[CryptoNote] A complete forking guide to create your own CryptoNote currency

[illodin]

Most of the CN clones have the same release/die off cycle. They get released with one changed parameter (emission, merged-mine, block time, meme) and silence from the developer. The developer posts that something is coming then disappears for another week. The grammar and cryptic messages are always similar.

1 + 1 = ?

[btc-mike]

Most of the CN clones have the same release/die off cycle. They get released with one changed parameter (emission, merged-mine, block time, meme) and silence from the developer. The developer posts that something is coming then disappears for another week. The grammar and cryptic messages are always similar.

1 + 1 = ?

1 + 1 = 1

Same person? Remove all the proper names. You can't tell the difference between CN, bitmonero, quazar, fantom, etc. Every person has their own writing style except for the devs of these coins.

[ZoeJane]

Most of the CN clones have the same release/die off cycle. They get released with one changed parameter (emission, merged-mine, block time, meme) and silence from the developer. The developer posts that something is coming then disappears for another week. The grammar and cryptic messages are always similar.

So what? Of course you can find some common tends but it's happening because of scammy devs, not because of CryptoNote team.

[HornyMiner]

Same person? Remove all the proper names. You can't tell the difference between CN, bitmonero, quazar, fantom, etc. Every person has their own writing style except for the devs of these coins.

Man, this forum is full of scams but i want to ask you only one thing. If you are talking with some guy or girl and he isn't agree with you or he wanna troll you it doesn't mean that he is a scam of working for scams. Maybe he just a nice guy who have a mood for trolling or he thinks that you are an idiot. But

[MidnightRon]

Most of the CN clones have the same release/die off cycle. They get released with one changed parameter (emission, merged-mine, block time, meme) and silence from the developer. The developer posts that something is coming then disappears for another week. The grammar and cryptic messages are always similar.

Who cares?

[ManFromJupiter]

Avast reports:

Avast is one of the worst antivirus app ever made. It's my opinion sir and it's based on one epic moment when avast decided that some of my win7 files are viruses too.

[PizzaTraveler]

Avast reports:

Avast is one of the worst antivirus app ever made. It's my opinion sir and it's based on one epic moment when avast decided that some of my win7 files are viruses too.

I agree. You shoudn't use him.

But i also don't want to write off-topic posts so that's why the main idea of my message is that i really want to wish this project a really good luck! We need more altcoins nowadays to stay alive and support the market economy between different currencies!

[btc-mike]

Look at the profiles of the last five posters. Created in last 2 months. Start posting in off-topic/politics. Only post about CN coins, never about other coins.

[kbm]

Look at the profiles of the last five posters. Created in last 2 months. Start posting in off-topic/politics. Only post about CN coins, never about other coins.

Yeah .. the same type of horde was presented in the BCN thread, and also were heavily present around the shift from the BMR to MRO thread. Sockpuppets are a common occurrence in all of these threads. OFC you can say the same about mine; however, I have only one active profile at a time .. not that it makes a difference but it would be pretty awkward for me to use multiple accounts simultaneously.

It's fun to speculate why they're around though. Either BCN promoters, CN promoters, paid marketing competition from another altcoin, paid competition from a totally alternative group perhaps not relating to any currency at all, someone just bored, anything really can fit .. the main theme that seems to be present for all of them is that they usually post highly suggestive, non-targeted, potentially offensive, comments designed to be mostly passed over -- but noticed (perhaps unconsciously) -- in order to cause general confusion without inciting an argument. There were also some in the DRK thread, but IIRC they usually just copied and pasted previous comments .. but it can't be confirmed whether or not these are the same people.

Personally I'm guessing just someone's subliminal advertising marketing group .. but who's to know? Best advice is to just know when they're around and, after recognition, give a factual answer if possible .. so that anyone else reading the comments doesn't get sucked into the trap.

[darkota]

Look at the profiles of the last five posters. Created in last 2 months. Start posting in off-topic/politics. Only post about CN coins, never about other coins.

