5 Things the Media Isn't Telling You About Ukraine

[Chef Ramsay]

The Intro and the Bottom Line is interesting to read also...http://www.internationalman.com/articles/five-facts-the-media-isnt-telling-you-about-ukraine

Fact #1: Yanukovych Was Legitimately Elected

Ousted Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych was elected in 2010 in an election that was deemed “transparent and honest” by hundreds of international election observers. That of course is not my personal endorsement of the man or of democracy (I am a fan of neither). In fact, I’m sympathetic to H.L. Mencken’s view that “Democracy, too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.” But that’s a story for another day.

Bottom line, regardless of whether one loves him or hates him, one cannot deny that Yanukovych was elected fair and square.

Fact #2: Billions Spent Stirring Up Trouble

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

In addition to overt US government programs from the US State Department, USAID, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, nominally nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) like Freedom House, George Soros’ Open Society Institute, and the National Endowment for Democracy have all been heavily involved in “promoting democracy” in Ukraine for many years.

Fact #3: Yanukovych’s Ouster Had No Basis in Law

When Yanukovych was overthrown in February, it was done in a fashion that didn’t really comply with Ukrainian law. In effect, what happened was an illegal overthrow of a legitimately elected government. There’s a word for this—coup. And I bet it would have been labeled as such by the US media had it happened to a pro-US leader instead of a pro-Russian leader.

So what was the real objective of all those sneaky NGOs and the billions of dollars in covert and overt aid if its ultimate effect was to overthrow a legitimately elected government? Sounds like the exact opposite of their stated goal of “promoting democracy,” if you ask me.

Fact #4: The Sniper Killings, a Known Unknown

The real push for the immediate overthrow of Yanukovych came after the mysterious deaths of 75 or so people in the streets of Kiev by unknown snipers in late February 2014. The protesters blamed the government. However, later a leaked phone call between the Estonian foreign minister and Catherine Ashton (the EU foreign policy chief) showed that both the police and protestors were shot by the same people, leading these two EU officials (who are very anti-Russian, by the way) to think that this incident was some sort of false flag provocation.

The Estonian foreign minister said, “So there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovych, but it was somebody from the new coalition.”

The fact is, to this day we really don’t know who was behind the sniper attacks. But this deep uncertainty didn’t prevent the incident from being used as a casus belli to remove the Yanukovych government.

Fact #5: Neo-Nazi Shock Troops

The two most prominent neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine are the Right Sector and Svoboda, which hold positions in the new government. While they aren’t the main political force, their power shouldn’t be underestimated. Just because the new Ukrainian government has a bunch of outwardly facing, pro-EU, empty-suit bureaucrats, that isn’t necessarily reflective of who has the real power on the streets. Right Sector and Svoboda were the real armed muscle on the ground—like the shock troops of the opposition—during the unrest that overthrew Yanukovych. Absent their help, it’s questionable whether the uprising would have succeeded.

[bitsmichel]

Fact #1: Yanukovych Was Legitimately Elected

There have not been any fair elections in the Ukraine- and they have never been about Ukraine. It's mainly about getting Ukraine's resources into Russia or EU/US, Ukraine's citizens are *** in either way.

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

The Ukranians have to pay around 16.5 billion IMF loan, if I'm not mistaken.  This is a profit of more than 50%.. it's business

[Nemo1024]

Good find, Chef Ramsay.

Regarding the elections and the general split, you might find this post informative:
http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/

And the whole conflict is about markets and natural resources - coal, shale gas under Slavjansk, Donetsk and Lugansk - and people not wanting to part with their land and their life.

Oh and another thing about which the media does not tell you the whole truth - the gas wars:
http://stanislavs.org/the-third-gas-war-eu-and-us-must-pay-for-their-successes-in-ukraine/

[DrG]

Fact #2: Billions Spent Stirring Up Trouble

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

In addition to overt US government programs from the US State Department, USAID, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, nominally nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) like Freedom House, George Soros’ Open Society Institute, and the National Endowment for Democracy have all been heavily involved in “promoting democracy” in Ukraine for many years.

I figure the US reaction might be the same wild reaction if the US found Russian spies living in the United States working for the SVR.

Oh come on, the same hands reaching into US pockets are reaching into soviet pockets.  Both hands belong to the same person.  Whether you want to believe it's illuminati or whatever they're called, the wealthy oligarchs are not far removed from either country.

