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March 11, 2012, 12:19:48 AM
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And the we gets repeated over and over and over... http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

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The big difference between offline anonymous digital cash and offline identified digital cash is that the information accumulated with anonymous digital cash will only reveal the identity of the spender if the cash is double spent. If the anonymous digital cash is not double spent, the bank can not determine the identity of the original spender nor can it reconstruct the path the cash took through the economy.

With identified digital cash, both offline or online, the bank can always reconstruct the path the cash took through the economy. The bank will know what everyone bought, where they bought it, when they bought it, and how much they paid. And what the bank knows, the IRS knows.
http://ntrg.cs.tcd.ie/mepeirce/Project/Mlists/minifaq.html

Why would those who respect anonymity so much choose an identified digital cash system?

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March 11, 2012, 01:13:13 AM
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The big difference between offline anonymous digital cash and offline identified digital cash is that the information accumulated with anonymous digital cash will only reveal the identity of the spender if the cash is double spent. If the anonymous digital cash is not double spent, the bank can not determine the identity of the original spender nor can it reconstruct the path the cash took through the economy.

With identified digital cash, both offline or online, the bank can always reconstruct the path the cash took through the economy. The bank will know what everyone bought, where they bought it, when they bought it, and how much they paid. And what the bank knows, the IRS knows.
http://ntrg.cs.tcd.ie/mepeirce/Project/Mlists/minifaq.html

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By the way, did you declare that $20 bill your Grandmother gave you for your birthday? You didn't? Well, you wont have to worry about forgetting those sorts of things when everybody is using fully identified digital cash. As a matter of fact, you wont even have to worry about filing a tax return. The IRS will just send you a bill.

Why waste time sending a bill, when at this point just deduct what is owed?
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March 11, 2013, 03:37:08 AM
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I'm not sure why, or by whom, but I received an anonymous email instructing me to bump this thread.

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March 11, 2013, 04:55:11 AM
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I'm not sure why, or by whom, but I received an anonymous email instructing me to bump this thread.

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BS, you just like to bump your old threads once in a while...

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March 11, 2013, 04:57:24 AM
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I'm not sure why, or by whom, but I received an anonymous email instructing me to bump this thread.

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huh sure, sure! Tongue
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March 11, 2013, 05:35:20 AM
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use stylometry tools.

round up all of satoshi's forum posts and IRC logs.
use these tools to analyze his/their writing style against other books, whitepapers and whoever you think is satoshi: https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

jstylo researchers claim they were able to identify 80% of users with a 5,000-word writing sample

let the witch hunt begin
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March 11, 2013, 05:46:08 AM
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use stylometry tools.

round up all of satoshi's forum posts and IRC logs.
use these tools to analyze his/their writing style against other books, whitepapers and whoever you think is satoshi: https://psal.cs.drexel.edu/index.php/JStylo-Anonymouth

jstylo researchers claim they were able to identify 80% of users with a 5,000-word writing sample

let the witch hunt begin

What if Satoshi used that Anonymouth tool they have there? Tongue
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The JSAN package includes:

    JStylo v0.0.1 - Authorship recognition analysis tool.
    Anonymouth v0.0.2 - Authorship recognition evasion tool.
    The Extended-Brennan-Greenstadt Adversarial Stylometry Corpus (45 Authors, 6500 words per author minimum)
    The Brennan-Greenstadt Adversarial Stylometry Corpus (12 Authors, 5000 words per author minimum)

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March 11, 2013, 06:55:06 AM
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From Satoshi's white paper reference section #2:

H. Massias, X.S. Avila, and J.-J. Quisquater, "Design of a secure timestamping service with minimal
trust requirements," In 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux, May 1999.

This is an unusual Citation format. It's more common to cite the proceedings of the meeting (which are published after the meeting) rather than the meeting itself. To me this implies that Satoshi was at this meeting, most likely as a presenter or because the meeting was held nearby to his academic institution, and he kept his copy of the meeting program.  

There's no way there was a zillion people at this meeting. I suspect one could, with minimal difficulty, compile a short list of names of people who were at the symposium.  Satoshi's name would be on that list.

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March 11, 2013, 07:19:20 AM
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And the we gets repeated over and over and over... http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Lol...you're joking, right?  That's how you write in nerd speak. This absolutely in no way implies more than one person wrote it. There are many subtleties to true nerd culture...it takes one to know one indeed!

For remedial reading, see: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural



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March 11, 2013, 08:37:41 AM
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And the we gets repeated over and over and over... http://www.bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Lol...you're joking, right?  That's how you write in nerd speak. This absolutely in no way implies more than one person wrote it. There are many subtleties to true nerd culture...it takes one to know one indeed!

For remedial reading, see: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural

Was just telling Phinn what he wanted to hear lol

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March 11, 2013, 10:03:02 AM
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H. Massias, X.S. Avila, and J.-J. Quisquater, "Design of a secure timestamping service with minimal
trust requirements," In 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux, May 1999.

Anyone know how we can get a list of attendees for this meeting?
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March 11, 2013, 10:08:42 AM
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Satoshi told me that Bitcoin was roughly 2 years in the making before it was released. I am very skeptical he was at that meeting. Much more likely is that he simply copied the BibTEX citation code from here:

   http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.13.6228

As you can see, the "booktitle" attribute is simply the name of the meeting

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@INPROCEEDINGS{Massias99designof,
    author = {H. Massias and X. Serret Avila and J.-J. Quisquater},
    title = {Design Of A Secure Timestamping Service With Minimal Trust Requirement},
    booktitle = {the 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux},
    year = {1999}
}

I think this sort of thing is a waste of time. He clearly wanted to be left alone. If one day he decides to rejoin the project, I'm sure he'll be willing to answer questions about his background.
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March 11, 2013, 10:16:52 AM
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Satoshi told me that Bitcoin was roughly 2 years in the making before it was released.