Yeah .. the same type of horde was presented in the BCN thread, and also were heavily present around the shift from the BMR to MRO thread. Sockpuppets are a common occurrence in all of these threads. OFC you can say the same about mine; however, I have only one active profile at a time .. not that it makes a difference but it would be pretty awkward for me to use multiple accounts simultaneously.

It's fun to speculate why they're around though. Either BCN promoters, CN promoters, paid marketing competition from another altcoin, paid competition from a totally alternative group perhaps not relating to any currency at all, someone just bored, anything really can fit .. the main theme that seems to be present for all of them is that they usually post highly suggestive, non-targeted, potentially offensive, comments designed to be mostly passed over -- but noticed (perhaps unconsciously) -- in order to cause general confusion without inciting an argument. There were also some in the DRK thread, but IIRC they usually just copied and pasted previous comments .. but it can't be confirmed whether or not these are the same people.

Personally I'm guessing just someone's subliminal advertising marketing group .. but who's to know? Best advice is to just know when they're around and, after recognition, give a factual answer if possible .. so that anyone else reading the comments doesn't get sucked into the trap.

They're most likely all shill/sockpuppet accounts created and used by one guy, especially cause you see one of them go offline, and the other goes online right after, aka PizzaTraveler is online now, and all others are offline. It's really pathetic, but that's how some people are.

[PizzaTraveler]

They're most likely all shill/sockpuppet accounts created and used by one guy, especially cause you see one of them go offline, and the other goes online right after, aka PizzaTraveler is online now, and all others are offline. It's really pathetic, but that's how some people are.

By using your logic, at the moment right after btc-mike will go offline but you will stay on, i can say that you are the same guy, just because you are  online now, but the other guy is offline. *facepalm*

Stop this game, don't act like a little troll.

[btc-mike]

They're most likely all shill/sockpuppet accounts created and used by one guy, especially cause you see one of them go offline, and the other goes online right after, aka PizzaTraveler is online now, and all others are offline. It's really pathetic, but that's how some people are.

By using your logic, at the moment right after btc-mike will go offline but you will stay on, i can say that you are the same guy, just because you are  online now, but the other guy is offline. *facepalm*

Stop this game, don't act like a little troll.

LOL - I just imagined darkota and I arguing on the other thread. But we were actually the same person.

[kbm]

They're most likely all shill/sockpuppet accounts created and used by one guy, especially cause you see one of them go offline, and the other goes online right after, aka PizzaTraveler is online now, and all others are offline. It's really pathetic, but that's how some people are.

By using your logic, at the moment right after btc-mike will go offline but you will stay on, i can say that you are the same guy, just because you are  online now, but the other guy is offline. *facepalm*

Stop this game, don't act like a little troll.

LOL - I just imagined darkota and I arguing on the other thread. But we were actually the same person.

I laughed there too. One thing I can't figure out though is that .. there's no restrictions besides time now for newbie accounts. You can literally post everywhere, but have a 360 second timer between posts. Why do these accounts all have the post count set so that's gone before they post anything substantial/more focused?

I'm guessing it's because most of them sign in from the same ip address .. so 360 seconds really starts to add up.

[drawingthesun]

... What aboufor t blockchain bloating problem? Or how does Cryptonote protect againt double spend in case of 51% attack?

CryptoNote to my best understanding is a raw specification. Blockchain bloat is an issue of a specific implementation. It depends on how an implementation works. BoolBerry seems to have a solution to reduce the size of the blockchain already

Will this reference implementation fix the scalability issues?

They said it's pretty much the code base of bytecoin plus boolberry and monero code added in. So once Monero fixes the scalability issues then the reference will have them inside.

[drawingthesun]

I cannot understand how the CryptoNote team are making such a bad decision whilst also being very intelligent (making CryptoNote in the first place)

The bad decision is this: More clones mean more hashrate spread about thus making all the CryptoNote coins weaker. This is why Satoshi would never advocate hundreds of Bitcoin clones because it harms the overall security of Bitcoin.

The market can support perhaps a handful of coins, but any more and the hashrate dilution starts to seem more like an attack.

I must conclude that the current CryptoNote team are not the original mathematicians and programmers that created CryptoNote and in fact a newer group of people that have inherited the project. This new team are now advocating hashrate dilution that will make each CryptoNote coin more venerable.

