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July 08, 2014, 12:32:43 AM |
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Canada just passed the first-ever national law regulating Bitcoin.
I have been predicting for years that the US and Canada will not ban Bitcoin outright, but seek to regulate it and raise barriers of entry to new companies.
Regulation = control.
The main targets for regulation are exchanges, whereby governments can track inbound and outbound buy/sell orders to compile national databases of Bitcoin owners.
The Moriarty Bitcoin Network will NOT BE COMPLYING with any of Canada's new regulation!
Dr. Michael Moriarty
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July 08, 2014, 01:28:46 AM |
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Canada just passed the first-ever national law regulating Bitcoin.
I have been predicting for years that the US and Canada will not ban Bitcoin outright, but seek to regulate it and raise barriers of entry to new companies.
Regulation = control.
The main targets for regulation are exchanges, whereby governments can track inbound and outbound buy/sell orders to compile national databases of Bitcoin owners.
The Moriarty Bitcoin Network will NOT BE COMPLYING with any of Canada's new regulation!
Dr. Michael Moriarty
remember the 'money' jurisdiction of canada only applies to canadian dollar as that is their property. if you as a business uses canadian dollars as part of an exchange with customers then you have to conform to canadian financial law.. that has been the same for decades. so be careful in that respect.. if your a pure bitcoin to altcoin business or a bitcoin to products business then your not a money exchanger, your a retailer (warning of possible gambling/securities implications).
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July 08, 2014, 02:20:09 AM |
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is this news today??
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July 08, 2014, 02:26:11 AM |
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is this news today??
'money' laws have not changed.. but it seems that canada is now talking about 'property' which would cover bitcoins too.. im still reading the jargon and putting it into perspective.. as its spread out under many paragraphs and buzzwords.. if your canadian it might be worth you truly reading it if your opening a business exchanging bitcoins and dollars. and as my footer suggests to get proper advice and not blindly trust anyone (including me) as definitive /gospel advice to follow
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July 08, 2014, 03:14:03 AM |
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this means that people will go to the US to conduct any real commerce.
and how exactly is this changing anything?
-bm
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July 08, 2014, 03:22:02 AM |
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This was intentionally vague to create a chilling effect on the bit coin market. Seeing the way businesses have responded all ready it seems to have worked.
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July 08, 2014, 03:23:54 AM |
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is this news today??
No. Bill C-31, which was a couple weeks ago. The highlights: 1. Regulates Bitcoin as MSB – Bitcoin dealing, more specifically referred to as “dealing in virtual currencies” in Bill C-31, will be subject to the record keeping, verification procedures, suspicious transaction reporting and registration requirements under the PCMLTFA as a money services business. 2. Does not define “dealing in virtual currencies” - The phrase “dealing in virtual currencies” was left undefined and it is not known what the defined term will encompass in terms of business activities once defined by regulation. 3. Registration with FINTRAC - Bitcoin dealers will be required to register with FINTRAC and if successfully registered, to implement a complete anti-money laundering compliance regime. 4. Captures foreign Bitcoin companies targeting Canada – Bill C-31 is more sweeping than other Canadian laws because it extends to: (a) companies that have a place of business in Canada; and (b) companies that have a place of business outside Canada but who direct services at persons or entities in Canada. Coinbase, for example, will have to register with FINTRAC to continue to provide Bitcoin services in Canada. Having a place of business means physically located in Canada, or having an R&R in Canada. Bitcoin businesses in Canada, however, that provide services to persons or entities outside of Canada are exempt from Bill C-31 for those external services. 5. Prohibits banks from opening accounts for Bitcoin entities if unregistered - Under Bill C-31, banks will be prohibited from opening and maintaining correspondent banking relationships with Bitcoin dealers that are not registered with FINTRAC. This is an extremely important aspect of Bill C-31 and Bitcoin businesses should ensure they understand what a correspondent banking relationship is and how it can affect the provisions of banking services to them internationally.”
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July 08, 2014, 03:33:37 AM |
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is this news today??
