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Project BitmarkProject Bitmark is an initiative to create an every day use alternative currency. No premine, no IPO, nothing unfair, no scam, no clone, no old code bases, no untested code, no token features, just what you need. - Bitmark - a stable and balanced cryptographic currency. Its primary objectives are to be safe, secure, fast, actively developed, and easy to integrate for services and adopters. (read more...)
- Marking - our massive adoption program which fuses reputation+currency, the primary focus of Project Bitmark. Marking enables people to apply crypto currency simply to every aspect of their lives. (read more...)
Bitmark v0.9.4 has been released, please update your clients to keep our network secure. LinksWallet for all platforms, and actively developed source. Summary of Project BitmarkFull Specification of MarkingWiki and Extensive InformationBranding and LogosBitmark Block Explorer alternative blocktree.ioProject Bitmark uses VPS and hosting from CryptoCloudHosting - a physical server company accepting crypto payments, including BTM. Contact and CommunityProject Management on Trello : #bitmark on IRC : @ProjectBitmark on Twitter : @RobotMarkus our automated agent : /r/bitmark on RedditPoolsBitmark is balanced so you receive a fair reward wherever you mine. Active Pools: poolwarz : suprnova : minep.it : xhash.net : hash-to-coins : p2poolDetailed info for Solo Miners : Mining CalculatorExchangesCryptoShop (PayPal -> BTM) : Poloniex : BittrexStatsCoinMarketCap : World Coin Index : Coin Finance : Cryptonator : Cryptrader : Crypto Coin Charts : Network API : Network Health Charts : Steady Price API for services which use BTM pricingCoin SpecsAlgorithm: Scrypt Block Reward: 20 BTM ( visual) Block Time: 120 SecondsBlock Maturity: 720 Blocks (~1 day) to discourage multipools Block Halving: Reward halves every 3 years, with intermediate decrease every 18 months (20 coins initially, 15 after 1.5 years, 10 after 3 years, etc...) Difficulty Retargeting: 720 Blocks (~1 day) Total Coin Supply: ~27.58 million (27,579,894.73108000 exactly)Timeline and HistoryCheckpoints last updated at block 46519 1. Project Named: Bitmark detail and rationale2. Notes on the Bitmark, Block Reward, Monetary Supply, and (Network+Coin) Distribution3. Requests for Community Discussion on Third Party Innovations4. Development Fund / Taxation in Detail5. Development Started & Initial Funding Request6. Microtransactions and Microtrust (Migrating to Sidechain)7. Allocation of Variables8. Scratchpad of thoughts9. First test build released10. temporary mainnet added, unit tests passing, unconditional support for several BIPs11. v2 block chain, testnet available, checkpoints, miner testing12. clone-able reference implementation is underway, stratum-mining support, branding?13. bitmark core user interface (qt) technically complete, reference implementation technically complete14. new logo and branding added to bitmark core15. Project Bitmark Organisation16. Pfennig/Bitmark Pre-Release17. Pfennig/Bitmark Pre-Release tested on linux and windows, pending osx build and testing18. OS-X build requires further testing19. Pre-Release successfully tested on all platforms20. Discarded the taxation proposal21. IPM suggestion22. Dedicated server budget acquired, we can launch23. All resources purchased, foundation, funding, status24. Release time poll25. Release scheduled for 2014-07-13 at 18:00 UTC26. Release ready with some hours to spare.27. RELEASED28. The Bitmark Foundation - first donation.29. Launch analysis, mining, block chain configuration determined to be reasonable.30. We propose Investor Public Mining (IPM) to the community. 31. IPM Pool 3 Day Test. 32. What makes Bitmark distinct. 33. Decentralization of Supply and Distribution and Spreading out the Bitmark Network. 34. Investor Public Mining (IPM) Pool Test Update35. P2Pool and Checkpoints36. Get Marked37. A significant modification to IPM38. getMarked.org39. One Week Old40. GPU Mining41. Areas where help is needed42. Comparison of the Currency Supply of Bitcoin, Bitmark, and Litecoin43. Bitmark's Value, 13 Day Review44. Evaluating the effect of Exchanges, NOMP, Service Ideas45. Marking46. Support added to inuit, a very neat cold storage application 47. bitcore, insight-api, insight support48. @ProjectBitmark and /r/bitmark49. bitmark.co collaboratively specified50. BTM lands on it's first exchange, Poloniex51. Project Bitmark adopt's open transparent project management52. Project Bitmark Status Overview 153. Network Health Charts54. New Identity, Prototype Marking / Giving / Payment Buttons55. Pfennig ready to fork, Cryptonator, hash-to-coins, crypto-prices, checkpoints56. new block explorer57. network difficulty over 20058. new bitmark branding59. Bitmark v0.9.2.2 Released60. Bitmark Innovation and the API61. Pfennig updated to 0.9.2.262. Brain Wallet and Address Generator63. The mark (₥) is 1⁄1000 of a BTM64. Marking visualized in image65. Marking - DACs and Multi Signatures66. This week marks history for GridSeed Wholesale, it is the first time we feature a non-altcoin concept as the coin of the week.67. We will be working to support identifi and merge it in with marking, giving us a big open p2p trust network as another backbone for our system 68. The team has migrated to an integrated team environment on slack.com. Contact for an invite. 