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July 09, 2014, 05:17:41 PM |
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The vote has answered this. Call it off. Community has spoken.
as of right now, 20 people want a second audit, and 25 people don't want one. I don't think we can call it off yet. ARGpentem will you be helping out with the audit if it happens, we need the community, dev and marketing team is quite busy. Hi bro, why not ? |
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cryptocoin12
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July 09, 2014, 05:25:47 PM |
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The vote has answered this. Call it off. Community has spoken.
as of right now, 20 people want a second audit, and 25 people don't want one. I don't think we can call it off yet. ARGpentem will you be helping out with the audit if it happens, we need the community, dev and marketing team is quite busy. Hi bro, why not ? K OP, what's the plan? |
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July 09, 2014, 05:30:32 PM |
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What was final supposed to mean?
1. UP did an audit
2. A commitee did an audit
3. A public audit was done as well
*note* I got mine on the AE
This will harm NEM. Who started up this whole sockpuppet thing anyway.?
Isn't their many things that need to be done that we haven't done yet?
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cryptocoin12
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July 09, 2014, 05:34:04 PM |
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What was final supposed to mean?
1. UP did an audit
2. A commitee did an audit
3. A public audit was done as well
*note* I got mine on the AE
This will harm NEM. Who started up this whole sockpuppet thing anyway.?
Isn't their many things that need to be done that we haven't done yet?
FUD trolls...CfA, ARG, etc. Obvious troll is obvious, etc. |
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jkoil
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July 09, 2014, 05:39:09 PM |
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I think anyone that had puppets has already converted to Nemtokens on the Asset exchange or will pretty fast if a new audit is on the cards. It dosnt really matter if they sold or kept their tokens as they will redeem them for NEM simply be sending the token to the issuing address
Sounds good to me. Let them get out while NEM is cheap and let others come into the system instead. Right now we are not issuing assets (temporarily) because someone scammed us out of 6 stakes. A new audit has some pros and cons: + new sockpuppets may be found - <censored> - some may become angry like in the 1st audit ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.160 ) - extra work ... but maybe it is now cheaper than earlier  + <censored> --------------- = I think that if a new audit can be done in the similar, "discreet" spirit like the 1st one, then ... why not. |
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cryptocoin12
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July 09, 2014, 05:40:52 PM |
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I think anyone that had puppets has already converted to Nemtokens on the Asset exchange or will pretty fast if a new audit is on the cards. It dosnt really matter if they sold or kept their tokens as they will redeem them for NEM simply be sending the token to the issuing address
Sounds good to me. Let them get out while NEM is cheap and let others come into the system instead. Right now we are not issuing assets (temporarily) because someone scammed us out of 6 stakes. A new audit has some pros and cons: + new sockpuppets may be found - <censored> - some may become angry like in the 1st audit ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=496112.160 ) - extra work ... but maybe it is now cheaper than earlier + <censored> --------------- = I think that if a new audit can be done in the similar, "discreet" spirit like the 1st one, then ... why not. Great idea, ARGpentem there's your game plan right there. Let the NEM community know what you guys find the audit. In fact, do another audit after that one, just to be the safe side. Report back to this thread when you guys are finished! |
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July 09, 2014, 07:22:59 PM |
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Heh, the sock puppets came out to vote "no" in force in the last 10 hours.
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July 09, 2014, 07:38:03 PM |
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Heh, the sock puppets came out to vote "no" in force in the last 10 hours.
Why would sock puppets even care to vote now -- as at least 500 stakes have now moved to AE -- a decentralized system where developers can't stop anyone from selling them? Two, there is not enough data. Nem only has account activity / creation date and taint analysis for BTC only (not Nxt deposits). Thi isn't enough for any kind of audit. |
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jkoil
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July 09, 2014, 11:21:30 PM |
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can we just let this go please? its stirred up enough trouble as it is and will only lead to more which will do far more damage to nem than a few sock puppets slipping through. please just let it go. try and think of new ideas to promote nem instead of arguing over this.
The case is not so black & white... Basically nobody can prevent the audit as the audits have been public. Everyone, starting from John Smith from Albuquerque to Wu Hao from Lhasa, can do the audit by him/herself: the data is publicly available. The audit would have some benefits. And if the audit is accomplished with discreet, it could be quite harmless - with those censored benefits. |
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July 09, 2014, 11:55:50 PM |
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can we just let this go please? its stirred up enough trouble as it is and will only lead to more which will do far more damage to nem than a few sock puppets slipping through. please just let it go. try and think of new ideas to promote nem instead of arguing over this.