No. Bill C-31, which was a couple weeks ago. The highlights: 1. Regulates Bitcoin as MSB – Bitcoin dealing, more specifically referred to as “dealing in virtual currencies” in Bill C-31, will be subject to the record keeping, verification procedures, suspicious transaction reporting and registration requirements under the PCMLTFA as a money services business. 2. Does not define “dealing in virtual currencies” - The phrase “dealing in virtual currencies” was left undefined and it is not known what the defined term will encompass in terms of business activities once defined by regulation. 3. Registration with FINTRAC - Bitcoin dealers will be required to register with FINTRAC and if successfully registered, to implement a complete anti-money laundering compliance regime. 4. Captures foreign Bitcoin companies targeting Canada – Bill C-31 is more sweeping than other Canadian laws because it extends to: (a) companies that have a place of business in Canada; and (b) companies that have a place of business outside Canada but who direct services at persons or entities in Canada. Coinbase, for example, will have to register with FINTRAC to continue to provide Bitcoin services in Canada. Having a place of business means physically located in Canada, or having an R&R in Canada. Bitcoin businesses in Canada, however, that provide services to persons or entities outside of Canada are exempt from Bill C-31 for those external services. 5. Prohibits banks from opening accounts for Bitcoin entities if unregistered - Under Bill C-31, banks will be prohibited from opening and maintaining correspondent banking relationships with Bitcoin dealers that are not registered with FINTRAC. This is an extremely important aspect of Bill C-31 and Bitcoin businesses should ensure they understand what a correspondent banking relationship is and how it can affect the provisions of banking services to them internationally.” Judging by what you found, does this mean that only businesses have to register with FINTRAC, not individuals? I'm also amazed by your ability to find these things, I couldn't find these bits of info long after I read through it, and I still have yet to find something that even mentions Bitcoin. I appreciate you finding this info, though. It helps to clear some stuff up.
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July 08, 2014, 03:34:55 AM Last edit: July 08, 2014, 03:45:35 AM by franky1 |
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is this news today??
No. Bill C-31, which was a couple weeks ago. The highlights: 1. Regulates Bitcoin as MSB – Bitcoin dealing, more specifically referred to as “dealing in virtual currencies” in Bill C-31, will be subject to the record keeping, verification procedures, suspicious transaction reporting and registration requirements under the PCMLTFA as a money services business. 2. Does not define “dealing in virtual currencies” - The phrase “dealing in virtual currencies” was left undefined and it is not known what the defined term will encompass in terms of business activities once defined by regulation. 3. Registration with FINTRAC - Bitcoin dealers will be required to register with FINTRAC and if successfully registered, to implement a complete anti-money laundering compliance regime. 4. Captures foreign Bitcoin companies targeting Canada – Bill C-31 is more sweeping than other Canadian laws because it extends to: (a) companies that have a place of business in Canada; and (b) companies that have a place of business outside Canada but who direct services at persons or entities in Canada. Coinbase, for example, will have to register with FINTRAC to continue to provide Bitcoin services in Canada. Having a place of business means physically located in Canada, or having an R&R in Canada. Bitcoin businesses in Canada, however, that provide services to persons or entities outside of Canada are exempt from Bill C-31 for those external services. 5. Prohibits banks from opening accounts for Bitcoin entities if unregistered - Under Bill C-31, banks will be prohibited from opening and maintaining correspondent banking relationships with Bitcoin dealers that are not registered with FINTRAC. This is an extremely important aspect of Bill C-31 and Bitcoin businesses should ensure they understand what a correspondent banking relationship is and how it can affect the provisions of banking services to them internationally.” thats duhaime's summerised description (interpretation) try read the actual C-31. duhaime's summaryproceeds of crime ammendmants bill c-31use of the words bitcoin and "property" in regards to the laundering and terrorist stuff.. for instance if you just go by duhaime's summary.. simply switch to litecoins... but the C-31 goes into more details using the word property, as oppose to 'money' or bitcoins. which is sly of them
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July 08, 2014, 03:38:28 AM |
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is this news today??
