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July 08, 2014, 10:15:34 AM
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"The European Banking Authority (EBA) has weighed in on the use of virtual currency, and recommends that Bitcoin be avoided until regulatory systems are put into place.

A document prepared by the EBA for address to the European Commission and European Parliament sets out the regulatory body's opinion (.PDF) on virtual currency — such as Bitcoin, Litecoin and Peercoin — and warns financial institutions to keep their distance until the industry is regulated." -- Full story: http://www.zdnet.com/eba-investors-should-avoid-bitcoin-identifies-70-risks-7000031287/
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July 08, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
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From the original EBA report:

"A governance authority may, at first, appear incompatible with the conceptual origins of VCs as a decentralised scheme that does not require the involvement of a central bank or government. However, the mandatory creation of a scheme governance body does not imply that VC units have to be centrally issued. This function can remain decentralised and be run through, for example, a protocol and a transaction ledger." -- EBA Opinion on ‘virtual currencies’ pp. 40 -- http://www.eba.europa.eu/documents/10180/657547/EBA-Op-2014-08+Opinion+on+Virtual+Currencies.pdf

I agree with the EBA that an officially regulated virtual currency would be useful.
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July 08, 2014, 10:23:28 AM
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"The European Banking Authority (EBA) has weighed in on the use of virtual currency, and recommends that Bitcoin be avoided until regulatory systems are put into place.

A document prepared by the EBA for address to the European Commission and European Parliament sets out the regulatory body's opinion (.PDF) on virtual currency — such as Bitcoin, Litecoin and Peercoin — and warns financial institutions to keep their distance until the industry is regulated." -- Full story: http://www.zdnet.com/eba-investors-should-avoid-bitcoin-identifies-70-risks-7000031287/

There is obviously pros & cons of every system. But, what do u expect from a banking authority ? They'll always find the cons.

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July 08, 2014, 10:51:44 AM
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There is obviously pros & cons of every system. But, what do u expect from a banking authority ? They'll always find the cons.

They actually did list a few pros. Not as many as the cons though  Grin:

"a
VC schemes can be created (and their functioning subsequently changed) by anyone, anonymously: Anyone can anonymously create a VC and can subsequently make changes to the VC protocol or other core components if the required majority of (anonymous) miners agree.
A02, A06, A08, A21, A25, B31, C05, C15,
b
Payer and payee are anonymous: Transmitters and recipients of VCs interact on a person-to-person basis but remain anonymous.
A01, A03, A05, A06, A21, B01, B02, B03, B05, C01, C02, C03, C04, C05, C11, C12, C13, C14, C15, C17, C18, D01, D02, D03, E22,
c
Global reach: the internet-based nature of VC schemes does not respect national and, therefore, jurisdictional boundaries
C01, C02, C03, C04, C05, C11, C13, C17,
d
Lack of probity: exchange is neither audited nor subject to governance and probity standards, and is subject to misappropriation, fraud and seizure
A01, B23, C04,
e
Not a legal person: market participants are not incorporated as entities that could be subjected to standards
A01, A02, C12, C17,
f
Opaque price formation: price formation on exchanges is not transparent and is not subject to reliable standards, and exchange rates differ significantly between exchanges, which facilitates manipulation of exchanges
A03, A41, A43, A44, A45, A46, B23, D02, D03
g
No refunds or payment guarantee: VC transactions are not reversible, so no refunds are issued for erroneous transactions
A05, A06, A08, A 21, A22, A24, A27, A28, A29, A 43, B04
h
Unclear regulation: the regulatory treatment is unclear and creates uncertainty for market participants
A04,A10, B01, D01, E02,11, E22
I
Lack of definitions and standards: the features of a product can be misrepresented because of a lack of definitions and standards
A06, A42,
j
Inadequate IT safety: the IT systems, infrastructure, transaction ledger, VC protocol and encryption are either insecure, subject to fraud and manipulation, and, in the case of the protocol, can be changed through a majority of minders
A07, A08, A11, A21, A22, A41, A42, B11, B12, B21, B31, C16, D01,
k
Information is neither objective nor equally distributed: limited availability of comprehensible, independent and objective information on VC activities. As a result, some market participants benefit from information inequality, e.g. on events that influence price formation
A09, A41, A42,B05, B06, D03
l
Insufficient funds or VC units: market participants have insufficient funds to meet financial obligations or to compensate creditors in the case of bankruptcy
A21, A28, A29, A30, B04, B12, D01, D02,
m
No separation of accounts: VC units temporarily held at an exchange are often not segregated from the exchange, i.e. held in client accounts
A27, A30,
n
No complaint process: no effective channel for users to complain
A06, A22, A42, B24, B33,
o
Lack of access to redress: no access to redress, compensation or protection schemes
A22, A28, A30, A42, A44,
p
Lack of corporate capacity and governance: lack of skills, expertise, systems , controls, organisational structure and governance exercised by market participants
A45, B04, B11, B12, B32, B33, E21
q
No reporting: lack of reporting requirements to any authority, e.g. of suspicious transactions
C01, C02, C03, C04, C11, C13, C14, C16
r
Interconnectedness to FC: VC units and FC funds can be exchanged easily, therefore creating spill-over effects or risks from VC to FC systems
D02, D03, D04, B05,
s
Not legal tender: merchants are not legally required to accept a particular (or any) VC and can switch between different VC schemes
A23
t
No stabilising authority: no authority that could provide exchange rate stability and/or act as the redeemer of last resort
A44, B22," -- pp. 38: http://www.eba.europa.eu/documents/10180/657547/EBA-Op-2014-08+Opinion+on+Virtual+Currencies.pdf
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July 08, 2014, 10:55:19 AM
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these all are things that post offices would have said about the internet in an equivalent way too back then  Grin

