Does Kurd deserve their own country ?

[hologram]

 Iraq's Kurds push for independence referendum
Country moves step closer to breaking up as regional government's president calls for preparation for vote to begin.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/iraq-kurds-call-independence-referendum-201473125010428418.html

Any opinion ?

[Lethn]

They seem to be some of the only sane people I've found ( Unless of course someone digs up an old article of them acting crazy ) that willingly live alongside people and don't constantly try to fuck the people over, adding to that they have a standing army and their region is pretty stable, not to mention the fact they have women openly serving in their armed forces which is more than the U.S can fucking say.

So yeah, unless they've been committing genocide or something secretly in their own region It would be nice to see them get their own country, problem is though, the western and eastern powers will never allow it, they're fighting incredibly hard just to keep us from even voting on anything when it comes to the EU and Scotland.

[hologram]

Kurd are spread in 6 country in the middle east, i think they have no chance to get the complete Kurdistan, but they have a chance to get an independent Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria. Do not forget that Turkey and Israel have interest to see an independent Kurdistan.

[TaunSew]

There's women serving in Iran's armed forces.  Where do you think the Kurds' cultural values come from?  Women were serving as common soldiers and officers in the past Persian Empires.  Women had more rights in the past Persian Empires than in ancient Greece or Rome.


Debate contemporary nationalism all you want, that's not the discussion here, but anthropologically and historically the Kurds are an Iranic people.  Iran is already the union of Iranic speaking peoples.  The reality, which is why the Kurds have been suppressed for so long, is that the Kurds (joining Iran or having their own 'Kurdistan') would become a proxy to Iran.

I don't think the Arabs or Turks are interested in weakening their own countries by letting Kurdistan go, and in turn making Iran stronger or Iran having a strong proxy.

[jaberwock]

I think the Kurds deserve their own country. I believe they are the most moderate faction in the Middle East and I think they deserve it.

Those countries in the middle east are carved out based on imperialistic interest and not base on national Identity, it must be corrected. To prevent wars in the future.

[TaunSew]

I think the Kurds deserve their own country. I believe they are the most moderate faction in the Middle East and I think they deserve it.

Those countries in the middle east are carved out based on imperialistic interest and not base on national Identity, it must be corrected. To prevent wars in the future.

Tribal or regional identities =/= national identity.  If you were to used that argument in the Middle East or Africa then we can do the same in Britain, Germany or Russia.  Germany not long ago used to be divided, so let's break up that imperialistic state.   

[Sindelar1938]

Absolutely yes
Iraq is a colonial construct anyway with no real basis
It is time to redraw borders such that the aspirations of the people are met

[tinof]

Divide and conquer strategy.

Having many small nations in the middle east not capable of defending themselves by their own certainly work well for the current empire.

[CryptInvest]

Yes, let them roll to hell and live as they want. Just do not ask for humanitarian aid.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Divide and conquer strategy.

Having many small nations in the middle east not capable of defending themselves by their own certainly work well for the current empire.

True although considering that keeping it one unified country was such a mess in this case having smaller countries might help stabilize the region
Basically those three groups have not been able to get along as a country better to have them each have one besides the Kurds have the army to back their forces unlike the weaker Iraq part.

Personally the Kurds probably have the strongest roots to the Persian empire and deserve the chance to make their own country and nation and not third class citizens
http://www.voanews.com/content/kurdish-president-conditions-are-favorable-for-independence/1949439.html

“This is a natural right that must be achieved,” Barzani said, adding that he hopes to conduct a referendum within months. “ I believe now the conditions are also favorable for independence. … Once achieved, we will help our brethren in Iraq, within our capabilities, to help Iraq maybe surmount the current crisis.

Pretty much translated as we bail Iraq out they rather not betray us and remember they owe us one here for saving their sorry asses and for trying our best to live as one nation for years. ^_^.

Barzani said that for years, Kurds have been treated as “second- and third-class citizens. That is why, from now on, we will not accept such treatment," adding that this is another reason he is pushing for independence for the Kurdish people.

[hologram]

I hope Barzani is a political genius 

[Swordsoffreedom]

I hope Barzani is a political genius  

So do I they would need a person who can tactically strategize and balance the Kurds interests in a fairly unstable part of the world
Of course they would need to convince the Iranian's to break apart or move to autonomy as well.
As for the Shias they can handle them if they keep the army and border secure.

[Honeypot]

Kurds got shafted hard....they should have their country. So far at least from non arab or no turkic point of view, kurds are one of the more reasonable groups willing to work together with other people of the earth minus those that want them exterminated.

Remember, saladin was a kurd.

[hologram]

So do I they would need a person who can tactically strategize and balance the Kurds interests in a fairly unstable part of the world
Of course they would need to convince the Iranian's to break apart or move to autonomy as well.
As for the Shias they can handle them if they keep the army and border secure.

i think first they need to have reasonable objective, like independent Iraq Kurdistan.

[baebygoodnight]

As a Kurd, some of these comments are making me so happy. An independent Kurdistan is the dream of every Kurd, and I can not wait till the day I can finally hug my dad and tell him that he was a Peshmerga for a reason and that I am happy to see our dream come true. We can no longer be ignored, Kurdistan will become a reality.

[wenben]

If every race/culture/community trying to claim sovereign, we would have total chaos in the world right now.

 

[Lethn]

If every race/culture/community trying to claim sovereign, we would have total chaos in the world right now.

 

....... Don't we already have total chaos in the world right now? Propaganda seems to have you pretty well fooled.

http://www.warsintheworld.com/?page=static1329446051

[Swordsoffreedom]

So do I they would need a person who can tactically strategize and balance the Kurds interests in a fairly unstable part of the world
Of course they would need to convince the Iranian's to break apart or move to autonomy as well.
As for the Shias they can handle them if they keep the army and border secure.

i think first they need to have reasonable objective, like independent Iraq Kurdistan.

It's a step by step basis first ask for independent autonomy from Iraq then move onto independent province/territory then leave the country and become an independent nation.

[Rigon]

I am not against any Kurds and their state but the timing is not good to demand Kurdish state..this will leave other Iraqi people demoralize while they are going through very heartbreaking and tragic time..Kurd must work for united Iraq...at least for Now...But kurds know they will not get anything later....

[sana8410]

Kurd are spread in 6 country in the middle east, i think they have no chance to get the complete Kurdistan, but they have a chance to get an independent Kurdistan in Iraq and Syria. Do not forget that Turkey and Israel have interest to see an independent Kurdistan.

Kurds will determine their future and they will definitely have their state. I wonder how the Arabs will be treated in Kurdistan? And I wonder what kind of agreements they make with Israel, Iran, Turkey, and Iraq?