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[TheLittleDuke]

Definitely give it a try. In case there is new dev we can always hard fork and swap all users except of Nullu (if he doesn't pop up) and then have some bounty available for the new dev from the remaining new coins. So technically we can offer some bounty, the amount may be subject to public discussion. The problem is to find someone.

I'd like to cordially invite you all to consider a "reverse-merger" into 2GIVE

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741714.0

The whitepaper/value proposition is here:

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

With daily updates posted on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/projectgivecoin/

A "reverse merger" would essentially mean establishing a valuation and then asking an exchange to facilitate a coin-swap from PMP:2GIVE

We are planning something similar for a couple of other thinly supported ALTS.

If anything, we'd welcome the additional help with our "air drop" that is going on right now.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

-dvd

I don't dislike the idea.
PMP is dead for quite long time already and thus it need some fresh air, if this is to go somewhere.

What is the total supply of 2GIVE foreseen? I am asking that to check what the possible valuation of such swap would be.
Current number of PMP in circulation is somewhere between 400k and 500k coins.

Thanks for thoughtful reply -- it's refreshing in a world where the AltFanBoys cry "scam or spam" the when such offers are made ;-)

The total supply is 500M with approximately 250M going to the Bittrex V1 swap next week.  Normally a valuation is based on market cap pricing as of some ex-div date etc etc.

I can assure you that 2GIVE is being actively developed, in part to bring about some of the ideas in http://bit.ly/idcoins -- as we will be doing a "get verified" feature on website/community forum to determine stakeholder ranking -- going forward we want to introduce a new "Proof of Identity" block type into the chain.

This weekend we picked up another dev (old friend of mine) -- he was able to get the code to compile on the native Mac OS X "clang" toolset with Boost 1.60 to build a 64-bit binary!! -- We have already started accepting his pull requests back into the main branch to uplift the entire stack.

Github link:  http://github.com/LittleDuke/2GIVE

The other thing to note is that unlike many of the ALTs -- we are not anonymous ;-)

I'd encourage you to grab a copy of our wallet or build from source and "setgenerate true" to compete for the block rewards we're "airdropping" onto the chain -- 100K blocks producing 1K rewards every 1/2 hour for the first 30 days to power up the POS component, and right now we're dropping 1M blocks to Bittrex for the swap producing 10K rewards randomly throughout this week.

No rush -- just wanted to make the introduction and get the conversation started!

-dvd

[bluedude]

Definitely give it a try. In case there is new dev we can always hard fork and swap all users except of Nullu (if he doesn't pop up) and then have some bounty available for the new dev from the remaining new coins. So technically we can offer some bounty, the amount may be subject to public discussion. The problem is to find someone.

I'd like to cordially invite you all to consider a "reverse-merger" into 2GIVE

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741714.0

The whitepaper/value proposition is here:

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

With daily updates posted on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/projectgivecoin/

A "reverse merger" would essentially mean establishing a valuation and then asking an exchange to facilitate a coin-swap from PMP:2GIVE

We are planning something similar for a couple of other thinly supported ALTS.

If anything, we'd welcome the additional help with our "air drop" that is going on right now.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

-dvd

I like the idea, but it would be difficult to do a valuation of the coin as its not being traded in any exchanges now.
Could you tell us some rough figures you have in mind for the reverse merger?

[jalmari]

Definitely give it a try. In case there is new dev we can always hard fork and swap all users except of Nullu (if he doesn't pop up) and then have some bounty available for the new dev from the remaining new coins. So technically we can offer some bounty, the amount may be subject to public discussion. The problem is to find someone.

I'd like to cordially invite you all to consider a "reverse-merger" into 2GIVE

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741714.0

The whitepaper/value proposition is here:

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

With daily updates posted on FB:

https://www.facebook.com/projectgivecoin/

A "reverse merger" would essentially mean establishing a valuation and then asking an exchange to facilitate a coin-swap from PMP:2GIVE

We are planning something similar for a couple of other thinly supported ALTS.

If anything, we'd welcome the additional help with our "air drop" that is going on right now.

Thanks for your time and consideration.

-dvd

I like the idea, but it would be difficult to do a valuation of the coin as its not being traded in any exchanges now.
Could you tell us some rough figures you have in mind for the reverse merger?

Exactly my thoughts as well. Before I can say if I support this or not I should have some idea of the figures.

[TheLittleDuke]

I like the idea, but it would be difficult to do a valuation of the coin as its not being traded in any exchanges now.
Could you tell us some rough figures you have in mind for the reverse merger?