There's only one way this can be opposed, the community must vote via their miners a market leader, thankfully Monero now has more hashrate than all the other CryptoNote coins combined and thus a leader has been chosen.

Remember guys and girls, hashrate is very important and not just academic, if all the CryptoNote coins had similar hashrates there could be no market leader as people would be wary of an attack. At the moment it seems that Monero is far more secure than all the other CryptoNote coins.

We should be against hashrate dilution, not advocating it as these "CryptoNote developers" advise.

When this team advocates something that reads like an attack on the security of the CryptoNote ecosystem you have to ask yourself, do these people have our best interests at heart? I say they don't, this move is so immature and dangerous, the only conclusion is that they are not the original creators of CryptoNote but rather a later set of people that have inherited the project and are misinformed.

The monero team is the most active, and they have academics reviewing the code and white paper, they are being more responsible towards CryptoNote than this original team.

[GreekBitcoin]

I cannot understand how the CryptoNote team are making such a bad decision whilst also being very intelligent (making CryptoNote in the first place)

The bad decision is this: More clones mean more hashrate spread about thus making all the CryptoNote coins weaker. This is why Satoshi would never advocate hundreds of Bitcoin clones because it harms the overall security of Bitcoin.

The market can support perhaps a handful of coins, but any more and the hashrate dilution starts to seem more like an attack.

I must conclude that the current CryptoNote team are not the original mathematicians and programmers that created CryptoNote and in fact a newer group of people that have inherited the project. This new team are now advocating hashrate dilution that will make each CryptoNote coin more venerable.

There's only one way this can be opposed, the community must vote via their miners a market leader, thankfully Monero now has more hashrate than all the other CryptoNote coins combined and thus a leader has been chosen.

Remember guys and girls, hashrate is very important and not just academic, if all the CryptoNote coins had similar hashrates there could be no market leader as people would be wary of an attack. At the moment it seems that Monero is far more secure than all the other CryptoNote coins.

We should be against hashrate dilution, not advocating it as these "CryptoNote developers" advise.

When this team advocates something that reads like an attack on the security of the CryptoNote ecosystem you have to ask yourself, do these people have our best interests at heart? I say they don't, this move is so immature and dangerous, the only conclusion is that they are not the original creators of CryptoNote but rather a later set of people that have inherited the project and are misinformed.

The monero team is the most active, and they have academics reviewing the code and white paper, they are being more responsible towards CryptoNote than this original team.

When a new clone comes out i just mine it for a day or two before i keep mining what i know is a serious coin, wait for like 10 days for a market to accept it, dump it and then buy with the BTC  i gained the serious one

Coins with nothing new, zero dev support and zero community will just wither or may do small spike before they die...People that mine such just wait for this spike if ever comes and have time to dump. In reality they mostly lose time and money by mining those instead of serious one. I even consider my second day of mining too much...

Ah Dogecoin...if it ever did something it is giving hopes for people to mine whatever shit they find...

[kbm]

I must conclude that the current CryptoNote team are not the original mathematicians and programmers that created CryptoNote and in fact a newer group of people that have inherited the project. This new team are now advocating hashrate dilution that will make each CryptoNote coin more venerable.

One of my favorite speculations is that Bytecoin/BetaNote/Cybernote/Cryptonote are all ripoffs of yet another main currency that has yet to surface.

For a little background:

Cryptonote was the name of the project on the first .onion site, with no mention of bytecoin anywhere. go look at the reddit dstrange put together and look for the screen cap w/ green letters.

Bytecoin was the name of the same project on the .com site, now calling the project that name instead of taking cryptonote as the name (though they still managed to miss the name of the project as 'cybernote' in the readme file -- even after two years of putting it together)

Betanote is claimed by Catherine Irwin to be the name of the project before it was bytecoin/cryptonote. I would guess this would just be the beta version. But that's a catch in itself, because if there was a beta version for testing -- it would imply that there was no need to hide the project for two years (from claimed aggressors) as was originally claimed by one/both of the groups.