69. The first marking implementations have begun, jurassic mark - primitive marking implementations. 70. Our team is now in double digits, including the addition of another committed developer. 71. Technical specifications of data related to marking are being defined on the marking wiki. 72. Our first non human agent joined the team, markus a hubot integrated in to most of our tools now also works hard for us. 73. Markus is on twitter @RobotMarkus - he will provide team updates The Bitmark FoundationThe Bitmark Foundation is to be specified over the coming months, to be launched fully funded on the 2015-07-13, our one year anniversary. The Foundation will model an autonomous organisation, and oversee the work on Project Bitmark, with members who specialize in multiple sectors. We have decided to lower our funding goal for the Bitmark Foundation to 5000 BTM, and we will not actively seek to raise funds after this amount is reached. Together we are creating Marking, the technology which solves funding issues for every person and project in the world. The Bitmark Foundation and work done by this umbrella project will be funded in this way too. The Foundation funds will be held as a reserve and will not be touched until after 2015-07-13, in the future they will be used to mark worthy projects and charities. Donation can be made to bQmnzVS5M4bBdZqBTuHrjnzxHS6oSUz6cG. Donations towards current development over the first year are also accepted, in the form of BTC. The donation address is 1KsbYk2rMvwg456PyPmLuEgERPwyuxtGRL. We are entirely community funded. previous addressClone us with PfennigWe have released and are maintaining Pfennig as a community service, so that new scrypt based clones can be created from a modern, tested, and secure code base, instead of using outdated and copy-pasted legacy code. Our rationale is that people will create clones, so we may as well ensure those who use the clones have a good code base to back up any perceived value the clones may have. Pfennig is kept up to date, and is always based on the latest tagged Bitmark release, and also the latest tagged Bitcoin release. CreditsContributorsmymenace: Provided logo concepts and high quality final revisions Allow: Provided gui design elements and design input schnötzel, pandher, macbackfat, Este Nuno: All helped test Bitmark/Pfennig on various platforms DonatorsAnonymous: 0.0159 BTC Guriqbal Pandher: 0.2 BTC PondSea (on behalf of the Qora Community): 0.1 BTC Pentamon: 0.1 BTC Este Nuno: 0.1 BTC ethought: 0.1 BTC deepcoreotc: 0.0023 BTC chengren: 0.05 BTC zadinga: 0.03 BTC lukasplus: 0.01 BTC Mark Pfennig: 200 BTM Androidicus: 50 BTM Len: 200 BTM prix: 251 BTM medic: 250 BTM lukasplus: 50 BTM (Now too many to mention, all are equally and gratefully received...) When reading this thread, bitmark is evolutionary over time, this thread was originally titled 'define' and merged the conversation from several other threads, when reading this please be aware that it is a discussion which defined the project, many posts you read below and things discussed changed, were dropped, or were added over time, you can track the growth by reading through. It was many pages in before the 'bitmark' you know today was even created, and several more before 'marking'. The project continues to define and refine what is being done every week, it is a living and evolving project. For example, in reply one you will see the mention of 'taxation', which does not exist, we defined it then found it would break backwards compatibility so moved to donations instead. This is but one example.
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June 21, 2014, 06:32:45 PM |
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absolutely brilliant
a developer who actually researches the market and consults with the community
a side not
I understand a 50% transaction fee tax to attract miners and the fact it reduces to a small 0.125-0.250% tax, I am just unsure for the user how this correlates.
e.g. If i send 2 coins to user, do I then have to pay 1 coin to the network
if so another great idea as it will reduce people taking advantage of arbitrage during early development, but unsure if the tax applies to buying the coin on exchanges or from other people
did i get this right
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June 21, 2014, 06:48:11 PM Last edit: September 20, 2014, 02:15:31 PM by EvilDave |
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Interested!