Exactly my thoughts as well. Before I can say if I support this or not I should have some idea of the figures.

"The worth of the thing is the price it will bring"

2GIVE is set to open on Bittrex next Tuesday May 10th -- after the massive "airdrop" we're doing wraps up -- there will still be regular drop every half hour during the first 30 days to seed the POS emit for the chain.

Does PMP have a market cap history somewhere to help calibrate?   Is it currently traded?  

We have come to an agreement with the Clean Water Coin (WATER) team and so we will likely do that deal first in the coming weeks.

Would love to hear your thoughts on our design though in the mean time?  

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

Thanks for considering this!  Fundamentally my primary interest is in building the support for an ecosphere and that requires stakeholders.  

-dvd

[yogibaer]

I like the idea, but it would be difficult to do a valuation of the coin as its not being traded in any exchanges now.
Could you tell us some rough figures you have in mind for the reverse merger?

Exactly my thoughts as well. Before I can say if I support this or not I should have some idea of the figures.

"The worth of the thing is the price it will bring"

2GIVE is set to open on Bittrex next Tuesday May 10th -- after the massive "airdrop" we're doing wraps up -- there will still be regular drop every half hour during the first 30 days to seed the POS emit for the chain.

Does PMP have a market cap history somewhere to help calibrate?   Is it currently traded?  

We have come to an agreement with the Clean Water Coin (WATER) team and so we will likely do that deal first in the coming weeks.

Would love to hear your thoughts on our design though in the mean time?  

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

Thanks for considering this!  Fundamentally my primary interest is in building the support for an ecosphere and that requires stakeholders.  

-dvd

- currently not traded
- http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/premineplus/

To move the coin, we need a wallet to mine blocks. PMP is currently POS only and I think setgenerate is not active in the wallet. The Blockchain isn't moving at all. Just to keep this in mind.

[zodiac3011]

I like the idea, but it would be difficult to do a valuation of the coin as its not being traded in any exchanges now.
Could you tell us some rough figures you have in mind for the reverse merger?

Exactly my thoughts as well. Before I can say if I support this or not I should have some idea of the figures.

"The worth of the thing is the price it will bring"

2GIVE is set to open on Bittrex next Tuesday May 10th -- after the massive "airdrop" we're doing wraps up -- there will still be regular drop every half hour during the first 30 days to seed the POS emit for the chain.

Does PMP have a market cap history somewhere to help calibrate?   Is it currently traded?  

We have come to an agreement with the Clean Water Coin (WATER) team and so we will likely do that deal first in the coming weeks.

Would love to hear your thoughts on our design though in the mean time?  

http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin

Thanks for considering this!  Fundamentally my primary interest is in building the support for an ecosphere and that requires stakeholders.  

-dvd

- currently not traded
- http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/premineplus/

To move the coin, we need a wallet to mine blocks. PMP is currently POS only and I think setgenerate is not active in the wallet. The Blockchain isn't moving at all. Just to keep this in mind.

It's been a long time since I got back here. At least we should have a newest copy of the blockchain  before we can get our hands on working with this. Other solution is to re-roll this project from the right start with the same concept but different way to distribute than sending message to someone to be added on the list like that. I myself love the way how coins are distributed of Faucetcoin, via yobit free coins. So everyone can easily access to the coin

[TheLittleDuke]

*EDITED*

Found the code will take a look...

https://github.com/themightyx/premineplus

- currently not traded
- http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/premineplus/

To move the coin, we need a wallet to mine blocks. PMP is currently POS only and I think setgenerate is not active in the wallet. The Blockchain isn't moving at all. Just to keep this in mind.

This is was one of the design considerations identified in 2GIVE and WHY it supports both POS and POW.

Are you saying no one is running a live wallet and staking ATM?  Or is the POS broken??

Even if it's POS only the SENDs should still work -- as long as someone is staking and folding those TX into their blocks.

Where is the code I can download and build?   I'll take a quick look, but likely cannot tinker with it until after the Bittrex exchange of 2GIVE goes live next Tuesday -- THEN I'll have more bandwidth (mentally anyway) ;-)

-dvd

[TheLittleDuke]

Okay looking at the code and the resulting Windows Wallet -- that is one messy distro...