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July 08, 2014, 11:13:01 AM
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BREAKING! The Global Bitcoin Authority: "Investors should avoid banks! 700 risks identified!"

Hahaha too true! Such truth would be refreshing ey. Imagine they compare the risks or banks/fiat to btc/decentralised trade Cheesy

Now that would be nice Wink

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July 08, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
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From the original EBA report:

"A governance authority may, at first, appear incompatible with the conceptual origins of VCs as a decentralised scheme that does not require the involvement of a central bank or government. However, the mandatory creation of a scheme governance body does not imply that VC units have to be centrally issued. This function can remain decentralised and be run through, for example, a protocol and a transaction ledger." -- EBA Opinion on ‘virtual currencies’ pp. 40 -- http://www.eba.europa.eu/documents/10180/657547/EBA-Op-2014-08+Opinion+on+Virtual+Currencies.pdf

I agree with the EBA that an officially regulated virtual currency would be useful.

How are the 100% perfect regulation and transparency of money supply and transaction rules in bitcoin, as implemented since 2009, not official?

There has never been a currency as regulated as bitcoin. What exactly are you implying would be useful?   
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July 08, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
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How are the 100% perfect regulation and transparency of money supply and transaction rules in bitcoin, as implemented since 2009, not official?

There has never been a currency as regulated as bitcoin. What exactly are you implying would be useful?   

I meant regulated by an official legal authority. I would feel safer if I knew that the cryptocurrency was backed by a governance authority as EBA calls it.

From the EBA report:

"The entity would be called the ‘scheme governance authority’, which is a non-governmental entity that establishes and governs the rules for the use of a particular VC scheme.24 It is a legal person, and is responsible for maintaining the integrity of the central transaction ledger, the protocol, and any other core functional component of the scheme. The scheme governance authority would be required to comply with regulatory and supervisory requirements of various kinds to mitigate identified risks." -- pp. 39: http://www.eba.europa.eu/documents/10180/657547/EBA-Op-2014-08+Opinion+on+Virtual+Currencies.pdf
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July 08, 2014, 11:44:22 AM
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How are the 100% perfect regulation and transparency of money supply and transaction rules in bitcoin, as implemented since 2009, not official?

There has never been a currency as regulated as bitcoin. What exactly are you implying would be useful?   

I meant regulated by an official legal authority.


What aspect could a legal authority improve on?  Currently we know exactly when and how many newly issued coins there are, exactly what the money supply is, and the rules are strictly enforced by all parties in records auditable publicly forever.  How would this "official authority" you suggest improve on this strictest regulation scheme ever devised by man which is already in place? 

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July 08, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
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How are the 100% perfect regulation and transparency of money supply and transaction rules in bitcoin, as implemented since 2009, not official?

There has never been a currency as regulated as bitcoin. What exactly are you implying would be useful?   

I meant regulated by an official legal authority.


What aspect could a legal authority improve on?  Currently we know exactly when and how many newly issued coins there are, exactly what the money supply is, and the rules are strictly enforced by all parties in records auditable publicly forever.  How would this "official authority" you suggest improve on this strictest regulation scheme ever devised by man which is already in place? 



A cryptocurrency backed by a legal authority would be protected against governments messing with the currency. It's true that California has accepted Bitcoin, but for how long? What if some politicians in the future decide to make Bitcoin illegal?
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July 08, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
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They are really starting to get nervous  Grin

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July 08, 2014, 01:05:37 PM
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blah blah bah

european announce incoming

"investor warning: trading in bitcoins is risky, investors can lose aswell as gain"

.. and now to get on with my life..