Agree^^^ All these people should work on ways to make NEM better. This is not one of them. This was already done. It's over, and the community has voted. Why do we put up a vote, then go against the community decision? |
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=186785Here is the link to my trust settings here on forum. This trust system is very unfair. I make good on every deal Ive ever made. I had many, many deals as you can see and I never scammed anyone. All it takes is a random account to give you negative trust and youre screwed. Tomatocage has never even talked to me ever but when the random acct hit me with negative trust, Tomatocage came right behind him and marked neg trust again so obviously he was the one who did it. You can look at Tomatocage trust and see how many of his compeditors at the currency exchange thread he labeled scammers. I never scammed anyone. My trust was green over 20 before this. I hope it never happens to you because the mods cant help you.
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July 10, 2014, 10:05:25 AM |
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can we just let this go please? its stirred up enough trouble as it is and will only lead to more which will do far more damage to nem than a few sock puppets slipping through. please just let it go. try and think of new ideas to promote nem instead of arguing over this.
Agree^^^ All these people should work on ways to make NEM better. This is not one of them. This was already done. It's over, and the community has voted. Why do we put up a vote, then go against the community decision? Agree with You, Chris001 |
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July 10, 2014, 04:10:37 PM
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Not very happy with what is going on in NEM these days. I bought my stake for 1600 dollars. It used to go up and down, which is natural. Since these new guys took over NEM, it went only down. I checked final stakeholder list, ARGpentem is not there. He is not original stakeholder, he is buying stakes from AE. He said that he lost 1 million dollars before, so I guess he is not poor guy. He is overly active when it comes to sockpuppets. He created this poll, even though there was no demand for it. He restricted it to "members", which disqualifies third of Nemsters. Almost 68% of nemsters that actively follows AND have atleast member ranking is against new auditing. This whole thing is very negative, it creates lot of uncertainity. It makes sense that NEM price is just falling and it is not just because of NXT. Dont let some whale manipulate you guys. Stop making investors unhappy. You are opening pandora box. Who and how will decide, who is and who is not sockpuppet? Some extroverted blabla guys? NEM was social contract between Utopianguy and investors, result of this contract was "final stakeholder list". Today NEM stake is 1000 dollars. How can you just take 1000 dollars from someone, what gives you right, to do so. Will there be vote on every case? I see just bad decisions. Also, why is logo of NEM tomoe and not cube, when cube was liked by community and tomoe is not. What is wrong with you people, why you go against will of community? I dont get it. I swear NEM is turning into Qora. EDIT: I dont blame core team, I understand they are busy with coding. Just felt like community departed from original legacy. Thank you Kod and Pat. I like the idea with technical approach at launch much more. |
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July 10, 2014, 04:23:46 PM |
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Code47 wrote what I feel about everything, even the cube part.
Why buy NEM if someone's going to take it from you? We don't need that uncertainty. We need assurance that the stakeholder list is final (barring some major abuse) and that any tokens we buy (1 or 100) will count as NEM at launch.
It's time we present confidence not uncertainty. As we speak NEM is 25K to 27K NxT which is normal range but arguably it should be 32K if people weren't subject to these scares.
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July 10, 2014, 05:19:32 PM |
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I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions. What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense. We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things. We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair. Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again. Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum |
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ARGpentem (OP)
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July 10, 2014, 05:41:49 PM |
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I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions. What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense. We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things. We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair. Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again. Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it. |
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July 10, 2014, 05:45:28 PM |
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I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions. What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense. We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things. We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair. Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again. Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it. I thought we were talking about the stakeholderlist are we not ? If you bought on the NXT AE then you are not on that list. Obviously we're not going to regulate the free market. |
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July 10, 2014, 05:47:22 PM |
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I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions. What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense. We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things. We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair. Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again. Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it. I thought we were talking about the stakeholderlist are we not ? If you bought on the NXT AE then you are not on that list. Obviously we're not going to regulate the free market. Okay. Thanks. |
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July 10, 2014, 05:47:41 PM |
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Well Pat - as I've said before, it's not clear to people whether there is a limit on the AE or not. I was under the impression that limit of two tokens was lifted a long time ago (since it represents trading which would had happened if NEM launched), but there's some vagueness on that subject.
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July 11, 2014, 01:42:14 PM |
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Well Pat - as I've said before, it's not clear to people whether there is a limit on the AE or not. I was under the impression that limit of two tokens was lifted a long time ago (since it represents trading which would had happened if NEM launched), but there's some vagueness on that subject.
Any clarification on this? I was considering buying more stakes |
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July 11, 2014, 01:49:37 PM |
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Well Pat - as I've said before, it's not clear to people whether there is a limit on the AE or not. I was under the impression that limit of two tokens was lifted a long time ago (since it represents trading which would had happened if NEM launched), but there's some vagueness on that subject.
for me it doesn't make sence to limit that now. how can you control that anyway. everyone can have multiple nxt accounts and multiple BTT accounts. as you probably wont look for sockpuppets in there, because he payed a lot for the stake already... and how is it, if you have already a free stake, that is not on the AE? can you buy 1 or 2 then? doesn't make sence ... |
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