Cybernote was a possible typo name in the github when the project first surfaced. It can easily be speculated that this was, at one point, the name of the/a project. Who ever remembers readme's anyways?

Now we have Bytecoin/cryptonote project merging code that breaks their wallets .. awkward, and a cryptonote site that's pressing rather insanely for both merge mining and infinite forks.

Only wild speculation can exist at this point, but with all the variables present .. i'm sure it can take you pretty far.

Really all I do know is that this isn't how reasonable people act, historically. Something's dead wrong here, and I don't really care what it is. As you've said, Monero's the market leader right now. Boolberry's there too, though a little more distant .. the market is speaking volumes about all of this .. and it's saying that it's more than a little worried about whatever past this protocol has had to the point where it's willing to put the future of this protocol into the hands of those that did not birth it into the world. I agree with the market, and think that this is the best chance for the continued survival of this protocol.

[Rias]

I think that CryptoNote was pretty clear with their point. They want more coins so that the whole platform takes off due to internal competition. Just reflect on your own reaction, once threatened with diluted hash rate, you start to call on the supporters around your coin. So ultimately, this seems to be working exactly according to CryptoNote's plan.

I might not be getting all the strategic stuff they've posted and might not share their vision, but still I think that CryptoNote is pretty consistent with their strategy. They want the whole platform to advance, not a certain coin. They deny that they'll launch their coin (and as of now it is written forever in the web and can be linked to if CN digresses from its vision).

In my opinion, CryptoNote is doing something much more important than trying to make a quick buck. It's a shame that XMR supporters are so obsessed with their coin and hash rate that they deny strategic development. Come on guys, you do have the highest hash rate, but it is 80% botnets. What's the point in trying to secure a rotten apple? CryptoNote is trying to change the world, while you are interested in your investment payoff. That's puny and unworthy.

[BitcoinForumator]

I think that CryptoNote was pretty clear with their point. They want more coins so that the whole platform takes off due to internal competition. Just reflect on your own reaction, once threatened with diluted hash rate, you start to call on the supporters around your coin. So ultimately, this seems to be working exactly according to CryptoNote's plan.

I might not be getting all the strategic stuff they've posted and might not share their vision, but still I think that CryptoNote is pretty consistent with their strategy. They want the whole platform to advance, not a certain coin. They deny that they'll launch their coin (and as of now it is written forever in the web and can be linked to if CN digresses from its vision).

In my opinion, CryptoNote is doing something much more important than trying to make a quick buck. It's a shame that XMR supporters are so obsessed with their coin and hash rate that they deny strategic development. Come on guys, you do have the highest hash rate, but it is 80% botnets. What's the point in trying to secure a rotten apple? CryptoNote is trying to change the world, while you are interested in your investment payoff. That's puny and unworthy.

So what coin would you support? You have to support some coin.

[Jcw188]

I think that CryptoNote was pretty clear with their point. They want more coins so that the whole platform takes off due to internal competition. Just reflect on your own reaction, once threatened with diluted hash rate, you start to call on the supporters around your coin. So ultimately, this seems to be working exactly according to CryptoNote's plan.

I might not be getting all the strategic stuff they've posted and might not share their vision, but still I think that CryptoNote is pretty consistent with their strategy. They want the whole platform to advance, not a certain coin. They deny that they'll launch their coin (and as of now it is written forever in the web and can be linked to if CN digresses from its vision).

In my opinion, CryptoNote is doing something much more important than trying to make a quick buck. It's a shame that XMR supporters are so obsessed with their coin and hash rate that they deny strategic development. Come on guys, you do have the highest hash rate, but it is 80% botnets. What's the point in trying to secure a rotten apple? CryptoNote is trying to change the world, while you are interested in your investment payoff. That's puny and unworthy.

pretty much agreed.

But currency aims likewise should not detract from CN itself: its devs have put in such an insane amount of work and there are considerably easier ways to make a quick bit of cash. Consistency of strategy also points to this.

I would even suggest that some of the more unsavory talk on this forum when it comes to coin wars was assumed by CN - competition is competition after all, and communities will want to silence the criticism by demonstrating real progress, which in turn allows coins with real talent behind them to become more credible for everyone's benefit.