(Sorry, couldn't resist...)
Yeah, it's nice to see a reasonably sane and possibly even professional approach to building a new crypto. If I had any free time, I'd contribute....as it is, I'll follow with interest.
Good luck...
EDIT 20/09/2014: See, I told you so......Bitmark rules.
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coinsolidation (OP)
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June 21, 2014, 07:09:54 PM |
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Thank you both, and mymenace for your kind feedback in my previous discussion threads. I understand a 50% transaction fee tax to attract miners and the fact it reduces to a small 0.125-0.250% tax, I am just unsure for the user how this correlates.
e.g. If i send 2 coins to user, do I then have to pay 1 coin to the network
if so another great idea as it will reduce people taking advantage of arbitrage during early development, but unsure if the tax applies to buying the coin on exchanges or from other people
did i get this right
I will add a Taxation section which clarifies this to the wiki, after this conversation. The Taxation / Developer funding works as follows: precursor: The block tax rate has not been decided yet, somewhere in the region of 0.125% to 0.25%. Mining ---------------------- If you mine a block the miner will receive: 20 coin (the full reward) The developer will receive: 0.025-0.05 coin. This equates to 0.9 to 1.8 blocks per day to the development team, or 18-36 coins per day. Out of a total of 14,400 new coins created each day. There is no trickery in this, no premine of that percentage, on every block mined the the stated percentage of reward is also sent to the development team. Transaction Fee --------------------- Traditional transaction fees apply, during the first 18 months: 50% of the fee is given to the developers, 50% to the miners. Every 18 months the developer tax % halves, and the miner fee increases correspondingly. So after 3 years the developer will get 12.5% and the miner 87.5%. This fee is to encourage the developers to focus on user adoption, the sooner they get it right, the more money they make (even though it's a marginal amount). Examples --------------------- You mine 10 blocks in a day. you will receive 20*10 coins, 200. The developers will receive 0.25-0.5 coins. The total coins minted per block will be 20.025 to 20.05. You send 120 coins to a friend, the applicable transaction fee is 0.004. You will send 120.004 as expected. The miner will claim 0.002 from the fee. The developer will claim 0.002 from the fee. Your friend will receive 120 coins. Developer Earnings Calculation --------------------- If we pin a milestone target of $ parity on the value of the coin, and assume no coins are touched, then after a year the developer will have ~$6500-$13000 worth of coin from block rewards. Assuming a 100 hour per month commitment to the project, that equates to an hourly rate of $5.5-$11 per hour of work. It's fair to presume I'm hoping the coin achieves a bit higher than $ parity over time, and the incentive is there. If $9 is achieved by ethical growth of the user base then this project becomes a successful full time job, or a small organization with paid staff. Sorry for being so verbose, I just want it to be clear.
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June 21, 2014, 07:32:02 PM |
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Developer Earnings Calculation --------------------- If we pin a milestone target of $ parity on the value of the coin, and assume no coins are touched, then after a year the developer will have ~$6500-$13000 worth of coin from block rewards. Assuming a 100 hour per month commitment to the project, that equates to an hourly rate of $5.5-$11 per hour of work. It's fair to presume I'm hoping the coin achieves a bit higher than $ parity over time, and the incentive is there. If $9 is achieved by ethical growth of the user base then this project becomes a successful full time job, or a small organization with paid staff.
Sorry for being so verbose, I just want it to be clear.
This seems really low to me. But I'd like to hear what other people think. There is potential for higher rewards but dollar parity after a year would be a 5.25 million dollar market cap(if I calculated that right) which wouldn't be a failure at all and I would think the devs would deserve more than that.
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June 21, 2014, 07:43:30 PM |
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I think the overview looks good.
Does anyone know if there have been coins with similar releases before? Any live coins with a similar philosophy?
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June 21, 2014, 07:46:36 PM |
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This would be a very healthy experiment. I still consider the IPO model (paying the developer up-front) to be fair still. This would be a lot more fair than that.
Bookmarked. And the best of luck with realizing your ideas.
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coinsolidation (OP)
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June 21, 2014, 08:04:03 PM |
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Developer Earnings Calculation --------------------- If we pin a milestone target of $ parity on the value of the coin, and assume no coins are touched, then after a year the developer will have ~$6500-$13000 worth of coin from block rewards. Assuming a 100 hour per month commitment to the project, that equates to an hourly rate of $5.5-$11 per hour of work.
