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May 13, 2013, 06:30:27 AM
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Gold also come into existence without debt, and these are honest money, but I just don't know under what circumstance the government abandoned the gold standard and FED started to print money for themselves

Gold comes into existence not as debt, but notes issued on gold does, because they fractional reserve lent gold notes. That's where the whole concept came from. It's the notes people use as money, because safekeeping and carrying around actual gold is a pain in the ass for regular people. This made it easy for the bankers to issue notes on gold that didn't exist in their vaults.

We bailed out the banks is how we got off the gold standard.

The banks issued at low interest too many notes on gold (as loans) in the 20's. People used this cheap money to buy stocks with. This created a giant bubble, much like the recent real estate bubble. Cheap money for no reason generally causes artificial asset bubbles. Anyway, the stock market crashed and debts couldn't be paid back, leaving all the notes out in the wild where they could put the gold reserves at risk, so FDR confiscated gold, and then repegged the price of gold at a higher dollar rate. This is a bank bailout. Google for "FDR gold confiscation" or something along those lines.

The next step was Bretton Woods 1944, which made the reserve currency of the world not gold anymore, but dollars, which was backed by gold still, but this didn't really matter since countries were to settle their trading deficits with dollars from here on out.

Lastly, I guess because probably too many notes were floating around again for the vietnam war maybe like you said, and Ft Knox was probably empty by then anyway, Nixon in 1971 pretty much just said "fuggit, no more gold for your dollars anymore. We're done". This is a bank bailout.

What we are left with as "reserves" instead of gold is "monetized government debt". There is no way this is sane. This is a shit reserve. Gold was relatively sane until the first bailout, but it still sucked because of the unpreventable fractional reserve lending ability it affords.

They kept the fractional reserve part going though, using government "promise to pay" as reserves for commercial bank money creation in the form of loans to you and me. And it's pretty much the same private banking corporations now creating our base money supply as back when we were on the gold standard, and since even before the FED was created in 1913. It's not the government in case anybody still thinks the government creates our money supply. The FED is accountable to these banking corporations, not to the government. The FED is these private banking corporations, essentially.
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May 13, 2013, 01:02:15 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Let me guess, you have around 55-57 years and you're starting to "wake up"  Roll Eyes
Great comment, "starting to wake up" Smiley
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May 13, 2013, 10:38:39 PM
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also cool vid:

Debt Collapse - Mike Maloney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY

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May 13, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
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Zeitgeist 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y
Zeitgeist 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

Two documentaries along the same lines as Money as Debt. This is the kind of information everyone should know.
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May 14, 2013, 02:24:47 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qIhDdST27g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF0-Pm1Q-nM

bill still and g edward griffin
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May 14, 2013, 06:10:55 AM
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Zeitgeist 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHeg77LF4Y
Zeitgeist 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w

Two documentaries along the same lines as Money as Debt. This is the kind of information everyone should know.

Oh good lord... Not TVP...
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May 14, 2013, 06:55:04 AM
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TVP?
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May 14, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
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yeah, whats tvp?
If i remember correctly zeitgeist 1 was pretty good, but zeitgeist 2 had some kind of weird futuristic global robot economy idea which kind of weirded me out.
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May 15, 2013, 07:42:22 AM
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The Venus Project.

aka Logan's RunSmiley

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May 15, 2013, 06:43:59 PM
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Thanks for sharing. Let me guess, you have around 55-57 years and you're starting to "wake up"  Roll Eyes
Nice video and comment according Smiley
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May 15, 2013, 08:34:52 PM
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yeah, whats tvp?
If i remember correctly zeitgeist 1 was pretty good, but zeitgeist 2 had some kind of weird futuristic global robot economy idea which kind of weirded me out.

Yeah and 3 completely side tracks but very informative movies all the same.
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May 19, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
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Thanks for sharing. Let me guess, you have around 55-57 years and you're starting to "wake up"  Roll Eyes

funny Smiley   these are the exact videos that gave me my "wake up call" a few years ago. 
While talking to people about it the older people are the hardest to wake up- they have been living in
this system  for 50+  years and can't imagine anything else or that the governing bodies can be wrong.



"We are just fools. We insanely believe that we can replace one politician with another and something will really change. The ONLY possible way to achieve change is to change the very system of how government functions. Until we are prepared to do that, suck it up for your future belongs to the madness and corruption of politicians."
Martin Armstrong
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December 27, 2013, 01:29:15 AM
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This video is a good presentation, but its description of money creation is incorrect: Commercial banks do not have any right to create money, they can only sell assets to central bank in exchange for money, they can not loan out money more than they already have

The money creation only happened at central Bank, and there is no FRB at central bank

not only banks, but also credit card companies do it.

Credit definition: the ability of a customer to obtain goods or services before payment, based on the trust that payment will be made in the future.

Using a credit card you 'pay' with money you don't have, and the credit card company pays the shop with money they don't have and then demand it 'back' from you when you eventually have it. (note how they demand money from you even though they never had money to start with)
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December 27, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
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this documentary bring me to bitcoin

http://youtu.be/XcGh1Dex4Yo
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December 27, 2013, 09:34:47 PM
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Been watching this, interesting video's  Smiley
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December 28, 2013, 02:58:15 PM
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we watched this in my sociology class the other day! Weird to see it on here too!

Nice to see that you're being educated about how broken and messed up the system is that you're inheritting.
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July 15, 2014, 09:18:42 PM
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This is a nice article that I found in another thread:
https://bitscan.com/articles/what-is-bitcoin-backed-by

Cheers.

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July 15, 2014, 10:10:46 PM
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This is a nice article that I found in another thread:
https://bitscan.com/articles/what-is-bitcoin-backed-by

The article concludes that "What gives bitcoin its value is that it is accepted as having value."

The word value refers to two things in the context of the statement

1. Bitcoin's current 'price tag', or market valuation.
2. Bitcoin's 'utility', or value proposition to users.

If we write "What gives bitcoin its price tag is that it is accepted as offering utility." then it makes more sense.

We can then conclude that bitcoin is not backed by bitcoiners who simply believe it has value and therefore it does, rather it is backed by an acknowledgement from users that it offers utility.

The valuation of bitcoin is not it's 'value', it is a price tag that reflects it's perceived value.

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July 16, 2014, 03:49:19 PM
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The Secret of Oz is a good one and Bill Still is on Bitcoin and Quark.

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