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July 08, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
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Well, after seeing the debacle of the banks in Europe and their role in the massive crisis, we gotta thank them for releasing that note. Noone in their right mind, would follow their advises.
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July 08, 2014, 02:02:33 PM
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How are the 100% perfect regulation and transparency of money supply and transaction rules in bitcoin, as implemented since 2009, not official?

There has never been a currency as regulated as bitcoin. What exactly are you implying would be useful?   

I meant regulated by an official legal authority.


What aspect could a legal authority improve on?  Currently we know exactly when and how many newly issued coins there are, exactly what the money supply is, and the rules are strictly enforced by all parties in records auditable publicly forever.  How would this "official authority" you suggest improve on this strictest regulation scheme ever devised by man which is already in place? 



A cryptocurrency backed by a legal authority would be protected against governments messing with the currency. It's true that California has accepted Bitcoin, but for how long? What if some politicians in the future decide to make Bitcoin illegal?

Thanks for your reply.  
Well I don't think there is anything we can really do about that.  After all, you are welcome to declare illegal in your jurisdiction anything you like no matter what authority I claim to have.  However with bitcoin there is nothing really to declare illegal because we are dealing with an informatics primitive.  Every number is a private key.  Trying to prevent people from using this kind of communication is really like trying to prevent people from using any communication or using symbols to convey meaning.  Of course I shouldn't underestimate the insanity of those who feel they have the right to make laws...  if you have a way we could avoid that kind of problem I'd sure like to hear it Smiley  
  
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July 08, 2014, 02:22:57 PM
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"The European Banking Authority (EBA) has weighed in on the use of virtual currency, and recommends that Bitcoin be avoided until regulatory systems are put into place.

A document prepared by the EBA for address to the European Commission and European Parliament sets out the regulatory body's opinion (.PDF) on virtual currency — such as Bitcoin, Litecoin and Peercoin — and warns financial institutions to keep their distance until the industry is regulated." -- Full story: http://www.zdnet.com/eba-investors-should-avoid-bitcoin-identifies-70-risks-7000031287/

who gives a F%$* what the EBA says. They have no weight on the legality of bitcoin.
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July 08, 2014, 03:02:40 PM
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They are really starting to get nervous  Grin

every industry is nervous in this age with the way technology is changing the landscape

"here today gone tomorrow" is becoming a very prophetic statement

might be about time to start a thread showing showing how certain industries have been

affected by technological change

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July 08, 2014, 03:12:24 PM
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Well, after seeing the debacle of the banks in Europe and their role in the massive crisis, we gotta thank them for releasing that note. Noone in their right mind, would follow their advises.


hhahhahha yeah you right. we gonna trust the guys who invented "bank bail-ins" . their statement sounds like some kind of a scheme to me.
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July 08, 2014, 03:14:17 PM
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"The European Banking Authority (EBA) has weighed in on the use of virtual currency, and recommends that Bitcoin be avoided until regulatory systems are put into place.

A document prepared by the EBA for address to the European Commission and European Parliament sets out the regulatory body's opinion (.PDF) on virtual currency — such as Bitcoin, Litecoin and Peercoin — and warns financial institutions to keep their distance until the industry is regulated." -- Full story: http://www.zdnet.com/eba-investors-should-avoid-bitcoin-identifies-70-risks-7000031287/

Ah, screw the EBA and the EU.

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July 08, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
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The backstory here is that the EU is in serious trouble financially.  Especially the PIIGS countries, thus they are trying to find a legitimate way to sell VC regulation to the public and keep the economic hostages in place.

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July 08, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
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"The European Banking Authority (EBA) has weighed in on the use of virtual currency, and recommends that Bitcoin be avoided until regulatory systems are put into place.

A document prepared by the EBA for address to the European Commission and European Parliament sets out the regulatory body's opinion (.PDF) on virtual currency — such as Bitcoin, Litecoin and Peercoin — and warns financial institutions to keep their distance until the industry is regulated." -- Full story: http://www.zdnet.com/eba-investors-should-avoid-bitcoin-identifies-70-risks-7000031287/

who gives a F%$* what the EBA says. They have no weight on the legality of bitcoin.

The EBA may not have any legal authority to make laws but they can propose recommendations, such as:

"Until a comprehensive regulatory regime is developed, (if it is developed at all), only those risks can be mitigated that arise in the interaction between VC schemes and the regulated financial services sector (but not those that arise from activities within or between VC schemes). This would include risks of money laundering and financial crime, the risks to conventional payment systems, and some risks to individual users. To that end, the EBA recommends that national supervisory authorities discourage credit institutions, payment institutions, and e-money institutions from buying, holding or selling VCs, thereby ‘shielding’ regulated financial services from VCs." -- pp. 44: http://www.eba.europa.eu/documents/10180/657547/EBA-Op-2014-08+Opinion+on+Virtual+Currencies.pdf

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