This seems really low to me. But I'd like to hear what other people think. There is potential for higher rewards but dollar parity after a year would be a 5.25 million dollar market cap(if I calculated that right) which wouldn't be a failure at all and I would think the devs would deserve more than that. It's all relative. If the project picks up to an $84m cap instead, and the developer has earned $200k worth of coins, without transaction fees, and with the assumption that they'll mine or buy a few hours worth of blocks themselves over the year. Then people may feel that's high. I'd like to avoid being in a position where people feel those working on the project are excessively remunerated.. complaints of "not enough" are far nicer to deal with than complaints of "too much!". This would be a very healthy experiment. I still consider the IPO model (paying the developer up-front) to be fair still. This would be a lot more fair than that.
I have an alternative to the IPO model and donation model which I may need to turn to in order to buy some resources for the project (templates, servers, leased rigs for testnet). If we follow the notion that the developer is hired by the community, then developer days (monthly developer reward / 25) = ~52.5 coins could be auctioned or sold in advance at an agreed rate, and only for a reasonable amount of time, say an "advance" of "next weeks wages" at an agreed amount in return for ~250 coins. It seems a reasonable approach to funding the early stage resources. Not quite as nice as blind donations, and not as risky as IPO.
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Developer Earnings Calculation --------------------- If we pin a milestone target of $ parity on the value of the coin, and assume no coins are touched, then after a year the developer will have ~$6500-$13000 worth of coin from block rewards. Assuming a 100 hour per month commitment to the project, that equates to an hourly rate of $5.5-$11 per hour of work.
This seems really low to me. But I'd like to hear what other people think. There is potential for higher rewards but dollar parity after a year would be a 5.25 million dollar market cap(if I calculated that right) which wouldn't be a failure at all and I would think the devs would deserve more than that. It's all relative. If the project picks up to an $84m cap instead, and the developer has earned $200k worth of coins, without transaction fees, and with the assumption that they'll mine or buy a few hours worth of blocks themselves over the year. Then people may feel that's high. I'd like to avoid being in a position where people feel those working on the project are excessively remunerated.. complaints of "not enough" are far nicer to deal with than complaints of "too much!". This would be a very healthy experiment. I still consider the IPO model (paying the developer up-front) to be fair still. This would be a lot more fair than that.
I have an alternative to the IPO model and donation model which I may need to turn to in order to buy some resources for the project (templates, servers, leased rigs for testnet). If we follow the notion that the developer is hired by the community, then developer days (monthly developer reward / 25) = ~52.5 coins could be auctioned or sold in advance at an agreed rate, and only for a reasonable amount of time, say an "advance" of "next weeks wages" at an agreed amount in return for ~250 coins. It seems a reasonable approach to funding the early stage resources. Not quite as nice as blind donations, and not as risky as IPO. Yeah I think it's almost always necessary to have at least some funds at the start so that there are enough resources to get the launch going properly.
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thanks that cleared it up, thought I has got it wrong if an IPO or similar is ever established, i would like to suggest a ROI over 12 or more months later to reduce investors dumping coins Thank you both, and mymenace for your kind feedback in my previous discussion threads. I understand a 50% transaction fee tax to attract miners and the fact it reduces to a small 0.125-0.250% tax, I am just unsure for the user how this correlates.
e.g. If i send 2 coins to user, do I then have to pay 1 coin to the network
if so another great idea as it will reduce people taking advantage of arbitrage during early development, but unsure if the tax applies to buying the coin on exchanges or from other people
did i get this right
I will add a Taxation section which clarifies this to the wiki, after this conversation. The Taxation / Developer funding works as follows: precursor: The block tax rate has not been decided yet, somewhere in the region of 0.125% to 0.25%. Mining ---------------------- If you mine a block the miner will receive: 20 coin (the full reward) The developer will receive: 0.025-0.05 coin. This equates to 0.9 to 1.8 blocks per day to the development team, or 18-36 coins per day. Out of a total of 14,400 new coins created each day. There is no trickery in this, no premine of that percentage, on every block mined the the stated percentage of reward is also sent to the development team. Transaction Fee --------------------- Traditional transaction fees apply, during the first 18 months: 50% of the fee is given to the developers, 50% to the miners. Every 18 months the developer tax % halves, and the miner fee increases correspondingly. So after 3 years the developer will get 12.5% and the miner 87.5%. This fee is to encourage the developers to focus on user adoption, the sooner they get it right, the more money they make (even though it's a marginal amount). Examples --------------------- You mine 10 blocks in a day. you will receive 20*10 coins, 200. The developers will receive 0.25-0.5 coins. The total coins minted per block will be 20.025 to 20.05. You send 120 coins to a friend, the applicable transaction fee is 0.004. You will send 120.004 as expected. The miner will claim 0.002 from the fee. The developer will claim 0.002 from the fee. Your friend will receive 120 coins. Developer Earnings Calculation --------------------- If we pin a milestone target of $ parity on the value of the coin, and assume no coins are touched, then after a year the developer will have ~$6500-$13000 worth of coin from block rewards. Assuming a 100 hour per month commitment to the project, that equates to an hourly rate of $5.5-$11 per hour of work. It's fair to presume I'm hoping the coin achieves a bit higher than $ parity over time, and the incentive is there. If $9 is achieved by ethical growth of the user base then this project becomes a successful full time job, or a small organization with paid staff. Sorry for being so verbose, I just want it to be clear.
