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Author Topic: [Feature added] Color besides usernames for Ignored by % of established members.  (Read 25658 times)
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March 12, 2012, 04:01:32 AM
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The idea came from reading this thread : People paid by banking elite to troll this Forum? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68309.msg796704#msg796704
This is mostly a safety concern, the reputation of users is very important when dealing bitcoins with anonymous.

I've noticed that I now have many speculations threads with ~90% of people ignored.

I think the reason is there are many posters who only post to raise their post-count to give appearance having some reputation.
It wouldn't surprise me if some 1000-2000 posts accounts would end up being sold to the highest bidders.

SUBs such as Specu... and off-topic are very prone to non-sense postings.  I have no idea why off topic threads should be tolerated if off-topic post are not.

I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to develop the "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.

EDIT : similar thread found.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67702.0
Conslusion, : Theymos did not want to hurt feelings and cause drama.

My take is, whatever the outcome, we must at least end up with a way to filter the top of phony and disingenuous posters. If only moderators could have access to a counter and have a warning when a user trigger the 50 ignore threshold that would be a improvement.

The middle point could be, flagging someone as "suspicious" publicly when it cross the 0.1% top ignored threshold,   say there are 50000 users and the top 50 most ignored have ~200 ignore then, ... well they're definitely suspicious enough to be worried about.  I guess this safety measure would also scale well in time as the forum grows.

When I ignore someone, I genuinely do not want to hear about anything they have to say, Thus I think it's an accurate measure for debunking abusive post count hoarders.


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Result : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68329.msg796962#msg796962
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March 12, 2012, 04:38:09 AM
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The idea came from reading this thread : People paid by banking elite to troll this Forum? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68309.msg796704#msg796704

I've noticed that I now have many speculation thread with ~90% of people ignored.

I think there are many of big posters who only try to raise their post-count to give appearance having some reputation.

I wouldn't be surprised if some 2000-3000 post account would end up being sold to the highest bidders.

SUBs such as Specu... and off-topic are very prone to non-sense postings.  I have no idea why off topic threads should be tolerated if off-topic post are not.

I am committing to a 5BTC bounty to develop the "Ignored by # peoples" feature besides usernames.


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Agreed and witnessed.

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March 12, 2012, 04:43:18 AM
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Can you both be so sure you wouldn’t be at the top of the rankings list?
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March 12, 2012, 04:46:34 AM
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Can you both be so sure you wouldn’t be at the top of the rankings list?

Social experimentation is the most entertaining of exercises. Who cares if I'd be on the top of the list. It'd be useful and entertaining, and that's what I live for.

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March 12, 2012, 04:53:05 AM
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Can you both be so sure you wouldn’t be at the top of the rankings list?

Social experimentation is the most entertaining of exercises. Who cares if I'd be on the top of the list. It'd be useful and entertaining, and that's what I live for.

Based on your posts I’ve read, I actually believe you.

If being routinely banned hasn’t really tarnished everyone’s opinion of you already then I guess you’re Teflon to all incoming damage so it wouldn’t matter anyway. 
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March 12, 2012, 05:00:51 AM
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Implementation of that feature is unlikely while we use SMF. A lot of code would need to be added to prevent the count from being easily exploitable.

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March 12, 2012, 05:57:29 AM
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Seems like a simple SQL JOIN statement could handle it.

Yeah, you're right. If we just use SQL and bypass all of the SMF stuff then it's actually easy and pretty fast. (I was thinking it would be really slow, but all of the necessary data is in one table and MySQL handles lists-in-strings surprisingly well.)

I suppose it wouldn't be the worst kind of rating system (it's pretty resistant to abuse), but I still don't think it's a good idea. Any "global" reputation system like this encourages groupthink and discourages people from posting controversial ideas. As I mentioned in the other thread, it would also cause hurt feelings and drama.

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March 12, 2012, 06:07:18 AM
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.... Any "global" reputation system like this encourages groupthink and discourages people from posting controversial ideas. As I mentioned in the other thread, it would also cause hurt feelings and drama.

I have modified my OP to include this  
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flagging someone as "suspicious" publicly when it cross the 0.1% top ignored threshold,   say there are 50000 users and the top 50 most ignored have ~200 ignore then, ... well they're definitely suspicious enough to be worried about.  I guess this safety measure would also scale well in time as the forum grows.

I think there is a margin between being a rating system and this ; more like a safety feature.

Group think ? I would never ignore someone only because it hold controversial idea and I was against it,  I am am generally banning people because their reasoning is so flawed I deem it has no chance of improving in a reasonable time-frame.

And most likely I ban people who keep on posting opinions without any logical arguments with the intent of influencing others. (aka. planned groupthink)


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March 12, 2012, 07:45:24 AM
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OK, I added an indication of how ignored someone is (by very-established users) without revealing the exact count. We'll see how it goes. I might remove it later.

Is the highlighting a good way to indicate it?

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March 12, 2012, 07:49:12 AM
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Current rules are:
- 0.35% of very-established users ignore you: no public highlight, but a range on your posts that only you can see
- 0.5% of very-established users ignore you: light highlight
- 1% of very-established users ignore you: medium highlight
- 1.5% of very-established users ignore you: dark highlight

You're very established if:
- You have 100+ hours of online time
- You have 100+ posts
- You registered 30+ days ago

There are ~1414 very-established users right now.

The change only shows up in the default theme.

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March 12, 2012, 02:18:35 PM
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Current rules are:
- 0.5% of very-established users ignore you: light highlight
- 0.75% of very-established users ignore you: medium highlight
- 1% of very-established users ignore you: dark highlight

You're very established if:
- You have 100+ hours of online time
- You have 100+ posts
- You registered 30+ days ago

There are ~950 very-established users right now.

The change only shows up in the default theme.
I've switched to the default theme (from the bitcoin theme) and I find no difference yet. WHere's the highlight on?  Cheesy

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March 12, 2012, 02:46:19 PM
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On the ignore button, thats in the user name area to the left of the post.  You can see matthews is slightly highlighted?

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March 12, 2012, 02:53:33 PM
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On the ignore button, thats in the user name area to the left of the post.  You can see matthews is slightly highlighted?
Hm. Can we see if we're highlighted without creating a sock puppet account?

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March 12, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
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On the ignore button, thats in the user name area to the left of the post.  You can see matthews is slightly highlighted?
Yep, I can see that perfectly now. Thanks!

On the ignore button, thats in the user name area to the left of the post.  You can see matthews is slightly highlighted?
Hm. Can we see if we're highlighted without creating a sock puppet account?
I can tell you if you need to, though  Grin . You're not highlighted.

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March 12, 2012, 03:07:49 PM
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On the ignore button, thats in the user name area to the left of the post.  You can see matthews is slightly highlighted?

Aww I can't see! Sad

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March 12, 2012, 03:11:10 PM
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I'm a celebrity!

Can I increase the bounty to have a flashing broadway-lit boarder around mine?

I want people to feel special when they choose to ignore me.

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I'm a celebrity!

Can I increase the bounty to have a flashing broadway-lit boarder around mine?

I want people to feel special when they choose to ignore me.
Can we have one, if we're not ignored too?  Grin

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March 12, 2012, 03:14:57 PM
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March 12, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
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I'm a celebrity!

Can I increase the bounty to have a flashing broadway-lit boarder around mine?

I want people to feel special when they choose to ignore me.
It doesn't seem possible to see whether people ignored are highlighted or not -- doesn't appear to affect the "unignore" button.

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