[WTS] Mega Ultra Rare 1BTC Silver-Gold Round /w "The Golden Heart" error!

[Bobsurplus]

If you can prove to me that heart is not like a marker or something, and its actually engraved or embossed onto the coin Ill bid 7 BTC

I'll think about it. I value the coin more than that. If we do make the trade, I'll go ahead and send it to you first, and if you conclude it's legit, send me the BTC, if not, send it back.

It is legit, is it not? You said you were the original buyer of the coin. So either you put it there or you did not.

If it can be proven to be legit then I'll up my bid to 7.1BTC

Shalom Charlie.

[justbtcme]

Only Mike Cladwell himself can confirm this.

My guess on how it got there:

1. original owner wanted to play a prank
2. a helper for Mike Cladwell slipped this heart picture through Mike's watchful eyes.

The second option is highly unlikely in my opinion.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Only Mike Cladwell himself can confirm this.

My guess on how it got there:

1. original owner wanted to play a prank
2. a helper for Mike Cladwell slipped this heart picture through Mike's watchful eyes.

The second option is highly unlikely in my opinion.

Ive sent this over to Mike for confirmation.

[bitmarket.io]

If you can prove to me that heart is not like a marker or something, and its actually engraved or embossed onto the coin Ill bid 7 BTC

I'll think about it. I value the coin more than that. If we do make the trade, I'll go ahead and send it to you first, and if you conclude it's legit, send me the BTC, if not, send it back.

It is legit, is it not? You said you were the original buyer of the coin. So either you put it there or you did not.

If it can be proven to be legit then I'll up my bid to 7.1BTC

Shalom Charlie.

I can understand the skepticism but now it's getting annoying.  I'm not trolling/pranking anyone.  And I don't like some of you discrediting my listing and devaluing my coin.

What you see pictured is what I received. After close examination I can say with conviction it's an error that occurred during the gold plating process.  It's electro plated and matches the tone and color of the BTC.  I would need to go to extreme lengths to fake something like this. The speck just happens to be heart shaped. I didn't notice it at first until placed my coins inside air-tights and went WTF?! When you purchase a roll they don't come in air-tights. Instead you receive them in some elongated pill shaped enclosure with 20 slots which splits open like a BBQ smoker.


I emailed Mike and asked him if there is something he can do to help me put your mind at ease. Perhaps I can send it off to him and he can examine it and sign off.  Anyway I will have some very high res shots soon.  Be patient. Don't be negative.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

OK, the following is a conversation I just had with Mike tonight. Im not sure what my personal take-away is, but take from it what you will.

Cheers..

All images: http://imgur.com/hTo2Z23,eprAEOe,Q9S8wGT,E5FEBWM,24sgrJP#4

[justbtcme]

"someone could have electroplated it himself and it would look the same..."


Even Mike Cladwell cannot confirm or deny this as plausible. Would this not set a precedent where people can just electroplate some gold into these coins and claim it is legit? I am not saying OP would do that. I'm just saying if a heart shape can appear on these coins directly from the mint and the creator cannot confirm or deny it, what is stopping people from etching something on these coins and claim whatever?

Does anyone have a coin that has the "drops" as Mike stated?

[Blazed]

Better charge that phone ASAP! I trust Bitmarket and he wouldn't fake this sorta thing..he showed me this coin several months back.  I offered to buy it for 1.5BTC on the condition that I peel it when I get it...

[justbtcme]

Heres a thought.

Since it seems unlikely that one "drop" will make that heart and that two drops, as suggested by Casascius, seems a bit more plausible, would they not overlap each other under magnification?

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

"someone could have electroplated it himself and it would look the same..."


Even Mike Cladwell cannot confirm or deny this as plausible. Would this not set a precedent where people can just electroplate some gold into these coins and claim it is legit? I am not saying OP would do that. I'm just saying if a heart shape can appear on these coins directly from the mint and the creator cannot confirm or deny it, what is stopping people from etching something on these coins and claim whatever?

Does anyone have a coin that has the "drops" as Mike stated?

Yes I thought about this as well.

You are playing devils advocate and I agree with your point. Although someone would have to go through ALOT of trouble to do this. Especially getting almost identical coloring and layering.

If this were anyone else, I'd tend to agree with you, however I know bitmarket.io and he has an extensive collection, I doubt he'd want to ruin his repuation and jepordize future sales.

I think higher resolution photos will give us a better answer.

Heres a thought.

Since it seems unlikely that one "drop" will make that heart and that two drops, as suggested by Casascius, seems a bit more plausible, would they not overlap each other under magnification?

VERY interesting thought. Looking forward to higher resolution photos, hopefully from different perspectives.

Better charge that phone ASAP! I trust Bitmarket and he wouldn't fake this sorta thing..he showed me this coin several months back.  I offered to buy it for 1.5BTC on the condition that I peel it when I get it...

lol I know, its on the charger now. I agree the same about Bitmarket.io, I dont think he would fake this.

[bitmarket.io]

@Charlie Thanks for posting.  I'm in a tough spot proving this.  Just think, how would you go about it if you were in my position?  I'm more interested in having some proof for myself, not for the sale.

@justbtcme Honestly I am not desperate for money to go through the trouble of faking this and risking my reputation. I'm well off and working on a quality bit-project centered around trust.  My info is public domain.  Not to mention I would only have one shot at faking this correctly or ruin the coin.

@blazedout thx for the support, but you'll never get it that cheap!

super high res pics are on the way!