I was able to get 2GIVE to build as a static binary into a single .exe (on windows) and we have QR code support working...

http://2Give.Info/#download

Looks like some interesting ideas -- fired up the Windows Wallet and it's syncing against two peers

Here's an address if someone feels like bouncing some coins around :  

PWMKVcLQKtfw9uoHTMcFiGa8gEMBf36FqJ

ALSO, appears that "setgenerate true" works in the console....but will have to look at the block emit code since i'm sure if you're POS only now after some blockheight it's not doing anything, and i would be surprised if the chain accepts empty POW blocks....

in main.cpp:

 if (IsProofOfWork() && nHeight > POW_CUTOFF_BLOCK)
        return DoS(100, error("AcceptBlock() : No PoW block allowed anymore (height = %d)", nHeight));

Code:

{
"version" : "v0.7.7.0",
"protocolversion" : 60009,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 0.00000000,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 0.00000000,
"blocks" : 5065,
"moneysupply" : 1002222.22322900,
"connections" : 2,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "192.169.7.69",
"difficulty" : 0.00024414,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1462542616,
"keypoolsize" : 101,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"errors" : "Info: Currently minting one or more stake amounts."
}


[
{
"addr" : "90.161.84.133:17222",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1462542742,
"lastrecv" : 1462542749,
"conntime" : 1462542628,
"version" : 60009,
"subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
"inbound" : false,
"releasetime" : 0,
"startingheight" : 123413,
"banscore" : 0
},
{
"addr" : "88.115.126.51:17222",
"services" : "00000001",
"lastsend" : 1462542709,
"lastrecv" : 1462542709,
"conntime" : 1462542696,
"version" : 60008,
"subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.6/",
"inbound" : false,
"releasetime" : 0,
"startingheight" : 123414,
"banscore" : 0
}
]


08:59:24 getgenerate
08:59:24 false


08:59:30 setgenerate true
08:59:30
08:59:34 getgenerate
08:59:34 true

[yogibaer]

@TheLittleDuke

The blockchain is fine, but almost all wallets are offline/forgotten. That's why we need setgenerate to make sure blocks are moving. If everyone wants to send their coins no coins are left for staking ...

[TheLittleDuke]

@TheLittleDuke

The blockchain is fine, but almost all wallets are offline/forgotten. That's why we need setgenerate to make sure blocks are moving. If everyone wants to send their coins no coins are left for staking ...

Wallet seems stuck at 30000 blocks !?!  Stopped wallet, now all I get is a blank dialog when I start -- must be what that DeleteBlockChain batch file is for - LOL !?!

Staking should be happening without setgenerate (unless you guys wired that in to be your staking??)

The UI is telling me I generate four 0 valued TX's but LISTTRANSACTIONS shows nothing :p

In 2GIVE the MINT and the GENERATE are two different things -- you can actually enable/disable both from the UI now:



"The Worth of the Thing is the Price it will Bring"

Just to calibrate what I have to offer -- we currently have ~40 persistent connections on each of our seed nodes and growing, active development and on Tuesday a tradable coin on Bittrex.

Assuming I can get your wallet to build/run and coin sends actually work, what's your reaction to a 1:1 swap?

I'd generate individual receive addresses, you send me your PMP and I'll send you 2GIVE individually -- chances are good you could pick up some of the "airdrop" we have going on right now that would improve your stake.

From my perspective, marketcap aside, my time and energy are worth a lot to me -- just to put things in perspective I spent more on Trademarks, legal fee's and outside counsel including accountants to vet the 2GIVE whitepaper (http://bit.ly/2GiveCoin) in the last month than either original GIVE or the last valuation for PMP was worth combined.

That's my opening offer....1:1 swap assuming I can get a stable PMP wallet online and fully sync'd...

Your thoughts?

-dvd

[TheLittleDuke]

FYI I just built a linux daemon from scratch and put one online on one of our 2GIVE seed nodes to see if it can sync...

you can addnode=192.169.7.65

if it works ;-)

(evidently your wallet doesn't have the 'addnode <ip> add|delete command in the console?)

stay tuned

-dvd

[TheLittleDuke]

FYI I just built a linux daemon from scratch and put one online on one of our 2GIVE seed nodes to see if it can sync...

you can addnode=192.169.7.65

if it works ;-)

(evidently your wallet doesn't have the 'addnode <ip> add|delete command in the console?)

stay tuned

-dvd

Nope it hangs too (on the plus side my windows wallet auto discovered it):

Code:

coind@seed:~$ ./PreminePlusd getinfo
{
    "version" : "v0.7.7.0",
    "protocolversion" : 60009,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "newmint" : 0.00000000,
    "stake" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 29996,
    "moneysupply" : 1030702.04211500,
    "connections" : 5,
    "proxy" : "",
    "ip" : "192.169.7.65",
    "difficulty" : 0.00024896,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1462548035,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00010000,
    "errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers."
}

[TheLittleDuke]

Nope it hangs too (on the plus side my windows wallet auto discovered it):

just killed and restarted with commandline option -nosynccheckpoints

and we made it a bit further to

Code:

    "blocks" : 30496,

ALSO noticed the system still uses the IRC bootstrap code -- how quaint ;-)

anyone have a binary of the blockchain I could download?