[Chef Ramsay]

Fact #2: Billions Spent Stirring Up Trouble

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

In addition to overt US government programs from the US State Department, USAID, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, nominally nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) like Freedom House, George Soros’ Open Society Institute, and the National Endowment for Democracy have all been heavily involved in “promoting democracy” in Ukraine for many years.

I figure the US reaction might be the same wild reaction if the US found Russian spies living in the United States working for the SVR.

Oh come on, the same hands reaching into US pockets are reaching into soviet pockets.  Both hands belong to the same person.  Whether you want to believe it's illuminati or whatever they're called, the wealthy oligarchs are not far removed from either country.

I wasn't offering this post as an opinion piece but just something for those more enlightened than I to pick at and correct if needed. There did seem to be at least some semblance of effort to unmyth the media's lies and I wouldn't be surprised if your final statement is indeed the case.

[taylortyler]

The U.S. has become so brazen in their efforts to overthrow governments. Half of the campaigns aren't even covert anymore.

[DrG]

The U.S. has become so brazen in their efforts to overthrow governments. Half of the campaigns aren't even covert anymore.

So either the US is doing this more often than other countries or....

it's getting caught more often and isn't as sneaky as it thinks it is because it's sloppy.

I'm too low on the food chain to know the truth.

[Bitsaurus]

Well there's Joe Biden's son joining on Ukraine's oil board essentially so no, there's no hanky panky going on - not even a smidgeon

[Nik1ab]

Independent media (and RT) were telling me this all the time.

[bryant.coleman]

Yanukovych was legitimately elected, and even the EU observers vouch for that. On the other hand, the NATO puppet (Poroshenko) was elected through fraudulent means, in an election where all the opposition candidates were prevented from taking part (with the exception of Dobkin, who was not allowed to campaign freely). And less than one-third of the Eastern Ukrainians took part in these fake elections.

[Nemo1024]

Ukraine Gangster State Calls for 'Nuclear Strikes'
http://rt.com/shows/the-truthseeker/169176-ukraine-gangste-nuclear-strikes/

Here is a documentary to add to that list. It's only 11 minutes longs, but is a must-watch to see what happens behind the curtains.

[tee-rex]

Fact #1: Yanukovych Was Legitimately Elected

There have not been any fair elections in the Ukraine- and they have never been about Ukraine. It's mainly about getting Ukraine's resources into Russia or EU/US, Ukraine's citizens are *** in either way.

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

The Ukranians have to pay around 16.5 billion IMF loan, if I'm not mistaken.  This is a profit of more than 50%.. it's business

And they (Ukrainians) also have to pay Russia for its credit in the amount of 3 billion dollars (let alone gas debts), which the latter loaned to Ukraine in the form of eurobonds. Actually, they somehow even managed to pay an outstanding interest on these bonds recently.

[Mike Christ]

I don't get neo-nazism; this is doublespeak intended to hide the fact that National Socialism is alive and well.  You got your nationalism--devotion to one's own nation and/or culture--and you got your socialism--public owns the means of production, government has its hand in everything which (according to the definition anyway) represents the public.  That's pretty much every nation everywhere, with varying degrees of severity.

Anyway, here's one of many reasons why bitcoin is necessary:

Fact #2: Billions Spent Stirring Up Trouble

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

Considering the US gets a huge chunk of its money from inflating the national currency, this would be impossible without fiat.  I know some of us feel very inconvenienced by not being able to use cash, but when it's a decision between "I'm uncomfortable" vs. "I'm not paying for people to be murdered anymore," it becomes difficult to empathize with the former group.

[Ron~Popeil]

I don't get neo-nazism; this is doublespeak intended to hide the fact that National Socialism is alive and well.  You got your nationalism--devotion to one's own nation and/or culture--and you got your socialism--public owns the means of production, government has its hand in everything which (according to the definition anyway) represents the public.  That's pretty much every nation everywhere, with varying degrees of severity.

Anyway, here's one of many reasons why bitcoin is necessary:

Fact #2: Billions Spent Stirring Up Trouble

The US has spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. (What would the US reaction be if Russia spent $5 billion promoting communism in Mexico?)

Considering the US gets a huge chunk of its money from inflating the national currency, this would be impossible without fiat.  I know some of us feel very inconvenienced by not being able to use cash, but when it's a decision between "I'm uncomfortable" vs. "I'm not paying for people to be murdered anymore," it becomes difficult to empathize with the former group.

Yep, take away the ability to inflate currency and you can actually start to shrink the beast. This government is nothing like the one created in 1787.