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

@Charlie Thanks for posting.  I'm in a tough spot proving this.  Just think, how would you go about it if you were in my position?  I'm more interested in having some proof for myself, not for the sale.

super high res pics are on the way!

I would be doing the same thing, peer review is the only way.

Whats interesting is that Mike did say that other coins have had gold dots end up on other parts of the coins sometimes.

The heart is very oddly shaped, its quite possible like justbtcme said that its two dots, a better side perspective and better colored picture will tell us this.

None the less, this is a rarity.

[OgNasty]

For the record, I wasn't implying that bitmarket.io was trying to pull a scam.  I was simply stating that it is very possible to add this after the fact and perhaps not as difficult as you might think.  Since that is the case, without Mike saying, "Oh ya, I remember seeing one of those and thinking it was odd." or something along those lines, it cannot be proven.  

I believe it is probably genuine, but this sort of speculation isn't my cup of tea.

[justbtcme]

For the record, I wasn't implying that bitmarket.io was trying to pull a scam.  I was simply stating that it is very possible to add this after the fact and perhaps not as difficult as you might think.  Since that is the case, without Mike saying, "Oh ya, I remember seeing one of those and thinking it was odd." or something along those lines, it cannot be proven.  

I believe it is probably genuine, but this sort of speculation isn't my cup of tea.

Completely agree. It is just too much money to not know for sure. Imagine if it was sold at 7 BTC and then the price of BTC goes to 10k a coin. How would the next guy pitch the sell? This is an extremely difficult situation for buyer and seller as I can imagine.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

For the record, I wasn't implying that bitmarket.io was trying to pull a scam.  I was simply stating that it is very possible to add this after the fact and perhaps not as difficult as you might think.  Since that is the case, without Mike saying, "Oh ya, I remember seeing one of those and thinking it was odd." or something along those lines, it cannot be proven.  

I believe it is probably genuine, but this sort of speculation isn't my cup of tea.

Completely agree. It is just too much money to not know for sure. Imagine if it was sold at 7 BTC and then the price of BTC goes to 10k a coin. How would the next guy pitch the sell? This is an extremely difficult situation for buyer and seller as I can imagine.

Ya, I think Im in this camp as well.

Although this is VERY cool, I couldn't justify paying a high price for this.

[justbtcme]

I find it very interesting that out of all the possible shapes two drops can make, a perfect looking heart came out. 

[wheresmycoin]

important thing is, is this heart etched right in or will it come off easy like a loose chunk.

[justbtcme]

Why don't you just send it in to ANACS and see if they put the "Gold Heart Error" on it after doing, I'm sure, very rigorous research on such coin?

Once this occur, would be very indicative of authenticity in my very humble opinion.

[bitmarket.io]

I find it very interesting that out of all the possible shapes two drops can make, a perfect looking heart came out.  

I don't find it interesting. I find it incredibly fascinating and delightfully charming. If there's a keeper, this is it.

Also, wouldn't the pursuit of perfection be exponentially troublesome to attain?  Lets cut the bullshit, I'll offer a $2K bounty to anyone that can fake a defect like mine.  I'll put my money where my mouth is.  I'm curious to hear and see how difficult the process is, and if the colors and shape matches.  You can do it on a redeemed coin, and those don't come cheap either. You'll only have one shot to get it right. You'll quickly realize how much effort and risk is involved. Good luck.  


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On another note I had no idea some liquid was involved in the gold plating process.  But it does explain why the heart looks like a watermark.  By that I mean the right side is a little darker and thicker.   Similar to a water spot where the stain is heavier in the region with more water and thinner where it tapers out. It's difficult to see this in the current photos, but when my new camera arrives it may reveal it.

[justbtcme]

I find it very interesting that out of all the possible shapes two drops can make, a perfect looking heart came out.  

Lets cut the bullshit....

I imagine myself in your shoes and I would have to ask myself the question - Would it not be best to have ANACS decide this? Surely they can tell if an error is justify.

If they indicate that the heart shape is a minting error, case closed.

[bitmarket.io]

I find it very interesting that out of all the possible shapes two drops can make, a perfect looking heart came out.  

Lets cut the bullshit....

I imagine myself in your shoes and I would have to ask myself the question - Would it better to have ANACS decide this?

If they indicate that the heart shape is a minting error, it would 100% prove everything.

I am planning on having all my coins sent in for grading.  Looking forward to that. I was waiting for blazedout419 to show me how to complete the forms.

But that won't prove anything. What justifies a defect such as this is the general consensus. Anyone out there with a similar defect will have an impossible time proving it unless mike directly confirms it for that particular coin.  Regardless of rank and status on this forum. My defect just happens to be shaped like a heart. Which makes it extremely special and desirable. And it's the real deal. If you think otherwise than get lost. This coin isn't for you. I don't have the time or inclination to deface my coins to artificially inflate their value. And if you think it's that easy and have the time and are willing to risk trashing your valuable coin then go ahead. I like to think most people are sane enough not to do such a thing.

Anyway the posted SMS messages make it clear that random specks of gold may have ended up on the face of some of these coins.  If you believe mine is one of those rare gems, post your bids. Previous bids are 7.1 and 7. But I value the coin more than that as I feel I hit the lottery with this gem. It truly is one of a kind.  Minimum bid for consideration is 10btc.  

I'll have some really neat macro shots in a few days.  I think you'll like them.  It'll be a spectacle! True marketing gold. The crown jewel of casascius error coins. And it ain't tarnished brass!