-dvd

[jalmari]

I am online every day some hours and I have e.g. today found two blocks.

Here is my getinfo:

------------------

{
"version" : "v0.7.6.0",
"protocolversion" : 60008,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 654.13343900,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 1212.62067300,
"blocks" : 123418,
"moneysupply" : 1131596.05863000,
"connections" : 7,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "************",
"difficulty" : 0.00024896,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1405966104,
"keypoolsize" : 102,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers."
}

[TheLittleDuke]

I am online every day some hours and I have e.g. today found two blocks.

Here is my getinfo:

------------------

{
"version" : "v0.7.6.0",
"protocolversion" : 60008,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 654.13343900,
"newmint" : 0.00000000,
"stake" : 1212.62067300,
"blocks" : 123418,
"moneysupply" : 1131596.05863000,
"connections" : 7,
"proxy" : "",
"ip" : "************",
"difficulty" : 0.00024896,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1405966104,
"keypoolsize" : 102,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"errors" : "WARNING: Checkpoint is too old. Wait for block chain to download, or notify developers."
}

can you do a "getpeerinfo" dump for me?

I can try forcing a connect= to a source that has the highest number of blocks

[skunk]

here's mine:

Code:

[
    {
        "addr" : "52.33.64.36:55842",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462551913,
        "lastrecv" : 1462552424,
        "conntime" : 1462467559,
        "version" : 60009,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
        "inbound" : true,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 123412,
        "banscore" : 0
    },
    {
        "addr" : "88.115.126.51:17222",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462551912,
        "lastrecv" : 1462551912,
        "conntime" : 1462514971,
        "version" : 60008,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.6/",
        "inbound" : false,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 123412,
        "banscore" : 0
    },
    {
        "addr" : "101.98.11.146:58544",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462551706,
        "lastrecv" : 1462552414,
        "conntime" : 1462516330,
        "version" : 60009,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
        "inbound" : true,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 113527,
        "banscore" : 0
    },
    {
        "addr" : "91.65.39.65:50099",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462552411,
        "lastrecv" : 1462553367,
        "conntime" : 1462546967,
        "version" : 60009,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
        "inbound" : true,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 123412,
        "banscore" : 0
    },
    {
        "addr" : "192.169.7.65:17222",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462553451,
        "lastrecv" : 1462553451,
        "conntime" : 1462551680,
        "version" : 60009,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
        "inbound" : false,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 30996,
        "banscore" : 0
    },
    {
        "addr" : "84.200.19.79:48324",
        "services" : "00000001",
        "lastsend" : 1462553367,
        "lastrecv" : 1462553273,
        "conntime" : 1462553204,
        "version" : 60009,
        "subver" : "/PreminePlus:0.7.7/",
        "inbound" : true,
        "releasetime" : 0,
        "startingheight" : 34996,
        "banscore" : 0
    }
]

[TheLittleDuke]

here's mine:

THANKS will skim it shortly...

I added another daemon on one of our other seed nodes (the one in Germany)

Code:

    "blocks" : 56996,

If I babysit it and kill/restart it, it seems to chug along a little further each time

Once it throughs the Checkpoint error it stops trying -- its one of those "safe mode" errors that some wallets enter

-dvd

[TheLittleDuke]

here's mine:

Okay that's pretty funny -- two of your nodes are our seed nodes ;-)

I'll pick one on the standard port and see if it will accept the connect and not throttle down the block pull.

I've long thought that wallets SHOULD be able to use something like "rsync" to get a copy from a trusted source

OBVI that is easier said than done ;-)

-dvd

[skunk]

i can upload my blk0001.dat file (synced up to height 123419) on mega if it helps and if you trust...

[TheLittleDuke]

i can upload my blk0001.dat file (synced up to height 123419) on mega if it helps and if you trust...

yeah since I have no coins and I can watch it run in a sandbox, the downside is pretty low...

unless you or it asks me to "sudo" up to execute it :p

Currently one of our seed nodes is up to:

    "blocks" : 74496,

the debug shows waves of blocks coming in fits and spurts -- around 2/13/2015 atm...

I say let's see if it can sync on its own first -- give it a few more hours and then we can come back and visit doing a blk0001.dat sync if you don't mind?

Thanks for your interest, time and consideration!

-dvd