AM
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This is one case in which it wouldn't have mattered whether we dismissed the VA administrator or not. The entire system needs an overhaul, including firing the people who were involved in this scandal.

Hard to fire government employee.

And while they are incompetent, they still provide benefit by doing meaningful work.

There are a lot of government employees that don't do meaningful work, hence this group of people will never get into any kind of scandal. Why keeping them around?
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June 28, 2014, 06:26:38 AM
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Hmm, I am always skeptical when I hear the "Hey, it's not just the fault of the democrats, both parties stink!" argument. This is a fallacy used often by dems and their supporters to try and 'spread blame' and limit the damage to 'their side' when they get caught doing something bad
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June 28, 2014, 02:44:46 PM
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This is one case in which it wouldn't have mattered whether we dismissed the VA administrator or not. The entire system needs an overhaul, including firing the people who were involved in this scandal.

Hard to fire government employee.

And while they are incompetent, they still provide benefit by doing meaningful work.

There are a lot of government employees that don't do meaningful work, hence this group of people will never get into any kind of scandal. Why keeping them around?


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June 28, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
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This is one case in which it wouldn't have mattered whether we dismissed the VA administrator or not. The entire system needs an overhaul, including firing the people who were involved in this scandal.

Hard to fire government employee.

And while they are incompetent, they still provide benefit by doing meaningful work.

There are a lot of government employees that don't do meaningful work, hence this group of people will never get into any kind of scandal. Why keeping them around?


It will be hard to fire too many individuals since this seems to be an over arching problem with the whole system, and not just a few bad employees.
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June 29, 2014, 01:55:55 AM
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This is one case in which it wouldn't have mattered whether we dismissed the VA administrator or not. The entire system needs an overhaul, including firing the people who were involved in this scandal.

Hard to fire government employee.

And while they are incompetent, they still provide benefit by doing meaningful work.

There are a lot of government employees that don't do meaningful work, hence this group of people will never get into any kind of scandal. Why keeping them around?


It will be hard to fire too many individuals since this seems to be an over arching problem with the whole system, and not just a few bad employees.

Cultural issue in bureaucrat is hard to change.

Responsible employees will most likely leave the workplace rather than going against their own co-workers.
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