No. Bill C-31, which was a couple weeks ago. The highlights: 1. Regulates Bitcoin as MSB – Bitcoin dealing, more specifically referred to as “dealing in virtual currencies” in Bill C-31, will be subject to the record keeping, verification procedures, suspicious transaction reporting and registration requirements under the PCMLTFA as a money services business. 2. Does not define “dealing in virtual currencies” - The phrase “dealing in virtual currencies” was left undefined and it is not known what the defined term will encompass in terms of business activities once defined by regulation. 3. Registration with FINTRAC - Bitcoin dealers will be required to register with FINTRAC and if successfully registered, to implement a complete anti-money laundering compliance regime. 4. Captures foreign Bitcoin companies targeting Canada – Bill C-31 is more sweeping than other Canadian laws because it extends to: (a) companies that have a place of business in Canada; and (b) companies that have a place of business outside Canada but who direct services at persons or entities in Canada. Coinbase, for example, will have to register with FINTRAC to continue to provide Bitcoin services in Canada. Having a place of business means physically located in Canada, or having an R&R in Canada. Bitcoin businesses in Canada, however, that provide services to persons or entities outside of Canada are exempt from Bill C-31 for those external services. 5. Prohibits banks from opening accounts for Bitcoin entities if unregistered - Under Bill C-31, banks will be prohibited from opening and maintaining correspondent banking relationships with Bitcoin dealers that are not registered with FINTRAC. This is an extremely important aspect of Bill C-31 and Bitcoin businesses should ensure they understand what a correspondent banking relationship is and how it can affect the provisions of banking services to them internationally.” thats duhaime's summerised description (interpretation) try read the actual C-31. use of the words bitcoin and "property" in regards to the laundering and terrorist stuff.. for instance if you just go by duhaime's summary.. simply switch to litecoins... but the C-31 goes into more details using the word property, as oppose to 'money' or bitcoins. which is sly of them It's a law firm: http://www.duhaimelaw.com/2014/06/22/canada-implements-worlds-first-national-bitcoin-law/Are you a lawyer?
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July 08, 2014, 03:51:47 AM |
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im only pointing out that duhaime specifically mentions bitcoins.. but not litecoins, myriadcoins or jungle-gymcoins.. meaning if you simply followed duhaimes version you would think you could get away with changing to an altcoin.. but read the actual act itself which mentions "property", meaning it includes much more things.. including any other assets such as cars, art bitcoins, altcoins etc rather then just "bitcoin" or just "money". protect yourself and know the law in full if doing business. it can cost you lot later on if you dont know it properly and understand it.
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July 08, 2014, 04:19:36 AM |
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im only pointing out that duhaime specifically mentions bitcoins.. but not litecoins, myriadcoins or jungle-gymcoins.. meaning if you simply followed duhaimes version you would think you could get away with changing to an altcoin.. but read the actual act itself which mentions "property", meaning it includes much more things.. including any other assets such as cars, art bitcoins, altcoins etc rather then just "bitcoin" or just "money". protect yourself and know the law in full if doing business. it can cost you lot later on if you dont know it properly and understand it. I get your point. I'm Canadian and not a lawyer. Often with these bills you have to be a lawyer to interpret the fine print.
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July 08, 2014, 04:40:49 AM |
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I get your point.
I'm Canadian and not a lawyer. Often with these bills you have to be a lawyer to interpret the fine print.
emphasis on interpret. as i shown one of the quotes was duhaime's INTERPRETATION. but always realise a judge or government could have a different interpretation. so its best to go straight to source, so read the c-31 proper document if your starting a business...
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July 08, 2014, 08:33:28 AM |
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regulation will come to all countries one way or another. US is pretty strict so i doubt we will see anything more strict.
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July 08, 2014, 10:59:03 AM |
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Apparently it won't continue to be a perfect place for ATM's as it was before, considering what happened to the formerly big Canadian exchange that was "hacked" these "Regulation" things would keep on happening.
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July 08, 2014, 08:11:32 PM |
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July 08, 2014, 08:16:47 PM |
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What does this new national law state? It doesn't say in the OP ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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July 08, 2014, 10:37:12 PM |
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How can the government trace your btc transfers while you staying anonymous? if its still the way the regulation is just for a business owners that will have to declare their incomes.. no?
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July 08, 2014, 10:37:43 PM |
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Just dice shut down because of this law?
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July 08, 2014, 10:43:09 PM |
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Canada just passed the first-ever national law regulating Bitcoin.
I have been predicting for years that the US and Canada will not ban Bitcoin outright, but seek to regulate it and raise barriers of entry to new companies.
Regulation = control.
The main targets for regulation are exchanges, whereby governments can track inbound and outbound buy/sell orders to compile national databases of Bitcoin owners.
The Moriarty Bitcoin Network will NOT BE COMPLYING with any of Canada's new regulation!
Dr. Michael Moriarty
Regulation = Legimitation = Success = to daaA MooOON!
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