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June 22, 2014, 12:44:29 AM |
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Yeah I think it's almost always necessary to have at least some funds at the start so that there are enough resources to get the launch going properly.
if an IPO or similar is ever established, i would like to suggest a ROI over 12 or more months later to reduce investors dumping coins
I'm very keen to avoid any kind of IPO, debt, or false expectation. Some funds may be necessary for a dedicated server (development / website / resources / main node), domain names, some templates and graphic resources, and some leased mining for the testnet so we can switch between 10mh and 200mh. All of that together is probably only 1-2 BTC per month max. This thread seems to have worked and attracted some good people to the discussion, so I'm confident that as a need for each resource arises we'll be able to come to a reasonable solution. Since this is the opposite of new most coins in here (no rush to launch, inflate price, scam, dump on markets and so forth) the considerations are quite different, and also the problems. As an example you don't really see Bitcoin or Litecoin suffering from huge negative changes in difficulty due to multipools, or clambering to be added to an exchange or pool as soon as possible. This coin will be the same, if an exchange see's merit of adding it due to demand then so be it, if somebody wants to set up a pool, then great, but we won't be pushing for it. Organic natural growth based on adoption and utility is the goal. I'm perfectly happy for the coin to have negligible value at the start.
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June 22, 2014, 10:27:31 AM |
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Wow! Respect for your ambition! Only one thing makes me sad: "I'm very keen to avoid any kind of IPO..." My answer: Shut up and take my money! Good luck, watching closely!
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June 22, 2014, 11:52:51 AM |
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Start using Bitcoin instead of dreaming of getting rich and making something "new".
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June 22, 2014, 12:36:15 PM Last edit: June 22, 2014, 12:47:33 PM by coinsolidation |
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Start using Bitcoin instead of dreaming of getting rich and making something "new".
Please take the time to read the overview, I've taken every step I can to try and engage the community whilst making it clear that this isn't about getting rich. It's a programming / standardization project, not an alt coin get rich quick scheme. One I see a need for precisely because I have used Bitcoin extensively for a number of years. I don't want your money, just some feedback or discussion, if you have the time to give it. Hopefully that's a reasonable request.
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June 22, 2014, 12:50:24 PM |
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Eta?
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coinsolidation (OP)
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June 22, 2014, 04:00:22 PM |
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Eta?
Uncertain. Targets for this working week are to have: - chosen & secured a name + domain
- base reference daemon ready for testing and running on the testnet
- developed and tested instamine prevention
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June 22, 2014, 04:00:40 PM |
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Start using Bitcoin instead of dreaming of getting rich and making something "new".
Clearly you've come to the wrong thread. If you have been following coinsolidation's ideas at all you would know that this is not about that at all.
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June 22, 2014, 04:03:02 PM |
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Eta?
Uncertain. Targets for this working week are to have: - chosen & secured a name + domain
- base reference daemon ready for testing and running on the testnet
- developed and tested instamine prevention
Will be following
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June 22, 2014, 04:09:53 PM |
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Eta?
Uncertain. Targets for this working week are to have: - chosen & secured a name + domain
- base reference daemon ready for testing and running on the testnet
- developed and tested instamine prevention
Does this mean these tasks are likely to be completed by next weekend and we can start testing the reference daemon on the testnet?
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June 22, 2014, 04:20:34 PM |
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Does this mean these tasks are likely to be completed by next weekend and we can start testing the reference daemon on the testnet?
Yes, step one entails recreating litecoin from the latest stable bitcoin branch, adjusting as needed, renaming things, and putting in the block chain configuration. It isn't a major amount of work, but will need extensive testing to ensure no bugs have been introduced. Any testing, feedback, bug reports during the week will be gratefully received.
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