This is amazing, I couldn't imagine working on such a ground breaking, insane and awesome earth changing project and keeping quiet for 2 years. Everything I hear about Satoshi is kinda amazing.

I think this sort of thing is a waste of time. He clearly wanted to be left alone. If one day he decides to rejoin the project, I'm sure he'll be willing to answer questions about his background.

This is true, you must understand however that many people are amazed at this person and are going to be naturally very curious. Eventually Bitcoin or a system based on Bitcoin will be world wide and used everywhere, and it all came from this mysterious person. People are always going to want to uncover this guy/girl.

Although I respect the fact that they want to be left alone.

One more thing, he/her said they wanted to work on something else, this is kinda interesting because what else could they be working on that is more important than Bitcoin?
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March 11, 2013, 10:22:09 AM
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Satoshi told me that Bitcoin was roughly 2 years in the making before it was released.

This is amazing, I couldn't imagine working on such a ground breaking, insane and awesome earth changing project and keeping quiet for 2 years. Everything I hear about Satoshi is kinda amazing.

I think this sort of thing is a waste of time. He clearly wanted to be left alone. If one day he decides to rejoin the project, I'm sure he'll be willing to answer questions about his background.

This is true, you must understand however that many people are amazed at this person and are going to be naturally very curious. Eventually Bitcoin or a system based on Bitcoin will be world wide and used everywhere, and it all came from this mysterious person. People are always going to want to uncover this guy/girl.

Although I respect the fact that they want to be left alone.

One more thing, he/her said they wanted to work on something else, this is kinda interesting because what else could they be working on that is more important than Bitcoin?

His house in the Bahamas, obviously.

It seemed like a good idea at the time.
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March 11, 2013, 01:07:15 PM
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I thought for a while that one could discover Satoshi's identify by doing text analysis on his posting style, but then I realized he was probably too smart for that. If Satoshi is still around and posting under a different name then that identity should have the complete opposite style.

I conclude, therefore, that MysteryMiner is Satoshi Nakamoto.
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March 11, 2013, 08:41:35 PM
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Satoshi told me that Bitcoin was roughly 2 years in the making before it was released. I am very skeptical he was at that meeting. Much more likely is that he simply copied the BibTEX citation code from here:

   http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.13.6228

As you can see, the "booktitle" attribute is simply the name of the meeting

Code:
@INPROCEEDINGS{Massias99designof,
    author = {H. Massias and X. Serret Avila and J.-J. Quisquater},
    title = {Design Of A Secure Timestamping Service With Minimal Trust Requirement},
    booktitle = {the 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux},
    year = {1999}
}

I think this sort of thing is a waste of time. He clearly wanted to be left alone. If one day he decides to rejoin the project, I'm sure he'll be willing to answer questions about his background.

That's interesting. That bibtex is incorrectly formatted to begin with. If that's the way it's publicly available, yeah I agree it's a waste of time. It's very odd to not see page numbers in the reference. That reference doesn't actually tell you where to find the abstract.

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March 11, 2013, 08:45:57 PM
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satoshi make me rich with bitcoin i thank him for this easy money just holding bitcion Grin
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March 11, 2013, 08:54:36 PM
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Satoshi told me that Bitcoin was roughly 2 years in the making before it was released. I am very skeptical he was at that meeting. Much more likely is that he simply copied the BibTEX citation code from here:

   http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.13.6228

As you can see, the "booktitle" attribute is simply the name of the meeting

Code:
@INPROCEEDINGS{Massias99designof,
    author = {H. Massias and X. Serret Avila and J.-J. Quisquater},
    title = {Design Of A Secure Timestamping Service With Minimal Trust Requirement},
    booktitle = {the 20th Symposium on Information Theory in the Benelux},
    year = {1999}
}

I think this sort of thing is a waste of time. He clearly wanted to be left alone. If one day he decides to rejoin the project, I'm sure he'll be willing to answer questions about his background.

That's interesting. That bibtex is incorrectly formatted to begin with. If that's the way it's publicly available, yeah I agree it's a waste of time. It's very odd to not see page numbers in the reference. That reference doesn't actually tell you where to find the abstract.

It's possible Satoshi did not have the page information at the time, if he only had the paper and not the whole proceedings available.

As you can see the paper as Massias published it does not contain that information.
http://www.uclouvain.be/crypto/services/download/publications.pdf.9ca0971b29e9c614.7064663131332e706466.pdf
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March 11, 2013, 09:02:10 PM
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From a marketing point of view, its a dream to have such a mystery about the dawn of bitcoin.

However, the unmasking of the developers could also be a part of the next stage  of marketing.  One of the magic of the big tech names is the people behind them.  Microsoft has Bill Gates, Apple had Steve Jobs and Facebook has whatshisname!
Linus was the face of Linux, and while he did very little of the day to day work once Linux became mainstream, he was the symbol who helped move the idea to that mainstream takeup!

While trying to sell Bitcoin to the masses, you need more than just a good idea and implementation - you need a great story.  The mystery start is a great story, but you do need a famous head to move it forward.

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